In diplomatic "etiquette" who is the most senior here? Faroole or Sharif? Or are they on an equal footing until the federal stuff is agreed and ratified?

A Somali guy stopped me in the street and gave me a sad story about arrving from Somalia just this week, having two young sons with bullets still lodged in their bodies and losing both his parents (very recently) in the Somali capital. He then proceeded to ask me for two pounds to buy something to eat! I had no choice but to give them to him but (because I don't believe a word he says) I did say "two pounds will not pay for an operation to dislodge those bullets or bring the parents back but if they help you have a meal or DRINK, here you go. Though I feel you should have asked for more, shall I give you more?" .......the barb must have hit its mark, or, my friend is a philosopher that does not worry himself about "birds on trees". He said "maya, laba pound..laba pound" even when I pretended to search my pockets for more. Now I'm wondering if he were genuine.

^^ Hada dumarka wuu ka godbay and is now questioning our ability to "mutilate". Miyanaan ku odhan bahasho wali waa la karinayaa? Ila "wasladaha hilibka" la soo gaaray! :D

^^ Lama degdego, Jb. Intaan aan hada ku jirno waa biyo karaya uun. Basal iyo toon yar banu ku darnay, xawaashka la soo wada, khodrad iyo alaab kale baa lago darya, lakin marko "threadkan" bislaado anagaa uun iska cuni doona, A&T here is just the cook, others are helpers and flies. Now sit back and watch.

What does this woman look like by the way? I don't think I've seen a single picture of her.

^^ :D

JB, ninka ma ka muuqatay farxaad? Gacanta miyuu ku siday quraarad?

In the spirit of Somalnimo and Unity, let me join you all in rejoicing at the supposed seductive abilities of our women. If she be a "piece of meat", she's not just an SL piece of meat; she's a SOMALI piece of meat. Mise waad na ictiraafteen ya A&T? p.s. Is that what you were talking about?

^^ The "goalposts" are still where they were when we first started this conversation, it's you who is twisting so much you started to think they are moving. Khat being xaraam has nothing to do with the banning conversation.

Not another party where someone persuaded a bunch of Somali women to come out and celebrate something or other. Women are bloody mad.

N.O.R.F;765770 wrote: Baashi, saxib thats bad news. Illahay ha sahlo your relative. The ban won't criminalise anyone. People will criminalise themselves. It will become illegal and the Somalis will know that. Also, as it's not banned at the moment in the UK, khat would most probably become a Class C drug which carries a warning and a criminal record in most cases. On top of that waa xaaraan anyway (something Ngonge conveniently side stepped). Oo xaaraan hadoo yahay do we need the British government to tell us that? Bal look at your logic ninyaho! I told you why I think it's wrong to call for a ban without looking at all sides and options yaakhi. I personally have no problem with someone going down for 22 years for committing an offence (breaking the law and all that). However, I would not hurry to call for such a law without making sure that it would be beneficial in the long run. You know I am right so I don't know why are you trying to flog this dead horse, saaxib. Naga daa dee.

Gabbal, Yunis keeps saying that there is no sense in arguing with you yet he keeps coming back with more. He's trying to hold the moral high ground here but you're bombarding him with logical explosives from the air. p.s. Ignore Xiin & Baashe, these two always invite people to the party but forget to tell them that they'll keep the cake to themselves. Flush Yunis out, saaxib. Qabiil Is Everything.

Oh My Qat! Cawke is back.

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^^ There are no problems in countries where khat is illegal? PROVE IT (for I don't know and, I'd wager that you yourself don't). War macqool ku hadal dee. I am not for a ban until I know (FOR SURE) that a ban will be WORTH IT. WAx fahan. Abu Salman, I never knew you were this militant, saaxib. Still, if we follow your logic and oppose the "let live" liberalism, how are we to decide what is allowed and what isn't? AND, how do we know that most of the freedoms that we have (as an alien community) will not be banned or restricted because someone on the other side believes us to be a nuisance? Let live is a great idea and way of life. The rest is all "self regulation".

^^ Way degdegeen miya?

N.O.R.F;765348 wrote: ^The stubborness goes both ways here saxib Sayid, good suggestion. Increase the duty on khat to a level that makes it difficult to overly consume the stuff. Mijintu in labaatan gini wax ka yar lagu iibsadoba maaha. This will gradually go up as inflation goes up giving the chance for Ngonge's 'uknown' consequences to gradually peeter out. What's stubborn in asking you to slow down and ensure what you're asking for is right, saaxib? Casa an takraho shay'an wahowa khayron lakom miyaanad maqal? How about better the devil you know? There is nothing stubborn about what I'm arguing here. If you want to ban Khat because you feel it is the responsible thing to do then you also have to be responsible in the way you go about doing it (in other words, don't leave a stone unturned before deciding it's the best option). Sayid, like I told him is looking at a different argument. If that's what you're after, then we don't need any petitions. All you have to do is gather all the jilted wives, heartbroken mothers and angry fathers. Take them to Heathrow airport on everyday that Khat gets delivered and let them give the suppliers hell. Heck, you can even park outside the houses of the big khat importers and shame them into going into hiding or something. There are too many ways to do this and none of them would involve a demand for a ban and the criminalisation of thousands of people. Lakin ma cid fakarysa baa jirta, waa 'get one good idea on facebook' and run with it without thinking of any consequences or problems that might arise from your 'good' idea. War naga daaya..dacar fooqal dacar.

^^ Surely the 15th was the last day to cast your vote not the day of the results. War waxaago waa rubbish from start to finish. Naga daa dee. p.s. I know the Jinn master was going to win anyway..

xiinfaniin;765208 wrote: @Qandalaawi, I should point out that our NGONGE is noticeably absent in this discussion. The fact his fellow separatists are expressing anger at Amir's talent in depicting them puts the old man in awkward position Nothing awkard, saaxib. Amir makes fun of all. Should I explain again waht Amin does? As for Awdalland, that's even more laughable than the SSC thing (and the SSC thing actually has some legs, though broken). Still, Xiin, I think you finally found your level. Carry on your debates with our angry burahadeer.

Sayid*Somal;765334 wrote: ^Marka way kaa oohiyin uun? As for your next statement - that is not just something that is unique to Somalis - otherwise there would be no laws against 'conflict of interest'. As for the issue - I am in agreement with your sentiments - the only difference is I am willing to offer a counter solution rather than just arguing against the ban. So saxiib offer them something they can think about that might persuade them to look at alternatives to total ban. For example, I would suggest, that the Khat trade is regulated properly, starting with licence for traders/marfishes and reducing the imports to once a week and perhaps further reducing to twice a month thing etc etc. What do you think? I can't offer them anything when we do not agree with the first point, saaxib. Norf still thinks I am asking him to research the effects of Khat on people! Adigo you are coming from a different angle and talking about an entirely different thing. In that area, I can more than wax lyrical, saaxib. EE horta tan aan ku heshino. p.s. I know it is the same all over the world but the world does not concern me here, Somalis do.

^^ War even my "weeping" came after six pages of arguments and counter arguments. Norf, Abu Salman, El Punto (and others) weep on the spot. Naga daa dee. Seriously though, I find the general attitude furstrating and know that it is applied to every situation. Suffice it to say that if I were accused of any crime I would never want any of the guys above to sit in judgment. If they like me they'll acquit me and if they hate me they'll send me down.

SL should do what Eritrea does and demand that the diaspora pay a 2% Tax. Kulmiye missed a trick there. The rest is good stuff mixed with crazy wishes.

Abu-Salman;765177 wrote: Agreed ElPunto, the powdered form in Canada limits its appeal unlike in my area where you would think Mafrishs are opening in every other building, full of youngsters on fresh potent leaves. What those "studies" fail to mention is that khat is also a gateway for many other things, including heavy drinking, routinely used for "mirqan jabis" or against chewing hangover, to enable continuous chewing (many even alternate between those two plus cannabis etc). With many women now addicted, those khat or drinking places often double as underground brothels too accross Somali communities, TB epidemy incubators and so on and so forth... Xata |anta ya Abu Salman? I weep for Somalis. I truly do.

Faheema, remain aloof at all times. It's the only way.

^^ Salaan, sasab, so dhawyene, sambuus iyo sigaar ba wan ku siyaay; sun uun ha igu noqon.