What a wretched people, they are as helpless and passive as livestock. War dadkaan maxay ahayeen ? What is behind this biblical flood of humans from supposedly booming xabashiya?

Skip to the 22:56 minutes mark to see the Turkish School built in Hargeisa. It looks like a quality school and the kids are learning the Turkish language , science and other subjects. great, This kids are really quick learners of the Turkish language . They are probably espoused to the language within year or so and look , they are even acting. Turks are doing wonders by elevating the quality of Somalia’s education. Our kids are bright and if given the opportunity are quick learners. The school looks decent and suitable for education.

<cite> @Illyria said:</cite> Xabad, Conservative muslim culture deeply rooted in venerable morality and decency in conduct and ethos is no comparison to the decadency of the more socially liberal, if mature western cultures. nevertheless, not so long ago, in the western world, someone would be hung for speaking ill of, or speaking truth to power. let us not be hasty. else, Aesop's famous fable of the Lion and the Antelope will come to pass. Ilyria, this is funny. I think you have another topic in mind. Glad your back

Population explosion is a bigger culprit, but i guess maryooley aren't interested in that. The carrying capacity of these semi desert lands has been surpassed long time ago hence the water shortages, famines, clan upheavals and what have you. Cashar kulul ayay somali qaadan dontaa if they don't stop breeding like rats. There has to be demographic transition in the Somali speaking peoples territories asap, NFD has the highest rates of birth anywhere in Kenya with no change in culture in sight, ditto with Somalia proper and Kilinka shanaad; the average Somali woman's TFR is ~8 kids, this frightening, a train wreck in slow motion is going on right before our eyes. Youth bulge, poverty, environmental degradation, joblessness, female marginalization, malnourishment which stunts physical and mental growth, religious radicalism are being led primarily or aggravated by our over breeding. The usual poverty is behind it will by bandied about, but even well traveled Somalis in qurbo have ridiculous birth rates, so its a cultural issue that is at play, we are irrationally pro natal. This needs to tackled head on without shame or ka gabasho. NGO' yadaan faraha kabatahy working in the horn i'm surprised none is looking at this most salient issue. End of rant.

<cite> @Naxar Nugaaleed said:</cite> The guy took someone to court for defamation and to you that indicates dictatorship. What kind of logic is that. Satire of leaders is no defamation chump. Obama and other heads of state routinely get worse treatment than this. Heck even Uhuru Kenyatta is lampooned beyond this and you never hear him take anyone to court. You haven't been following Turkey closely i guess. He cited Hitler as an example for his government recently, they was huge furor. His son Bilal, is involved in trading oil with Daish.

<cite> @galbeedi said:</cite> A lot could be said on the character of Erdogan. He should not be jailing or muzzling journalist or those who criticise him. He must show maturity. On the other hand, the internal dynamics of Turkeys judiciary and army generals are not settled well. Few years ago, There were large number of Army generals who were trying to overthrow the elected government, so being paranoid is expected. Overall, Erdogans tenure as a prime minister was one of the most democratic era of Turkey's history. For the last ten years, the Turkish economy performed better than most of Europe. Look at their Greek neighbor who were subsidised by EU for twenty years go bankrupt. Remember even Putin's first few terms as president were relatively free and democratic, look what Erdogan has done since he's settled down to power, extremely repressive, he is brutalizing the Kurds so that he can turn the presidency into an executive office, locks up people for mocking him like tinpot dictators do. How is that democracy? can Cameron lock up someone for likening them to Gollum from the lords of rings, he is also extremely vulgar mouthed, calling one protester "Israel sperm". The most serious offence was his support for Daacish in syria in an effort to topple Assad and deny Syrian Kurds political gain. Even their economy is floundering now, because he has destabilized the country, scared away tourists, picked needless fights with his neighbors and went on spending binge. I can go on. He has Turkey in a perilous state, civil war is currently ongoing in the south east not much different from Syria and Iraq which might spread, eventual break up of the country is a real possibility if he continues his foolishness. <cite> @galbeedi said:</cite> On the issues of the big presidential palace that Erdogan built, I should say, it comes with territory. Look at the French and their champ Elysees and other huge presidential palaces, or the huge Russian Kremlin which takes blocks of city buildings. Turkey with soon to be 80 million people, should act and behave as a great power, thus it needs big palaces. I hope Erdogan retires after his term finishes and pass the torch to new generation of Turkish leaders. Are you serious Galbeedi ? its seems you subscribe to the big man theory so beloved of Africans, and here I thought that western sensibilities have rubbed on to you when you railed against grand houses for ministries in the motherland. Have you seen 10 downing street ? The chancellery of Germany? or the other residences for heads of state of developed countries. They are small functionary offices, grand palaces are medieval concepts. Champ Elysee was built long time ago in the 18th century, so was the Kremlin, completed in 1495. Moreover, a state's power should not be denoted by ostentatious palaces anyway, face palm. The manner in which he built his palace is also problematic, it was illegal, he basically rode roughshod over their laws, cut down trees and spent an exorbitant sum of money out of state coffers. Aksaray palace's maintenance consumes all the taxes collected from the town of Aksaray, i.e a whole town works to support this presidential palace. He challenges opponents to come knock it down if they have power, when they question him. That is hallmark of a dictator.

Arab bootyclapping has been replaced by Turkish bootyclapping in the Somali-lands. Afrikaan waa adoon tuugsi un taqaan, notice how they fall over each other to ingratiate themselves to an anonymous Turk on a message-board. Eebow adaa noo maqan.

<cite> @Naxar Nugaaleed said:</cite> Bosmanoglu Welcome and thank you for writing that, pretty much how I see the situation as well. Xabad. you have to be utterly blind to not see the drastic difference between the Somalia we see now and the one before the Turkish president visited. As for your beef with their president, I believe there is a song call "it's nobody's business but the Turks. As for us Somalis, I believe am in the Majority when I say we are great for the selfless help and support to our countrymen. Read my reply to Galbeedi and get back to me, your naive and callow when in comes to development.

<cite> @galbeedi said:</cite> Bosmanoglu, welcome to SOL where some Somali diaspora nomads and others exchange freely on issues ranging from politics, religion to social and cultural. Although we have lost a lot for the last 30 years, I believe we are still a generous people toward guests, and I hope our friend Xabad will treat this Turkish visitor of Somalia online with the courtesy he deserves. We really value the friendship of Turkey and the revival of our historical alliances. Relations between Somalia and Turkey date back to the Middle Ages and the ties between the Adal Sultanate and the Ottoman Empire. We may reside different continents, but I believe we are proud and resilient just as Turks are. We do not watch others make history, we are mobile not static. Our biggest weakness is tribalism which can only be overcome by urbanization, economic development and merit based governance. We are grateful for what Turkey have done for Somalis. Erdogan was the first and only leader to set foot those poor dusty roads of Somalia when others especially the corrupt, over weight gulf countries watched and waited. Turkish Airlines became the first long-distance international commercial airline in two decades to resume flights to and from Mogadishu's Aden Adde International Airport. We never had great partner's to progress with. some forty years ago Spain and Portugal were Europe's tourists out posts with no significant economical progress. Then, in early eighties, they joined the European Union. Massive economic subsidies worth billions from the rich countries and open markets lifted their economies. Look where they are today. The poor rice farmers of Korea became Asia's economic power house due to their alliance with United State of America. We have been looking a credible ally for 55 years since independence, I believe Turkey could be a lasting friend in todays tough world. There is no trade between Somalia and it's neighbors. Borders are closed for forty years, and no one is talking inter regional trades. The century old saying that " if the goods do not cross the border, soldiers will", certainly applies here. Our neighbors fear us. They either afraid of our armies or our business ingenuity. If Ethiopia and others agree on trade liberalization, we could take them over within few decades. I agree, Arabs are not worth of any alliances or partners. On the other hand the Western nations welcomed tens of thousands of Somalis and a lot can be learned in terms of governance and democracy. our country needs mentoring in the development of our economy, especially the agriculture and livestock sectors. I have been looking deeply in your agriculture, and I did find that Turkey produces 75% of the commercial hazelnuts in the world. We welcome direct Foreign investment in major sectors of the economy. To achieve this partnership Turkey must work and push the ultimate goal of all Somalis, which is a Unified strong Somali state that can protect it's citizens and provide basic life and liberty for all. Finally do not be discouraged by the nay Sayers. We are deeply fragmented nation , and fragmented people could barely agree on anything. The good news is that while we criticise and sometimes denounce our current government, most of us support the national government to succeed and move the country forward. These are some of my random thoughts about the relationship. May Allah bless Turkey, Somalia and Canada. keep in touch. Galbeediyow, please read a book called "Tyranny of the Experts, by William Easterly". Here the is the nuxur of his idea gotten from the Wapo. "In his provocative “The Tyranny of Experts,” he lays out a passionate, if fitful, argument against the conventional approach to economic development. In the realm of benevolent intervention, the standing rule has always been that you can walk into a poor country and, with enough experts, supplies and bureaucratic correctives, make it rich and alleviate the woes of poverty. But according to Easterly, this is a fatuous idea that has sparked more havoc than good." https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/review-the-tyranny-of-experts-by-william-easterly-on-global-developments-errors/2014/05/02/5e9c46d2-ca1e-11e3-95f7-7ecdde72d2ea_story.html The infatuation Somalis have with Turks is borne out of a certain third world mindset that envisages a benevolent foreign sugar daddy propelling them to economic development, this is deeply wrong. It never happened and never will. Change is inborn and not exogenous, the Quran states " Allah will not change condition of people until they change themselves." Africans are prone to cargo cultism. In his irreverent classic The Trouble with Nigeria, Chinua Achebe attributes underdevelopment to a cargo cult mentality of ruling elites. “One of the commonest manifestations of under-development is a tendency among the ruling elite to live in a world of make-believe and unrealistic expectations. This is the cargo cult mentality that anthropologists sometimes speak about — a belief by backward people that someday, without any exertion whatsoever on their own part, a fairy ship will dock in their harbour laden with every goody they have always dreamed of possessing,” he wrote. http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/bullet-trains-delusions-mega-techno-cities/-/440808/2450902/-/s9mfcxz/-/index.html This fairy ship nowadays is Turkey, before that it was Reer Galbeedka. Eventually we have to grow up Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore ordered his ministers to hang no begging signs on their doors, this little resourceless speck of an island refused to pass the begging bowl like so many developing nations and insisted on doing economic fundamentals right, the results have been spectacular. From the libertarian CATO institute; "These were the four goals of Lee Kuan Yew’s Singapore Strategy: stable money, no foreign aid, first-world competition, and law and order. Now, to accomplish these goals, the key to the strategy was a “small,” transparent government — a minimalist government that avoided complexity and “red tape” — hence top ranking in the Doing Business report." http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/doing-business-singapore-style Turkey is in Somalia for it cynical ends not out of brotherly love, stop being starry eyed. The same for western nations, Arab nations and African nations. Erdogan's neo Ottoman PR stunts don't impress me, they should keep off.

<cite> @Bosmanoglu said:</cite> Hi.. personally I never voted for him. I can safely say that %50 of country adores him and other %50 hates him. Dictatorship is a strong statement; since we have rule of law and have strong civil society, it would never happen. What rule of law ? Erdogan is getting his way nilly willy, he built himself a tasteless expensive palace, bought a personal plane, usurped the powers of the PM'ship, he pretty much locks up any critic with impunity, what kind of judiciary do you have if one man can lock up citizens for mocking him. I always thought Turkey was a semi mature democratic state, i was wrong. Supporting ISIS was perhaps the most cynical thing ever. Do you agree ?

<cite> @galbeedi said:</cite> Xabad, this group will disappear from the earth soon . Extremists come and go. The Prophet said " Stay with mainstream Ummah", Also, " moderation is the best of affaires", stay with larger "Jameeca". Agreed. Their cruelty and barbarity is something else.

What is your view on the descent of Turkey under Erodgan towards dictatorship ?

Islamic State militant 'executes own mother' in Raqqa An Islamic State militant carried out a public "execution" of his mother because she asked him to leave the group, activists say. Ali Saqr, 21, killed his mother, Lena al-Qasem, 45, outside the post office in Raqqa, Syria, eyewitnesses said. Lena al-Qasem had reportedly told her son that the US-led military alliance fighting IS would "wipe out" the group, and tried to convince him to leave the city with her. Her son is then said to have informed the group of her comment. They then ordered that she be killed. Ali Saqr is reported to have shot her outside the post office where she worked, in front of hundreds of people. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35260475 Acuudi bika Ciilsuldan would probably do the same. The greatest concentration of sadistic psychopaths on earth in one place.

<cite> @Gheelle.T said:</cite> Xabad, Somalia is in desperate need for people with technical skills. Factories shutdown for a mere broken conveyor belt and there are no local technicians that can fix the darn thing. I know of cases where mechanics had to be flown from India and Dubai to fix a diesel generator that powers a city, because the Somali mechanics there couldn't do a jack to start it. Instead of building 100 (house sized) Universities in every village, with sorry azz degrees and curriculum, they should rather invest vocation/technical colleges. Gheele i agree with you wholeheartedly on technical/vocational training. True manliness is technical aptitude and prowess not clan boosterism.

Reer Cuqdadland maxaa kasugi lahayd adigaba ? Those Garoowe street lights i'm afraid for their maintenance down the line, we know how mechanically gifted maryooley are, don't we ?

<cite> @galbeedi said:</cite> CiidanSuldaan, Puntlanders are probably one of the best players of the game called politics, but I for one will not allow our esteemed sisters whether they are from Puntland or any where to be dragged here. Please apologise. Galbeedi, ninkaan aad apologize leedahay waa nin qac ah ogow. Guys none should reply to him, he belongs in a mental asylum and folks who are engaging him will only make his psychosis worse. He writes lots of cantarbaqash threads, gets tired and loses interest when no one replies, goes into a hiatus only to resurface after a few months, he is being doing that on and off for many years. He is Daacish supporter also, waa nin xanuunsan.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia deports Somalis everyday and deforests our country by buying illegal charcoal. But that wont get in the way of our reflexive Arab booty clapping.

^ War ileen, you learn new things everyday. So he is part of the Islamist matrix after all. I always thought he was some run of the mill Isaaq-lander.

Puntlander ? Buuhoodle is deep Khaatumo land.

The allegations were always there, Godane was rumored to use it before being droned. Horta ninka iskaleh wadaad ma'aha, but he likes ahlu deen (so called) and trusts them as business people. He may have been snared into the whole matrix unknowingly like that.

You could see who was online lurking, loved the signatures at the bottom and the avatars were just wonderful. Any idea where i can find the template ? i was really fond of it.

2016 is gonna be a fighting year, Qoslaye is definitely going to cause trouble for PL by sending Galmudug militias to attack Galkacyo once again as a distraction so that he can extend his mandate. He may also try to destabilize Jubbaland anyway he can. He has no other game left to play.

<cite> @Tallaabo said:</cite> I think the problems started when some of the guys tried to impressive all the other employees by portraying a holier-than-thou attitude, prayed sunnah after sunnah, and read al-baqra in their salaat. They are just indolent and probably thought they could squeeze more break time from their employer.

It’s a peculiar Somali problem, like FGM. Always picking squabbles over religion. By the way, in the states, Arabs and Indian Muslims have different Mosques from Somalis, whom they look down upon and make a point of pushing them away from their establishments.

I side with the factory. If your religious duty hinders your work performance, i have every right to fire you. They are not content with refusing to ferry passengers with alcohol, now they want paid break time for their prayers, sheer impudence. It's a peculiar Somali problem, like FGM. Always picking squabbles over religion.