Coofle;940524 wrote: Wadani...Dee markaa you need to just listen to people... Im all ears Coofle. Soo daa warka. LEt me know what SNM did to civilians. Nin culus baad tahay so I'll take what u say seriously, while ofcourse doing my own research. I have no problem condemning people from my own clan, but neither do I want the suffering of my clan to be belittled by others. That's all.

Apophis;940520 wrote: Then you accept the SNM killed innocent women and children and are war criminals?? Be not like me dee. It's possible. I don't have enough knowledge. But If I find evidence then yes, i'll condemn the SNM for killing innocent civilians. Adeer bilaash wadani ula maan bixin lol. Caddaalad is my priority.

Apophis;940515 wrote: Yeah sure, I'll believe your Microsoft paint made map Btw, what about the thousands of the refugees your SNM killed afte they took over the territory. The women and children lugu cilbahey Fck them right? Yea I'd say F them if I was like u, but im not sxb.

Apophis;940508 wrote: You're confusing me with someone else. I'm more than happy for the triangle to be amputated from the republic. But even if this was genocide, it's clearly A-OK according to your logic: It's as if everyone from ur camp has lent out their brains today. , and correction it's not a traingle actually if u bothered to even take a look at a map. And my description of the prevailing laws of nature that dictate human power and subjugation does not mean my sensibilities condone them as such. I was giving a descriptive account of norms, and not a prescriptive one. I abhor all injustices, especially Somali on Somali ones.

Classified;940503 wrote: Wadani, It seems to me that you think you guys are the only Somali victims in Somalia's long civil war. The clans from Mudug-Nugaal-Bari claims to have been systematically targeted by Siad Barre's government. The clans of Hargeisa-Berbera-Burco claims to have been systematically targeted by Siad Barre's government. The USC clans somehow claim to have been targeted by Siad's government. Both the Mudug-Nugaal-Bari clans and the USC clans moved on for the sake of Somalinimo. They knew it was a government and that government had all Somalis involved and today it doesn't exist. From 1991-1993, a more bloodier, more heinous crimes were committed. The death toll in Jubbaland, Hiraan, Bay, Bakool, Shabeelada Hoose, Shabeelada Dhexe and Muqdisho areas within 2 years alone was in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Let's be realist and honest to one another. You guys are yelling "crimes" and "genocide", so what happened in 1991-1993 can be overlooked. lol First of all thanks for the sympathy, it was much appreciated. . But I fail to see how my efforts to prove that what happened in the north was a systematic targeting of a certain clan can be miscontsrued to be some sort of denial on my part of the suffering of other Somalis. Nowhere have I denied what happened in other parts of the country and I am deeply hurt and appaled by all of it equally. All I'm asking is for the same in return. Im the one being humane in all of this, so it's ironic that u would lecture me and remind me of other atrocities in an effort to deflect attention away from the on hand at the moment. dib isugu noqo ninyahow.

Apophis;940501 wrote: SNM propaganda. Utter hogwash. If Siad Barre wanted to wipe you guys out he'd have squashed you like a bug but his Somalinimo wouldn't allow that. Let us not confuse collateral damage with terms such as "genocide". These people are soo bizaarre. They write s**** like this and as if suffering from a serious case of amnesia they'll ask Somaliland to rejoin the union.

Aaliyyah;940494 wrote: Wa la isku xoog sheganaya miya. Haye aan aragno kasoo hadha. No, u misunderstood. Im talking about history. Waxani way dhaceen and cannot be changed unless God forbid civil war breaks out in the north.. But if the snm clan started claiming Laascaanod today for example (in the sense of expelling the Khaatumo clan and making it an snm degaan), i'd be the first to go against it. So markaa ha i fahmi waayin.

Classified;940491 wrote: But, the SNM infiltrated the masses. The situation turned into a house-to-house warfare, much similar to what's going on in Syria. The SNM rebels mostly wore civilians cloths. I'm not here to defend anyone, but just being fair here. All Somali clans were part of Somalia's Siad Barre government. AUN to all the innocent civilians that died in 1988, 1991 and up to recently. lol, illaahow nin aan waxba ogayn ha cadaabin. Bro, some people here were actually there and have lost loved ones. Like I said, some civilian deaths would be a reasonable and expected outcome of a war where the rebels can melt into the civilian population, but this isn't what happened in the north. We were being targeted systematically by the state for being from the I-clan. My aunt witnessed with her own eyes bus loads of teenage girls and boys being lined up with hands tied behind their backs and being shot execution style. She got away by begging for her life and paying one of the san-gadhuudhi officers a few shillings she had. As she was walking away she saw another load of youth being brought in to be killed. When the woman, children and the old and infirm were making their arduous trek to kilinka for safety was there SNM among them? So y were we being bombed form the air by the somali air force and hired rodhesian mercenaries?

lol haye Xaaji waan ka yara qallayn.

Classified;940483 wrote: SNM rebels were fighting against Siad's government prior to 1988. The rebels started fighting with Mengistu's support in early 1980-1981. From 1981-1987, Siad Barre's government didn't bombard or kill civilians in Hargeisa or Burco. Only after SNM rebels attacked and captured parts of Hargeisa and Burco (with urban warfare) did the Government take all measure possible to liberate Hargeisa and Burco from SNM rebels whom were backed, equipped and financed by Ethiopia's Mengistu regime. How is that a War crime? Any government in the World would retake it's cities if Rebels that are transparently supported by your enemy attacks your cities and kills your citizens. Also ur denial of the atrocities in the north is just an example of y we can't share a country with ur ilk.

Classified;940483 wrote: SNM rebels were fighting against Siad's government prior to 1988. The rebels started fighting with Mengistu's support in early 1980-1981. From 1981-1987, Siad Barre's government didn't bombard or kill civilians in Hargeisa or Burco. Only after SNM rebels attacked and captured parts of Hargeisa and Burco (with urban warfare) did the Government take all measure possible to liberate Hargeisa and Burco from SNM rebels whom were backed, equipped and financed by Ethiopia's Mengistu regime. How is that a War crime? Any government in the World would retake it's cities if Rebels that are transparently supported by your enemy attacks your cities and kills your citizens. It was a war crime because civilians were being targeted and killed deliberately. If only the SNM was being targeted and some civilians happened to die as collateral it would be a different story.

Aaliyyah;940479 wrote: As you pointed out, you are occupying other people's lands so that changes everything. And no one was talking about the I-clan. We were talking about specific subclan, who shares hargaisa with other subclans. The demographics of the majority of the world is based on successive waves of occupation and the expelling of the original inhabitants. If we follow your line of arguement, we'd have to give back large swathes of somalia and kilinka to the Oromo since we ousted them during the Somali expansion. In the real world 'might is right' and the somalis say 'ki roon ayaa reerka u soo hadha'.

Aaliyyah;940473 wrote: You seem to have answered your own question. But how does that change the fact inaanu maanta dhul balaadhan dagno? and secondly how does it answer y u consider the SNM clan to be a politically unified clan when the treaties were signed and the H@rti to be comrpised of independent subclans?

Aaliyyah;940456 wrote: The Khaatumo clan own a large tract of land. oo yaan dhul balaadhan daganayn? Ciyaalkan neo-d@@rodismka lagu koriyay maxaanu ka yeelnaa bal wakaase. And about the treaties, y would HA sultaans signing a treaty in berbera with the British iclude the interior SNM clans if the Maakhir treaty doesn't include the Khaatumo clan? Y do u consider the SNM clan a monolith and not the H@rti?

Waranle_Warrior;940385 wrote: Wadani, Looooooool, Wallahi you got me laughing so hard, I believe you brother hadaad dhaaratay, but I wasn't asking for your dhaar but if there were evidence to proof your point but I take your dhaar for it. Qofka Muslinka ah haduu dhaarto ayaa layiri waa laga aaminaa and I will trust you. looool, waa runtaa walaal. Anyway, my proof is the towns like Bohol, Midhisho and Dararwayne are all well-known deegaans inhabited by HY, and look where they are located on the map.

Waranle_Warrior;940374 wrote: Wadani, how do you know or prove that is the accurate map or is this Wadani being 'real' wadani and fiqi tolki kama jano tago type these days Wallahi it's accruate, beenna ku ma dhaarto.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2zjky7o&s=4 Click the above link for an accurate map showing the real clan composition of Somaliland.

ole-maasai;940156 wrote: Believe or not "Ngonge" my learning is better than casiir tutorials .I was schooled by none other than brother to legend Hadraawi. By name in Walanwal, Lived here among the Maasais. Do tell more.

Alpha Blondy;940037 wrote: i hosted some high profile figures of the immediate sub-clan tolka, today. we had an excellent meeting. one was a ganacsade and political financier, the other a parliamentarian.......and of course, i invited one of my friends from the quraha to balance the power-dynamics. he's also a talkative guy and that helped proceedings, as i kept an 'air of mystery' about my person. Al for Parliamentarian in 2017, ma istidhi? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL loooooooool

'Liibaan';939794 wrote: SL should stay with union only if the SL people in Hargeisa, Burco, Aynabo, Ceergaabo support United Somalia. Rabitaanka shacabka ayaa wax kasta ka weyn.. Waa runtaa walaal. Sidoo kalena hadii ay reer khaatumo somaliland diidaan waa in rabitaankooda iyagana la tix galiyaa.

Carafaat;939725 wrote: Wadani, didnt you know. Only certain folks may call themselves 'nationalist' or 'unionist'. Oh I know, I know all too well.

Yunis;939708 wrote: SOL quote of the day.. ...Wadani...masaajidka ciyaarta kadaa ninyahow...ee magaca wadani iska badal...little shoving from Apophis and you came out in a hurry Waa horaa la yidhi fiqi tolkii kama janno tago. .

Carafaat;939698 wrote: Wadani, Apophis is a Somali-Kenya Sijui. Let him first free NFD from Kenya and then we can Talk Somalia with his kin. Barobbiyo.

Apophis;939696 wrote: your qat addled mind assumes this so called "defeat" as a permanent fact of life. Prepare for a rude awakening ya langaab. Hmmm, I c u've conceded your defeated status. As for my laangaabnimo, adeer my subclan waxay dagaan east of Ceerigaabo illaa duleedka Wardheer. Dhulka intaa le'egna cidda laga qaaday waa lawada ogyahay, laakiinse ku sii dheeraan maayo illeen meeshu somalinet maahee.

Apophis;939689 wrote: why do we (Somalia) insist on keeping this gangrened leg? We should cut it off, blockade it (North Korea style) and keep on rolling. We need nothing from that desert wasteland. That's what we as Somalilanders have been saying all along, but can u convince your defeated lot of the same?