Jumatatu,as I said In Arabic ... If you don't believe it is up to you , no one forcing you to believe it :rolleyes: . Salam [ October 20, 2004, 05:14 PM: Message edited by: Admin ]

NGONGE, the story I heard by BBC and I don't think they lie to us do you think that?? Secondly adero or 3amo mind your own busness will you ? Other think I am trying to be fair I aint saint , I am just doing what I believe or think is right I could be wrong too . Thanks 3amo . Edit ; See NGONGE, you and your friend Jumatatu just embarrassing your self!!.. 3alal aqal e7taremo al shawareb ya 3amoo , shawarebhom, danto fe 3omr abooyah Salam

Why 3ajam so obssesed with Khelafah unlike Arabs? :confused: Salam

Jumatatu, doesn't matter where your roots establish, I don't have roots in Puntland Nor Somaliland or rest of Somalia but still I am fair to every one. So Just come out what bothers you or don't comment the topic. As simple as that, really is easy. You talking glass houses and stones!!!.. do you really have feelings my dear? did you ever think one minute? this young girl have brothers, father, cousins, uncles.. how do you feel if she was your sister ? you think how puntlanders did such and such in some where I don't even have clue?. people have little sensitivity please , this is disgusting to fight over and bring your dirty laudry in order the make point on some one you dislike in SOL. :rolleyes: . Salam

Jumatatu, do you really think brother before you hit the reply buttom or do you let hate blind your thinking?? I am sorry I cant ignore the plight of this poor young girl and just argue who did what and who did not do what. If you want to attack Putland government do so to your hearts content. But, don’t compare those who took a great risk knowing the full dangers on the road ahead of them and to the plight of a young girl who is rapped. The people who took those boats are of course human beings and we all moan their death, but remember no one forced them against their will to board those boats. On the other hand, this poor young girl is sexually assaulted against her will and is sad some people might try to capitalise on it. Nevertheless, this does not diminish in anyway the horrific crimes committed against this young girl. Salam

Salam Sister zainabia.. Now Alhamdullilah I am full so I can continue my comments about your post . 2) And if Hadhrat Umar was sincere about rights of women, then why he didn't prohibit intercourse with Slave Women? You see master has right to have intercourse with his slave woman, and then sell him further (as Sahaba Karam used to do). Zainba, I believe sis you are mixing issues here. The Quraan dealt with slavery and hence Islam discouraged it and gave slaves rights. The Quraan couldn’t just suddenly say stop. Look at how drinking alcohol is dealt with. First it was said don’t drink while performing prayers and then don’t drink at all. Even then, the Quraan didn’t say what the punishment should be for those who drink it and the Prophet (PBUH) didn’t say it either. Again, Omar dealt with this issue by issuing punishment for those who drink with the advice of Ali—as he was facing this problem during his reign. In order to understand the Arabs of that time and their mentality we have to read the history Arabs before Islam sis. Before Islam Arabs used to marry their fathers wives, two sisters at the same time and so on. However, the Quraan deals with all of these.Is all to do with what was before Islam and culture and what ecceptable in that time and age. Islam couldn't once just stop it. Also Sis, slavery is a complex issue and the Quraan dealt with it in a logic step-by-step method. In order to discourage slavery, Quraan encouraged people to free their slaves (for instance, when one can’t fast, he is either told to give money to the poor or free a slave). Furthermore, Islam gave slaves many rights, which they didn’t have before Islam. Therefore, when it comes to slaves there was nothing Omar could have done which Islam has not dealt with. On the question of Muta, the Quraan didn’t deal with it, Omar was facing this problem, and he dealt with it, the best way he knew. Sis excuse me for saying this, but I think you are making women sexual objects here so that men can piss on them in order not to commit adultery!!!. I don't understand why people are so bussy on these things rather than understanding the problems Muslims are facing today in the world!!! Salam

Dam, that used to ennoy me!. now I can easily remove all my secrate files..lol Thanks! Salam

Gold Girl, Thanks and God bless you sister. I pray at home and Alhamdullilah I am really not intrested different schools of fiqh since we are here to worship Allah I will do all I can do it to gain Allah's (SWT) blessing. Hanee'an for your Iftaar!. Salam

Baraka Allah feekysister Zainabia , Insha Allah we learn from each other and sure I will keep your company here as I don't read for a lot of people in this section..you are one of people I really enjoy her posts. Sister , I understood your point, I don't know about where you live but We don't do Mut'ah and no one I know do it... why I need to do such things ? I understand these old women in their 40s have no kids or their kids are old and left them jst want to do mut'ah even thought I wouldn't imagine my mom or any of my relatives do such things even after 100 years. Let me back about our brothers, sons, fathers ..ets who do Muta'a cos they can't control them selves!!! ... I would say ONE thing: These men should learn something called self control. They can't keep it in their pants, so an entire religion caters to them? Pathetic. Have you ever heard of willpower, sis?decide to do ornot to do some thing, and you do or not do it. It's that simple. Really, it is. Why do you need religion to prove your behaviors cause simply you couldn't control your lust?! If you really really need it do it but don't make excuses for these men and women just cause we have a lot of porn movies or postitutions ...is not result of banning Muta'a but is lack of religion and self control!. By the way there is survay saying most who go for Haramm sex are not young boys or none married but these who already married and have kids! See problem is not muta'ah or not but is our self . I am waitting your posts inshallah about women and their needs. To be honest as I told you this topic is not my kind and disgusting me cause we don't need to make all this fuss about Muta'ah while Muslim ummah facing a lot of problems. Salam

Zainabia, thanks for educating people about Shia here sis. However, I have to say make your post short, as many of your good points will be easily be lost in these long posts. Secondly,Mut'ah is not an issue that really concerns me, how many people practise Mutah in this day and age?I myself wont practise it. No Shia girlfriends of mine practise it , won’t do it either in the future. I say you have posted enough on this subject and let them accept it or reject. We know most Sunnis scholars believe that it was Omar who declared it Haraam, who has no authority in religion. But have you wondered why he did this? Don’t you think he did for the benefit of women and children (children born out of this relationship who are denied by their fathers)? He stopped it cause during his time, there was no any known medical tests (e.g. DNA) in order to verify whether any child conceived in this marriage if the father denies it was his. The problem arises because, Mutah marriages are conducted in secret and hence no witnesses are available to confirm what each side was saying. So as more and more men denied children they conceived and Omar having no way of determining who was telling the truth, the only option left to him in order to protect the poor women was to ban the practise. There were many men at the time who abused the system. Hence, Omar had to protect the weak in this case being the women and children. Islam champions for the stability of our domestic social order, and Mutah in away is against this sprit—since children born out of this union wont have the stability of family consisting of a father and a mother. As Shi’as, we should learn to accept good things that have come from others whom we disagree with, for instance Omar in this case. I will illustrate this point with an example from the Prophet (PBUH). When the Prophet (PBUH) came to Madinah, he found the Jews of Madinah used to fast on Ashura day. When the Prophet (PBUH) asked them the reason of their fasting on this day, they said, “This is a blessed day. On this day Allah saved the Children of Israel from their enemy (in Egypt) and so Prophet Musa fasted on this day giving thanks to Allah.†The Prophet (PBUH) said, “We are closer to Musa than you are.†He fasted on that day and commanded Muslims to fast on this day. (Al-Bukhari, Hadith 1865) Thus as Shi’as we should take any good that comes from people with disagree with as the Prophet (PBUH) seems to have done here. I conclude by saying, there is more to Shia than just Mutah. PS: I just don't understand what marying young girls and having sex with them to do with Mut'ah? (talking about Arabic post of yours).. Sister you said earlier you don't understand Arabic and here you really making a big mess...I would advice you to just delete it. Please accept my appology if I hurt your feeling sister... I did not mean bad . Salam

sahal,brother, I know this group whatever name they call them selves doesn't matter to me . And I don't even read for them..lol I know them well believe me , Hope you let our brother Salafi sink with some thing he doesn't understand. Salam

JB,don't worry I am so sure you can handle this little busness , I just wanted to get back to the original post and stop this Symphoney dee ..I was just helping my former student Salam

You could just sumarize for me dee..I hate reading about Somalis ...lol Seriously though who he is and what he have done ? My Ramadan is good ..going School from 10AM till 1 PM..lol nice schuale for Ramadan , then I sleep till Athan.. Now I am so full and can't even breath...lol damn this Ramadan I will grow alot of fat . What about yours? Salam

Smith, My self I accepted as many Somalis did! But what I was explaining was there was no much choices..and still believe there were either warlords or left out from last regime whom voited for him!. Salam

No. Salam

Origanilly posted by Yusufiddie: Well i don't know if i should start another tread but but the reason why i wanted to know is because i want to understand from the somali point of view- "How can an Old man as him self be feared or to some respected so much to make the majority of a country go his way and the thing about it is he the majority was not his family in other words " what makes a man in Somalia influential? Let me try to answer here, First, no majority went his way.. people in Nairobi or so called Parliment Members are either Warlods or left out from last regime. So there was no much choices there.They all same !! Just imagine some one running election for president of somalia in this time and age what they want?? I don't know but my Education system seems they fooled us.. they tought us never trust some one asking for leadership but go the want people appointed him!!. Believe me wouldn't make differences A/Yusuf or other 25 candiates they all were from last regime. Salam

Originally posted by: OG_GIRL ... dear teacher , your valueable lessons in ethics are deeply engraved in my heart, Boi these lessons paid off . All I can say is (wah waalan) . hope I spelled correct ..lol The problem you are really crazy and people will take you seriously dear. Slow down and easy on aderos and eedos dee . Salam

hmmm Isn't the topic about Ogaddenia and NFD? why this war here and there it is just somali way of discussing issues? Stop taking us to circles and address where your sickness is instead hidding behind Clan and Somalia itself!. I am sick and tired wallahi, I know each of you sick in deep inside and doesn't want to address exactly what bothers him/her about Abdullahi Yusuf but every one talking he was such and such! like we don't know the guy and don't know how to read!. Once leave the mask people and address your point and were you comming from instead of this circle you talking us!!. Will you learn addressing the real issue here or keep kissing behind each other?? :confused: Salam

who is Silano first then tell us the story inabti..there is people like moi just learned there is funny name called Yalazow, now Sirilanka man!!! . First tell us profile dee

This type of stories always seem to be of someone who was a good Muslim and at the end of the day found the light. The people who write this type of story never understood the religion nor the culutre they are writing about. There are so many holes in the story and therefore I conculded is a fabricated story. Look at this : Sunni sect—those who strictly follow the Qur'an and the Hadith (the sayings of Muhammad)!!!!!. they are telling us Shia dont follow Quraan and Hadith.. :confused: Other thing ,someone who tried to imitate the prophet would know a lot better of the religion than that, they wont take off their Hijab cause they come back to America (and espically if they are scared of hell, even if they felt an oddball!!)... Whoever wrote this story they insulting little brain we have . <-------****** Shakes her head , give the Gaalo break!!.. will you*******? Salam

I don’t understand what difference does it make what his age is? Well, in our traditions, we have famous years that are used as a benchmark,for example When the abyssinian conquered Mecca using elephants and led by the Christian army of Abrha, in the year 571 AD (This year known as the Year of the Elephant).This is the year our Propthet(Saw) was born.So we marked that, as Abu Bakar was born 2 years later 573 AD and so on. Coming back to his age, Somalis have four seasons per year and each season consist of three months.The year one is born is derived from this even if the month he was born is not known, this can then be approximated within three months. Hence knowing his age is not a problem at all, with an accuracy of three months. But the fact of the matter is, it doesn’t make a difference what his age is cause what matters is what he does. Salam

yep Bro Muraad and I just say to somalis, let us not loose the possible (which are warlord leaders for now) and ask for the impossible (saint leaders). Am I making sense :confused: Just trying to be realistic Salam

My God somalis are all haters!!! All stop hate please ,Let us not loose the possible and ask for the impossible!. Salam

***********DELETED************* I shouldnt have interfered between you. I let you battle out cause neither have good intentions. Salam

Nationalist, Brother , I am so sorry to hear what happened to your relatives.There is no excuse to kill and rape innocent people that is why I was saying doesn't matter who he sided with!, he done wrong with Eidid or not doesn't make differences for me and most of people. Edit:Hope our somali people will see what this tribal hate is causing us. PS:I am from same sub-clan Jees and I don't hate yours brother . Ramadan Kareem wallalo Salam