Alpha, no its not. I noticed the roads are bettter and its less qurbojoog lol. Where did you go?

^I know. I just want to, in my non-scholarly way, highlight just how much they bend, skew and jump when actually confronted about their beliefs. Can someone who doesn't know what he is rejecting be taken seriously? Johnny B;820005 wrote: Experience tells me that we've been here before , namely where you agree with me that disbelieving in a claim that lacks evidence is all-right , but at the same breath demand it's negation too to be proved with evidence,otherwise the negation itself must be disregarded or disbelieved. Now, if you pay attention, I'd like to thread the ground so hang on here . Case 1: A states that a Deity by the name Akea rules the universe. - -> A Belief. B states that another Deity by the name Eingana rules the Universe. --> Another Belief. Here disbelieving in Akea's rule of the Universe due to lack of evidence doesn't per automatic make belief in Eingana's rule of the Universe more right/correct, it simply doesn't follow. An evidence for Einganas rule of the Universe is equally demandable. case 2: A states that a Deity by the name Akea rules the universe. - -> A Belief. B states that Akea's rule of the universe lacks evidence. - -> A Disbelief. Here disbelieving in Akea's rule of the Universe due to lack of evidence is already the position of B. Now demanding an evidence for an evidence that Akea's rule of the Universe lacks evidence is simply wrong. B is the negation of A , and as long as there is no evidence for A , B remains necessarily true. So B is an Agnostic

Johnny boy, its one thing to disbelieve in a claim due to, as you say, a lack of evidence but quite another to believe in the opposite of that claim without any evidence Sound reasoning I'm sure

^can we do away with quotes from others and concentrate on the topic ie the verses given by Maadeey? Do you disagree with his explainations? If so, why? etc etc

Garnaqsi;819695 wrote: Thanks for the elaboration. Well, I would argue I’m entitled to non-ambivalent take simply because of the lack of evidence. Consider what happens at a court of law between a claimant with no evidence and a defendant with no affirmative defence. Denial suffices on the defendant’s part. Even scientific-wise lack of evidence justifies out-right rejection unless there is a credible explanation as to why the evidence is missing. Moreover, if we were to require for one to take ambivalent position on all things with no evidence offered on their part -- as we sure have to be consistent -- that would open epistemological Pandora's box. It would be ridiculously impractical. So, essentially, your rejection is based on nothing more than doubt whilst at the same time leaning towards the opposite of religion without considering the same evidence based proof you claim to have looked for in making your decision to reject. Johnny, You're not convinced because you simply didn't bother

Alpha, don't know how you guys have put up with all the nonsense of trying to get things done here. I'm reafd to go back. Afternoon all

^what I'm asking you is, if you're not convinced, why the rejection?

Garnaqsi;818811 wrote: My answer will probably bore you because I don't have a particular pet-peeve (moral or otherwise) with the Koran. I'm just not convinced by its divinity. I see no evidence for the claim that it's a divine work. People purport 'scientific miracles' in attempts to show its supernatural nature but unfortunately these more often than not turn-out to be just like the one I was just addressing, so I don't think they even come close to being adequate at doing that. Can some sort of independent verification system be used to confirm that it's indeed divine? If yes, then good, but how? If no, then there's probably no good reason for anyone to believe it. You're looking for black or white. Islam is based on 'signs' that there is a creator whose words are the Quran. Those signs are contained in the Quran (see other thread). It requests its readers to 'think' (through the signs contained within it). Considering those signs have been confirmed scientifically later on (you're yet to state you believe otherwise), isn't that a good enough sign of it's divinity? If you're still not sure why the rejection? If, as you've stated, you're not sure about the Quran's divinity, why have you rejected it? You're clearly still to find out either way.

^Why not answer my question?

Garnaqsi;818094 wrote: That's a profoundly useless answer. Be specific. As to whether I've read the Koran, yes I've. (Do you want me to say more?). If you say so. I just see athiests throwing lot of blunt spears. Why did you reject the Quran?

Garnaqsi;818094 wrote: That's a profoundly useless answer. Be specific. As to whether I've read the Koran, yes I've. (Do you want me to say more?). If you say so. I just see athiests throwing lot of blunt spears. Why did you reject the Quran?

Garnaqsi;818037 wrote: If that was meant to be an answer to my post below... ... then it failed. Try again. As evasive as usual You do enjoy asking questions. Those are my observations. The other thread shows your biased from a 3rd party attempt at the basics. Wax la kaalay. Have you read the quran?

Waa sidaan sheegey. Their existence is due to ignorance of the basics. Johnny thinks in habaaar lagu tukado because he doesn't know the Quran. Waa wax uu meel kale ka maqlay. His pride refuses him to go and read and understand. The Israelis use scare tactics to justify their own existence in the holy lands. But, because they use reason, logic and rationale, we shouldn't expect them to know anything about what they refuse to understand. They will continue spewing the same stuff in repetition to try and hide their lazy mindset.

Maaddeey;817805 wrote: Horta, sow ma fiicnayn in Atheists-ka sol: Johnny-B, Raamsade, Garnaqsi & Burahadeer, nala wadaagaan waxay diinta Islaamka uga bexeen, ma kedis bay ahayd mise aayar-aayar?. Gof aan fundamentalska fahansaneyn taa la ma weydiiyo. I do wish they were honest in their discussions. Is marooji iyo ka wareeg iyo wax lagu soo buuxiyey oo kuu repeat-gareenaayaan bay hayaan. Bal maxaa u diiday in at the very least diinta wax ka bartaan? Who rejects something they clearly didn't bother to understand?

Maaddeey;817805 wrote: Horta, sow ma fiicnayn in Atheists-ka sol: Johnny-B, Raamsade, Garnaqsi & Burahadeer, nala wadaagaan waxay diinta Islaamka uga bexeen, ma kedis bay ahayd mise aayar-aayar?. Gof aan fundamentalska fahansaneyn taa la ma weydiiyo. I do wish they were honest in their discussions. Is marooji iyo ka wareeg iyo wax lagu soo buuxiyey oo kuu repeat-gareenaayaan bay hayaan. Bal maxaa u diiday in at the very least diinta wax ka bartaan? Who rejects something they clearly didn't bother to understand?

Atheists obsessed with religion xagee lagu arkay?

LOZ We are only observing and not commentating

Very refreshing. It was quite warm in the morning.

They still don't get it........

Archdemos;816695 wrote: yeah tell me about it. I'm exhausted after spending the weekend in Norf's old haunt, city of steel. Nice place it had very odd people who reminded me of characters from The League of Gentlemen (BBC Comedy) where they used to say; you're not from around here, are you? We also went to the local Somali cafe for a spot of lunch and all the young New Era cap wearing youths were in xuruuf mode. Nice wedding though. Plenty of pretty gals. Somali cafes are not the best up there. Kebabish is where I eat when in town. LoL at league of gentlemen. Glad you had a good time and hope you didn't stray offside

Cawaale, maybe not but like I told Maadeey earlier, Athiests haven't read scriptures but rely on 3rd parties for their info. A classic lack of understanding the basics is apparent in this thread. Maadeey's last post is quite interesting in terms of the title of the thread. Its been quiet since

All gone quiet here

I want to ban the stuff!

Planned for it since school. Now Its actually possible I realise the sacrifices one needs to make and I'm not so sure anymore. Not sure if I can put up with the nonsense that happens just to get things done. I think there are too many of us disconnected from 'home'. Whatever passport you carry you will always be ajaanib so look at how you can help or contribute. The next 3 weeks is decision time. Alpha, see you around

looks like hargaisa will double its solers next. Ngonge, I will let them know you dont drink tea. We will see their response