Sorry have to go home now,,,

^^loooool What are you affraid of? Marriage is a good thing.

On Xabashi invasion i think my stance is clear. On unity, The closest I got to agreeing with you on unity was between June 06 and Jan 07. That should tell you more.

Northerner is the guy I am having this discussing with and what’s making me doubt his intentions is I know his track record and I know that leopards don’t loose their spots. Nice one lol

^^lol There is myself, Dabshid iyo Hunguri but they are bachelors and i'm not Come and enjoy the weather - 38 degrees c today

The warlords and the ICU were both no secessionists are you claiming that they had the same political views? No If your answer to that is a NO, then how can you claim that the Stooges and a Somalist have the same political views? Never made such a claim but why doesnt the Somalist first of all recognise the stooges (those in power) are the ones doing the 'disuniting'. See how you are pointing fingers again without questioning the fact that unity cant be achieved with todays leaders in place (my earlier remarks on conditions being place etc)? The stooges get their fair share of questions from me Havnt seen you question them on their hipocracy with regard to unity and somalinimo (ie why shout unity last year and now cheers death and destruction). Other general questions maybe but not specifically relating to unity/somalinimo. Northerner where do you stand on the issues of Somali Unity and the war against the xabashis? Somali unity is a phrase thrown around without much understanding by those saying it. I'm not implying you dont understand what it means but many others simply dont. You cant be a supporter of any of the current despot leaders (Cadde, Riyalle, Yeey et al) and be shouting unity.

Maybe i should be a TFG fan and also shout unity. I wont need to worry about my fellow unionists questioning me

I'm an opportunist afterall

^^Terry got the captaincy because of the favourable London press who are anti scouse. Gerrard, Carragher, Crouch, Carson (LFC player) Arsenal - none LoL Man Utd - Neville, Ferdinand, Rooney (Richardson, Brown, Green)

^^No saxib. As i said i did not accuse you but other in you unity camp. The gallery will decide (if they have time going through three pages in midweek). Many of your threads are lengthy multiple pages. Now i know why! Xanthus, dont worry about me. He blows hot and cold as and when it suits him.

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: Labadiinu RECONCILIATION CONFERENCE baad u baahan tihiin ,,,,, and i'll be chairing that conference It has taken three pages for him to understand what i was saying and they were filled with a number of other misunderstandings. Now he is talking about my stance being opportunistic etc etc. 20 sanadood ayaanan la-isfahmayn hadu kani meesha joogo!

Me, Again, you are blurying what i said. I highlighted something you missed (TFG fans are also shouting Somalinimo) and asked you how come you havnt questioned them. I participation has been purely to highlight your reluctance to ask them (those who share your views on Somalinimo) questions. I think i have done that. peace and out!

We will let the audience decide if i accused you or not. If i did it was unintentional and i'm prepared to offer an apology (after the audience have decided). I'm not accusing you of supporting the TFG. I'm simply saying you should focus your energy more towards those who support them but also wave the unity and somalinimo flag. Are you prepared to have people shout somalinimo iyo unity but then hide behind an Ethiopian tank? I dont think you are. You should have asked them about their current stance rather than myself and others who are on your side in this conflict.

Its rich to see a secessionist talking about unity and all this time I thought you was allergic to the word No saxib, my understanding entails certain conditions/pre-requisits for unity. 'Fertile grounds' are required for farming and I dont see how a tulip can grow in the middle of the desert. Why don't you ask them yourself They would only shout 'secessionist' So Mr Me, can you ask them on my behalf?

ME says: Ta labaad, what is Somalinimo according to you? because you clearly got it wrong if you claim that those who support the Ethiopian invasion are actually supporting Somalinimo. Again, a lack of comprehension. I'm simply accusing the TFG/Ethio supporters of being hypocrits. Last year it was unity and somalinimo and today its blind support for the invasion and occupation. Get it? Hence why i was wondering how you (pro Unity/Somalinimo) never picked up on that. Why do you not see those who were patting you on your shoulder last year as being anti Somalinimo today for their pro TFG?Ethio stance? Is it out of convenience? I am just curious why do you lumop me together with those who you accuse of supporting the invasaion of Somalia, if your not accusing me of supporting it? It just shows ill will towards me, maxaan kaa galabsaday Be a man, say whats on your mind, don't beat around the bush. Again, i didnt lump you in with them (see my previous post). But, having read your thoughts on supporting TFG/Ethios is not equal to Somalinimo, are you prepared to pull them (TFG fans who shouted Somalinimo last year) up on that? Now, do you understand what i'm getting at? If anyone is not being genuine its you saxib

:rolleyes: Waar bal ya ilasooqabta? I see there is a lack of comprehension here. Let me break it down for your. You were very clear about what you said , but I am glad you took your accusations back, well done to you. I just wonder why would you throw around accusations that you can't back? This is what I wrote: Now, for the sake of transparency I would like for you to do the following. I would like you to ask those who are in the same camp as you ie ‘unity’ iyo ‘somalinimo’, to explain how their support for invasion, occupation, mass killings is in any way related to ‘unity’ iyo ‘somalinimo’. Now look at the key words here. ‘those’ in the same camp as ‘you’ and 'their' support for Ethios etc. You must separate ‘those’, ‘you’ and 'they' even though you are part of the same group (unity/somalinimo etc). Therefore, I did not accuse 'you' of anything rather I accused 'them'.

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Another Saudi article Festival of segregation An annual celebration of Saudi 'culture' highlights the kingdom's system of gender apartheid. Ali al-Ahmed Early spring in Saudi Arabia brings its fair share of natural wonders. But desert sunrises and shifting dunes aside, spring is also the time of one of the few secular festivals held in the kingdom, the Janadriya cultural festival. Janadriya is an annual event that includes camel racing, sword dancing, native craft displays and lectures by Saudi artisans and historians, among other things. International dignitaries are invited to visit or participate in some of the activities; as are some Arab Americans leaders who work in civil rights. From a distance, Janadriya appears as any other cultural festival until one takes a closer look. While men and women mix in the streets and markets of Saudi Arabia, even as women buy lingerie from mostly foreign men, the Saudi "reformer" King Abdullah bars women from joining their husbands and children from visiting the festivals. They must do so on separate days while no men are around, except, of course, for the religious police who appear to have a divine permission to be around women. This "cultural" festival is yet another example of the increasing problem of segregation between men and women in the desert kingdom touted by the Bush Administration as a trusted ally in the Middle East. What makes this most appalling is not that the staff of the US embassy in Riyadh visits such a festival but the fact that for the past few years, droves of leading Arab-Americans and Muslim-Americans have travelled thousands of miles to attend a festival of segregation. While they advocate for civil rights of Arab-Americans or Arabs living under Israeli occupation, they seemingly turn a blind eye to the plight of women in Saudi Arabia. Leaders such as James Zogby (founder and president of the Arab American Institute), Khalil Jahshan (former vice-president of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee), and Clovis Maksoud (director of the Center for the Global South) among many others have attended and participated in the festival. There are those, however, who have taken a stand against the discrimination of Saudi women. In mid-January the Spanish justice minister, Juan Fernando Lopez Aguilar, refused to give a speech at the Imam Muhammad bin Saud Islamic University in Riyadh after Spanish female journalists were banned from sitting in the same lecture hall in which he was to give his speech. The segregation between the sexes in Saudi Arabia has become more stringent in the last few years and its effects on Saudi women have been increasingly negative. In a society where women are forbidden from baring their faces in mixed company or driving cars even in cases of dire emergency, their autonomy and important role in home and family life can be their only outlet for freedom. Recent Saudi reforms, however, have been aimed at making the role of Saudi women diminish even in their own families by denying them access to events and venues where their husbands and sons can freely go and enjoy a meal at a restaurant or a Bedouin sword dance at Janadriya. And while some advancements have been made in granting higher education and work outside of the home to Saudi women, women are only welcomed in "gender appropriate fields" such as nursing and female education. The international community and the United States responded with great outrage to the imposition of race apartheid in South Africa. American companies and investment banks pulled business and resources out until the apartheid was officially ended and race discrimination was no longer practised. Should gender discrimination be considered any less appalling than racial discrimination? International outrage at the plight of the Saudi woman, which is arguably as severe as those conditions faced by blacks in South Africa, has been sorely lacking. Articles have been written and books published on the subject, but financial divestment and the resultant economic strife in the kingdom is a sure way to induce change in Saudi government and society. The fracturing of relationships between the sexes in Saudi Arabia is one of the cruellest examples of apartheid since racial discrimination was officially abolished in South Africa. Saudi women have lost the rights guaranteed to them under the religion of Islam and are now being relegated such a small societal and family role that the situation is becoming desperate. It is time for the United States and the international community to recognise the severity of gender inequality in Saudi Arabia, look past our economic needs in the region, and let the Saudi government know that the world will not stand for another apartheid. source

^^What with name change adigu?

Originally posted by me: Northerner thats just weak, because no one that supports Somalinimo and Unity would ever allow the occupation, the invasion and the mass killings. Nice try though. And to claim that these stooges are bringing Somalinimo only shows your contempt for the very idea of Somalinimo and the unity of our nation. You claim that I and people in the 'same camp' as me to have supported this invasion, occupation and mass killings. I want you to show me any thread that I have supported the Ethiopian invasion in my country. Show me one instance that I have supported anything that is contorary to the ideals of Somalinimo. LoL, please re-read my post. I didnt accuse you of supporting the Ethio invasion and occupation but i accused your fellow 'unity' and 'somalinimo' camp. Some of whom are happy with what is going on in the south. People you shared your vision with are today hailing the mass killings and indiscriminate bombings of Muqdisho. Hence, why i asked you to ask them 'what happened to 'unity' iyo 'somalinimo'? Can you do that? sorry for any inconvenience to your original intentions

^^That 2nd Kaka goal was just funny lol.

Why no quotes from the ONLF? Phone chat with AJE last night was good. He spoke well.

An indication of times ahead?

Your running around in circles Mr Me. Now, for the sake of transparency I would like for you to do the following. I would like you to ask those who are in the same camp as you ie ‘unity’ iyo ‘somalinimo’, to explain how their support for invasion, occupation, mass killings is in any way related to ‘unity’ iyo ‘somalinimo’. If you can do that,,,,,,,,

I see allot of the supporters of the secessionist enclave all of the sudden turning into Somali patriots and one can guess what’s motivating them. Do not mistake supporting muslims against gaalo iyo gaal raac as being patriotic. Ahh, but why not question your 'unity' and 'somalinimo' friends who are gloating over mass killings in the name of the aformentioned? Mise they are pro Puntland