^^^ so far all self explainotory. ibti- there three kinds of people in life: 1: those that strive and succeed in the struggle of life 2: those that just about survive the struggle of life 3: those that get left behind and lose the struggle of life. since you running at the moment - where do you fall in? EDIT, MS DD and Dhubad, May Allah accept you dids and reflect in our lives.

What does your avatar image represent? Why did you choose that particular image? Take me as an example; my avatar represents a serious looking, conscientious black male, who looks he is locked in a solemn contemplation, which I think resonates with my personality. Looking at other nomads avatars; the nomads whose avatar and their post and outburst resonate with each other is JB and his opposite GD whose avatar looks as if thought the guy worships Somalia. what does your avatar say about you?

:rolleyes: insert here a whistling gremlin.

:confused: :confused: :confused: from query re content in one's life to inspections of gender to ultimate debauchery what is going in here? :confused:

On the lack of passenger intervention - what this case highlights for me is the Ultimate Fuulaynimo in people today. i remember on route to somalia couple years ago, in the play we had drunken somali man and a airsteward (another somali man) had fight and everyone else were either laughing or were in state of shock and awe. i was seating on near the window and had two sister adjacent to me. as the scuffle and ruffle ensued and moved next to us, with airsteward winning the fight and pushing the drunken guy towards the sisters. they turned to me for help crying out "if you belief in Allah, please stop them". i was the only one to get up and stop them fighting by separating them and pushing the airsteward of the drunken guy and ensuring they didn't pursuit each any further. although the swearing continued after a while they no longer fought. i know the stories are not similar but until someone tries to stop the situations, we never know whether it would have worked or not. how many of you could say without hesitation you'll interfere to stop a fight? Subxanallah, what had overcome the man to do this?

^^^ Walaal i belief the following article negates you post above. Ethiopian and Somali Forces Withdrawn Under Agreement Published: April 26, 1988 LEAD: Ethiopian and Somali armies have completed a disengagement of forces along their border in accordance with the peace agreement signed by the two former enemies earlier this month, Ethiopia said today. Ethiopian and Somali armies have completed a disengagement of forces along their border in accordance with the peace agreement signed by the two former enemies earlier this month, Ethiopia said today. A Foreign Ministry statement said both countries had withdrawn troops to between six and nine miles from the frontier under the supervision of a joint military commission. The disengagement process is the first of several measures designed to restore confidence after more than a decade of hostility. The two countries went to war in a border area, the semi-arid ****** region of eastern Ethiopia. Under the peace agreement, signed in Somalia's capital of Mogadishu on April 3, the otld adversaries will restore diplomatic relations, exchange prisoners of war and refrain from hostile propaganda or acts of destabilization against each other. They will eventually open border talks. the link Do you concede your above stances now?

four plus forty delegates

^tell me about it !! from that group i think i only two who introduced themselves as such. all in all i have twenty people who are supposedly for definete at least for the preliminary meeting and probably would be less for me to take on to the actual programme. hope you are still coming and get CL to come with you, her last advice to you seem good and on that i hope to hear from you tomorrow on whether you are still coming and if any your other colleagues (especiall the guys) are coming with you.

I am looking out for this girl; Saamiya Yusuf Against the Odds: Samiya Yuusf Omar Samiya, 16, says she has been pressured to stop competing The BBC's Against the Odds series is following athletes heading to the Olympics despite huge obstacles. Mohamed Olad Hassan, in Mogadishu, met a young sprinter representing conflict-wracked Somalia. Somalia is a country ridden by more than 17 years of lawlessness and civil war. Its institutions and national infrastructure have been destroyed, including most sporting facilities. Somali athlete Samiya Yuusf Omar is just 16-years-old. She comes from a destitute family with no breadwinner. Militiamen in this Muslim country often prevent her from training, saying women should not take part in sport. But for her and her relatives, athletics offers the chance of a route out of poverty and away from the violence; of a better life and prospects for the future. Insults and warnings But recently, Samiya has been coming under pressure from friends and some of her relatives, asking her to stay out of local training. Samiya came last in her African championships heat The ill-disciplined militiamen intimidate her as she jogs on the streets of Mogadishu. There are insults, and warnings that her chosen path would affect her marriage. Samiya said: "Traditionally Somalis view the girls as corrupted if they join in with things like sports and music. "It's because they sometimes wear transparent clothes or shorts. Therefore I have been coming under pressure from all different sides." "Early in the morning... sometimes I come to a roadblock set up by either government troops along with Ethiopians or armed militia, who prevent me from going to the training," she added. Hopes for future When she can get through, Samiya practises on a track full of mortar craters at the Mogadishu Stadium, almost destroyed by the years of war. She lives nearby, in a shanty house, with her mother - a former national-level athlete, who brought her daughter up alone since Samiya's father died, "years ago". Somalia has been damaged by years of civil conflict and lawlessness Samiya says it is only her mother's constant encouragement that enables her to ignore the taunts and keep on training. When she was named as part of Somalia's Olympic team earlier this year, the honour kindled her hopes for the future. She never expected to be picked because she is so young, and because she is from a minority ethnic group. Now the fragile dream of an athletics career is within reach, but Samiya still has a long way to go. She ran the 100m at the African Athletics Championships in May, but came last in her first round heat. This Olympics will be about taking part, rather than chasing medals. "I don't care if I win right now," she said. "But I am happy to represent my country within this big event, running the 200-metre race "I think right now I'm sure I'm on my way to a bright future because I can run with many all the way down. "I don't think it makes a difference whether I win a good title in the coming Olympic Games or the next," she said, cracking into a smile. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your comments on this story: Samiya, All the power to you! Your story is an inspiration. You one gold medal winner in my eyes. Julie, Palmdale Ca Good Luck Samiya! You may only be 16 but you are an inspiration to so many young women as you train against such difficulties. Angela Mosimann, Sherbrooke,Canada That is part of life that most of we africans go through be it Education!but we survive because we are hardworking and we need to survive .For Samiya, that is absolutely perfect and very good and I know that she is going to provide the suprises and the delight.am not a Somali but i like Africa any one who represents Africa represents me. Samiya am your fun and i pray for you,you will make it! I hope this message finds you Eddy , Kampala, Uganda Thank you for this very touching, beautiful story. lynn , usa There seems to be no obstacle to stop you from succeeding, Samiya. I will be looking forward to seeing you compete and win, without a doubt. Best wishes from America! Gabriel Garcia, Eagle Pass, TX (USA) I commend Samiya (a 16 year old girl) for continuing to practice and train when the militia or others try to intimidate and shame her. It can not be easy. I wish her well. Ana maristany, Baton Rouge, LA, USA Samiya, what a brave girl you are! I cannot imagine what it'd be like to be in your shoes and the fact that you are so determined to represent your country despite the crisis shows the extent of your commitment...it's a truly noble gesture! You go girl & I'll be rooting for you come the Olympics Jennifer Mwangi, Embu, Kenya Achievement is only made possible by the efforts of you and only you . It is a good start for a young lady like you. I would like to take this opportunity to express my heart felt wishes to u in this Olympics and your future carrier. Melkamu Hunegnaw , Malaysia This is what the Olympics is really about. Nevermind all the over the top national self-promotion (it was the Nazis who started the whole 'olympic torch' relay thing), commercialism, kickbacks and corruption. It is the stories and experiences of inspirational young athletes like Samiya which are truly representative of the 'Olympic spirit'. Good luck Samiya! Sam, Hong Kong Just to have had the heart to train and compete and to ignore the cultural implications of being a Muslim girl competing in athletics, makes her already an Olympic winner - it is the heart of the Games. Congratulations to you Samiya and your family - your mother has obviously been a great role model in your difficult circumstances. Helen Allen, Wapiti USA Samiya's story is inspirational. For someone so young, fighting against such odds takes a special kind of person and an immense amount of courage. I hope she stays strong and focused. The Olympic experience will be fantastic for her. Best wishes. Alison Ifill, Port-of-Spain, Trinidad & Tobago. Samiya, i think you have prove all your critics wrong, so just hold your head up high and pursue your dream.As you said, you are running for experience but not for the medals, i will encourage you to also aim for the medal cos it will help you to work harder. more gress to your "elbows". perpetual annan-takyi, Accra,Ghana What do you think of Samiya's story. Do you have any questions for her in Beijing. Do you know anyone heading to the Olympics "Against the Odds"? Send us your comments using the forms below.

sorry about the misspelling and words missing in replies i am doing too many things at once. reminds me have you had any responses from your colleagues at uni yet?

jjust like somalia yes we are in a good strategic location, but can't seem to make use of it really. maybe you should come and help us out. few weeks when some of the somali communities were squabbling over 200k grant, one of the directors came to me and said "we need a woman here, this people don't represent the somali community that you always tell me about" i was jsut dumbfounded, what i can say to her.

but were surely and slowly getting there. i am looking forward to the inclusion from this year onwards community inclusion aspect in the OFSTED inspection of schools as i already have full in tray of queries and pleas for help from the schools in work with

in my neck of the woods, we have real problems within the Somali community, we have 12 organisations all doing the same thing in a 2 mile radius. likely they all come to me, but when i advice them is like they are saying "why do you do it for us, rather than us bother to get up and be counted" it really unbelievable. and the irony of we always have this politician coming to see about this or that, so far we had the prime minister, home office minister, education and mayor (former) many other minions, probably because we are only one stone throw away from the houses of parliament, and not because they were interested in improving our lives or listening (and if they listened nor heard) to our concerns. Furthermore I could have sworn the somali community members were only vying for the photo op

NGO at least we are busy with something tangible, where as you are busy just criticising us. Busy body i think is more befitting to you

MY Observation: 1. NGO (not the nongovernmental org) has his head in the sand. 2. Road runner (Ibti)= Comes and kicks his behind (makes comment/post article that is challenging). 3. NGo - takes head of the sand long enough to shout "hey why kick me?" i had my head in the sand. now i have to put back again!!! 4. Road Runner - every time i come by this road you say the same thing, keep your head out of the sand, next time i come by. 5. just a different day, same old ...... same old ......... take break and change the channel

Credit to you, i failed misreably on that, except with family members who do it just to shut me up.

indeed. an interesting read as always

^^^ you are misinformed on that 1988 "treaty" with Ethoipia brother, that one was about the cesation of hostilities (ie kicking out the rebels from each others territory), exchange of prisoners and biletral relations what you are refering to is another so called treaty with Kenya, where by M S Barre signed any claims to NFD.

^^Classic come back I'll need an umbrella (strong team), to mind the rain, while i struggle on afuufing the qiic. belief me it can get teary. everytime i meet somali parents, community groups and i tell them about the process of this so called democracy (the interest groups, lobbyist ect) and give them advice about what they could do on just the local level, like the councillers who are getting in on majority of 37 people ect. and they come back with "it is Xaram to veto" what do you think i feel? or even worse use the pretext "you know how we somalis are" - NO! I DON'T KNOW!! tell me? "we are single mothers and we can't leave the house to veto or we can't read and our man are wasting on khat etc etc" so you can understand i am not just worried about the rain Ibti.

^^^ Waraa Waa Walantahay, sida qurba joogtu dhahto "caadi ma ahid". Anigu waxaan aaminsanahay; Soomaalida ugu fican iney yihiin kuwa badiyaha ku soo koray, ama gabar ama wiil, ama nin iyo naag. badiyuhu ama wuu ku jebshaa ama wuu ku adkeeya. wixii kala waa marax

^^^ now that is funny!!! good luck with your sense of humour mate!!

By God you made me laugh!!! i feel you pain Ibti - like you, i have also been an active member of the Muslim community from the inception of FOSIS to involvements in WAMY and many other organisations and community associations and I feel you when you say, ‘it is trying even thinking about it’. However 30years is not too long and the work has already started, with people like you board, I am sure many muslims who feel the same will get involved, just make sure you don’t give up. Whilst individuals are important in changing the attitudes of others, don’t pay attention to negative individuals as negative remarks never amount to anything substantial. It is positive thinking, living and exemplary behaviour and outlook that wins over everything. Best example being that of our Prophet Mohammed (SCW). How many times have I gone over the issue of; lack of unity in Muslims, Somalis, Africans etc, but I soon realised, the best way I could help was not by feeling helpless in the face a mammoth task of uniting all these people under one common organisation or political ideology. Whilst I still work toward this, I now take small steps, by working with the next generations and feel content in that I am doing something as an individual and I am always willing to work with like minded people. I might not change the world, but I sure do hope to spark the one who will.

A&T: your apology is accepted! i presume you are 'qurba ku raag' especially Maraykanka for that are known for their "friendly fires" Bloody Oxymorons!! as the english would say. Ibti - have you had your coffe yet? i lookfoward to our discussion.

Ibti- Do you know this guy? or what he is talking about?

:mad: who are you refering to as unbelieving somali? on very serious note, be mindful of what you write next, walaal. Alxamdullilaah' I am 100% muslim, and hope to die as such. Now What are you on? and what had made you to make these allegations