^lool calm down dear. I'll PM you the details in a bit. You can go sat or sun or friday afternoons.

Only if you want to give up your sundays ( i know, i know it is your only day to lazy about) You might even enjoy it. The same people that hold my hand can hold yours too.

^^loool^ hopefully you'll get there. I am not holding anyone's hand but there are people holding mine. IT is only pointless if it is a case of the blind leading the blind. One cannot follow themselves in any shape or form as most times we are persuaded by what we desire ( hence following yourself is often referred to as following your desires) and the book is complimented by the Sunnah and the actions/ rullings four generations after the prophet (PBUH) and the iijitihad major scholars since then. p.s. no one can now if they are going hell or heaven or even if they die as a Muslim.

It is women only (which firstly includes non Muslim women (who are leveled with the states of non maxaram men) and as for Muslim women you can only show that which wash while doing wudu (your face/ hair/ hands and feet) so wearing a swimming costumes does not go down well.

Well yeah... i'm trying (alot of time it don't work) I would hope these people i follow and hold highly/ important will go to heaven to give me half a chance it is better than just giving up!is it not?

It depends on who your important people in life are. Mine inshallah won't go to hell. So I'll just let the band wagon pass sweety.

Loool^ looks like you are going to join the dirac swimming people. Don't make the mistake I did and wear shorts and a singlet. EVERY ONE Was Muslim and they were wearing dress/ skirts dirac, so wear one of these as not to look odd.

OHi you^ morning and no you cannot. I will NOT be held accountable for legitimizing your own life style. I already have enough sins as it is. Do your own research like me and if you are content with the findings then suit yourself otherwise get married. It will not be accepted (it was good enough for ibtisam) and it may become an innovation that people establish after my death which will surely lead me to hell. That was my understanding based on the evidence I saw. Now that we've cleared that up moving on

^She knew what she was getting into. In any case she'll come out, take them to court and get lost of money! lool I don't think ppl like jade represent the everyday white person.

Ducasany: Maybe you missed the start of my sentence. I said from the explanation of this hadith (then I paraphrased what I read) I was not practicing my incapable judgmental thinking on laws of marriage or rights of Islam. You have not disagreed with what I said, which is if you do not get married you do not get punished for it, assuming that you have not forbidden it or denied that it is an important part of Islam. This was not an iijtihad nor did I claim to be a mufti, and just to clarify I am not. You claimed: and it is compulsory and imperative to have an intention of getting married one day. In Islam I am sure that you are aware that if something is compulsory if you do not do that action you will get punished for it. I asked you for evidence and Mantra gave a hadith, I explained the background and extended explanation for the hadith as I recalled it. I don’t expect you to jump to conclusions and respond with negativity, but share what you know/ claimed. The evidence you have presented above is what I was already aware of, it just reiterate the importance of marriage and its purpose. I have yet to see the prove for your quote above statement. I understand that verses of the Noble Qur'an clearly show that in contrast to other religions like Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism where celibacy or monasticism is considered as a great virtue or means of salvation, Islam on the other hand considers marriage as one of the most virtuous. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) declared, "There is no monasticism in Islam." He further ordained, "Marriage is my sunna. Whosoever keeps away from it is not from me." I also understand that it is an act of ibadah, marriage is an act pleasing to Allah because it is in accordance with his commandments. However again it does not support your comment. In fact as I understand marriage is compulsory for a man who has: 1) the means to easily pay the mahr 2)and who support a wife and children, 3)and is healthy, 4)and fears that if does not marry, he may be tempted to commit fornication (zina). These are the conditions for marriage, if one of these conditions are missing it is no longer compulsory. And there are difference of opinion in this, for example; The Maliki school of though advocates that under certain conditions it is obligatory for a Muslim to marry even if he is not in a position to earn his living while some jurists suggest that if a man cannot procure a lawful livelihood, he must not marry because if he marries without any hope of getting lawful bread, he may commit theft, and in order to avoid one evil (his passions) he may become the victim of another (theft). This difference of opinion you do not account for. Further more, according to the Hanafi School of thought Marriage is forbidden to a man, if he does not possess the means to maintain his wife and children or if he suffers from an illness, serious enough to affect his wife and progeny. Further more it is makruh or disliked for a man who possesses no sexual desire at all or who has no love for children or who is sure to be slackened in his religious obligations as a result of marriage. Again your statement does not fit into this hence why i questioned you. As for the women, As I understand it is compulsory for a woman 1)who has no other means of maintaining herself 2)and who fears that her sexual urge may push her into fornication. Howver even if you have a strong will to control your sexual desire, and you have no wish to have children, and the person feels that marriage will keep them away from his devotion to Allah, or they will not fulfill their duty it is commendable (mandub). here is where you seem to miss totally. Again I explained what I know as an individual from the ulumas, not something that i made up to suit my own desiers. In any case I hate to argue about religion (hence why I never visit the Islam section of this forum) so I’ll leave it at that. Thanks

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 1: Narrated Anas bin Malik: A group of three men came to the houses of the wives of the Prophet asking how the Prophet worshipped (Allah), and when they were informed about that, they considered their worship insufficient and said, "Where are we from the Prophet as his past and future sins have been forgiven." Then one of them said, "I will offer the prayer throughout the night forever." The other said, "I will fast throughout the year and will not break my fast." The third said, "I will keep away from the women and will not marry forever." Allah's Apostle came to them and said, "Are you the same people who said so-and-so? By Allah, I am more submissive to Allah and more afraid of Him than you; yet I fast and break my fast, I do sleep and I also marry women. From the tasfiir of this hadith I remember that it said it is forbidden for someone to go to extreme lengths for ciibaad (worship) i.e. praying all night and fasting everyday, nor are we allowed to live in seclusion in mountains like they use to do before and cut our self from life. On the issue of marriage it is forbidden for someone to say I will never marry because they want to be exclusive to worship. My understanding of this was as long as you don't state that you will never marry (which I don't, Allah knows best what the future holds) I am okay. If for whatever reason you don't get married there is no sin. Cheers

^^NOPE! but carry on... I won't spoil it with my negativity!

^^adiga maxaad kaa raabt Val, You follow her around and constantly having subtle digs at her. ISska caadso waxaad kaa raabit, i'm sure you will find out the answer a lot quicker sorry I could not resist!

^^^they won't be yours... they will belong to allah. and it is compulsory and imperative to have an intention of getting married one day. I didnt say it. The PROPHET (saw) said so really if you are a practising muslim or would like to be, you should work on it or atleast make dua that Allah clears your heart of such Issues. Can i have the evidence please. I know it is suggested, liked very much... but comulsory? i did some research few years back and i found that it is best if you do but you won't have to. Now are trying to throw it out of the window! so Can you please provide your evidence or take those words back

DO you know that informationclearinghouse is run by the CIA?? i would not visit that place if i was you! just a friendly advise

he sounds white :rolleyes: tell him men and women are not equal so it is her fault for trying to be equal and over eating

They eat all the left over from the kids, and they taste the food too much while cooking, then eat early in the day when the are at home, then the husband gets home late and she eats with him to keep him company, then they sleep with all the food without walking about or part taking in any exercises. DO that for a month and they are as big as a house! Most believe they don’t eat much (it is less noticeable when you eat little bit at a time but more frequently) that’s just my theory. Or they stop working (coz their kusband demands a stay at home wife) they get bored and depressed and comfort eat.

^^I don't know what crazy people you been seeing but i have yet to see women wearing their husbands shoes. I mean surley they could not be the same size... could they? :rolleyes: unless she has some big A*ss feet.

^^it is the truth, truth hurts girl. Unless...

The truth is there is no such thing "Moderate Muslim" anyone who claims to be "moderate Muslim" is a sale out in my opinion :rolleyes: people like the Sufi Muslim council etc. As far as i am concerned Islam is a moderate religion, i don't see the big deal, you think people will treat you differently because you claim to be "Moderate Muslim" and kiss *** :rolleyes: It annoys me to no end that there are Muslims who are tripping over their own feet to condemn Muslims: whether it be the speakers on this program, suicide bombers on Palestine, shikes in Somalia, Iraq, and Iran. What is wrong with these people :rolleyes: Regardless of what Israel does I have yet to see a Jewish person border speaking out against them, nor do I see Christians running around apologizing for Bush or Blair or the catholic for IRA so what is wrong with these Muslims. The BNP get rewarded for propagating hate against Muslims. British subjects of Israeli parentage are allowed to go to Israel and fight in the IDF. Melanie Philips degrades and attacks Islam and Muslims on her website as well as being allowed to publish her book 'Londonistan' and sold in every book shop. But for Muslims there is no free speech, or freedom of expression. Shame on the sell outs in the neocon Sufi Muslim Council, also shame on the sell out who filmed the whole saga and for those that instead of question have jumped on the bandwagon. This is a blatant attempt to smear Muslims, The speakers did not sound like bin laden to me, some clearly stated that they do not believe in violence in this country and promotes multiculturalism, and you call him an extremist! Channel 4 have done the British public a disservice by making this programme and taking quotes out of context and its correct frame work. I found the whole thing deeply disturbing, journalists are now so desperate to demonise Muslims that they will use cut and paste jobs and refer to them as documentaries. This so-called ‘undercover’ investigation merely panders to age-old anti-Muslim prejudices by employing the time-honoured tradition of cherry picking statements and presenting them in the most inflammatory manner. Dispatches failed to adequately differentiate between the application of Islamic Shariah in an Islamic State and its application within a minority Muslim community in modern day Britain. This vital distinction would have been self-evident to any viewer had the relevant statements been presented in their correct context. For example He says that punishments can only be given by imams of an Islamic state, the UK is not an Islamic state and neither will it be one. He explains that he does not believe in violence towards homosexuals, he believes it’s a grave sin which is what Christians and Jews also believe. It is sad that Muslims (forget the non Muslims) did not see this show for what it was. cheers :cool:

York hall is not a gym it is just swimming. Mantra 2morrow is mix Go to tuesday. Can you believe some somali women swim in dirac there on tues it looks so funny, it use to freak me out but i got use to it now

^ :rolleyes:

NG yeah thats the one i am talking about. And yes no cameras and no men, but the roof is glass and see through and they have big windows, there was big fight about it. lool there is the other one i go to in bethnal gree women only (not only muslim women but all women) tuesdays 7.30-9.30 cheap as well

Actually there is nothing loony about it. There is vast evidence to suggest that Polio vaccines and the origin of AIDS are linked which is what he was referring to. As I said the last two guys (a state within a state dude and the democracy dude were out of line). As for promoting hate and violence i disagree the guy merely quoted an verse in the Quran which says do not keep non Muslims as your friends and helpers, and the other which says they will never be pleased with you ..... Again it is all part of the deen but it was taken out of context and it was for a different audience. For example the guy that said you can marry some under age, again to a non Muslim that’s strange etc did you watch the link?

loool. I am sure they will both appreciate being sold... possible even short.... remember to share thr profit