If supporting SL and also speaking out against the TFG/Ethio/US alliance and their crimes against the people when there was peace after 16 years is hypocritical then i'm a big fat hypocrit! But (and its BIG but), why shout things like Somalinimo and champion M Hassan only to do things contrary to your ealier thoughts/opinions in supporting the TFG? That not also hypocritcal in your 'observer' stance (well it is Sunday) ya CG?

^^LoL They need Cognitive Therapy 'a form of treatment used to change someone's habitual patterns of thinking when these thoughts are damaging that person'

How can they deny? Because its convenient, it gets 'in the way' etc

looool, you mentioned Karim iyo Ali saxib. Just asking who they were. No one can beat Mr ALi but we are talking football here. Too bad you know nothing about it,,,,,,

Some SOL championers of the 'sayid' are also TFG fans. ^^Rudy,so you look Carabi? Dont go to LAX!

Fact noun [C or U] something which is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists dont hurt yourself now

^^I need to see evidence. I'm pretty sure they havnt met 7 times. I know they met in the 58 final and in 1994 but dont know of any others. But what pub quizz are you talking of? Viking, your right Ballack was suspended in 2002 finals. But Mrs D&D got it right with Custercurta in 1994. I thought you would have been the one who got it right.

Karim?? Ali??

^^lol My accusation sticks, yours dont. Simple enough for you?

ya walad! hada mush macquul loool Rudy, whats with the af carabi saxib?

^^do you expect me to take someone who cheers the TFG and Ethio seriously when it comes to this issue? Its a time saving exercise,,,,,,

A Walord’s Peace Guns rattle in the city of hope Music to my ears the warlords boast Cheerleaders clap and give toast Toasts to the future and who gains most Kill kill kill is in the air Women and children cower in despair Witness on TV their painful stare We cheer the warlord since we don’t care We talk of peace while the people only see death Destruction meets their return and the state of their property only at a guess Only six months ago their city was blessed Now we cheer the occupier who wears a cross on his chest

EDITORIAL Although Abdillahi Yusuf and Ali Geedi have been loudly proclaiming that they won the war against Mogadishu’s insurgents, such utterances should be taken with a grain of salt. Yes, the Ethiopian troops did force out the insurgents from their positions after relentless heavy bombardment, but many of those insurgents have simply melted into the general population and are still in Mogadishu, which means they may strike at any moment. So, in all probability this is not the end of the conflict, but rather the end of a particular phase and the beginning of another. The truth of the matter is that the situation in Somalia is as dangerously unstable as ever. Somalia’s Embagathi Faction (a.k.a Federal Transitional Government) cannot even stop its own militias from killing each other, let alone do something for the people. For instance, in Kismayo, the TFG’s coalition that took over after the Islamic Courts were defeated has split and one faction was chased out of Kismayo by the other. Serious disputes between various factions were also reported in Beledweyn which led to the declaration of a curfew there. On May 1st, one of Ali Geedi’s bodyguards opened fire on people at a market in Baidoa killing one person and injuring several others. When it is not their bodyguards or militias that are busy killing people, then the heads of the TFG themselves do it, as when Salad Jeele “deputy minister of defense” ran over a civilian with his car. The appointment of Mohammed Dheere to the position of governor and mayor of the Banadir region, and Abdi Qaybdid as commander of police is one indication of the desperation of the TFG. Mohammed Dheere and Abdi Qaybdid are notorious warlords. Both of them were against the TFG until they were driven from Jowhar and Mogadishu by the Islamic Courts. Mohammed Dheere’s contempt for Abdillahi Yusuf was such that once he called him, “a ****** street hustler.” So these appointments have all the markings of a marriage of convenience. The events that took place in Kismayo and other places, show that Ethiopian troops will have to occupy every city, town and hamlet in Somalia, outside ************ (Puntland), in order to keep it under the TFG’s rule. This is a tall order for Ethiopia, and it’s not in its interests. Source: Somaliland Times

^^Some heart tingling brovado there. My what true 'somalinimo' Disputed SSC parts make up approx 35% of the whole SSC regions in my book and thats being generous.

Response to Berhanu Kebede 4th May 2005 There is a Somali proverb that goes like this: “Baqashii fardo la mirataa dhiggood bay is mooddaa” - which literally means ‘The mule that grazes with the horses assumes it is of the same pedigree’. In a recent article (Guardian May 3rd 2007), the Ethiopian Ambassador to the UK, Berhanu Kebede, categorically stated that the transitional federal government of Somalia asked his country to save them from a certain brutal sub-clan. One can only conclude that such a statement has the influence of the backers of the Ethiopian mission in Somalia, the United States which uses similar phrases about saving the majority from the minority at the behest of the national governments in other areas of the world. Ambassador Kebede was bullish in his writing and was adamant that his government was in Somalia at the invitation of the TFG. This would have been ideal and acceptable logic only if the TFG were based in Somalia initially, or on the other hand was established in Somalia as a reconciliation government. This TFG which the Ambassador so legitimizes is neither the offspring of Somali needs, nor structured to solve the Somali crises, but rather devised and designed further to complicate and continue the conflict, not to mention having been forcefully imposed on the Somali people by his own government – the Ethiopian regime. The Ambassador confidently indicates that the TFG is internationally recognized as a national government for Somalia – which is itself questionable and one needs to ask who has being lobbying for it in the international corridors of power – none other than his own regime. However, what the TFG needs to function is not international recognition but rather the recognition and trust of its own people, and it certainly does not enjoy that decisive element. On the contrary, it is abhorred by the Somali people primarily on the basis that it is a government that has allowed the troops of an historical enemy to venture into the country. Typically of the representative of a tyrant regime, the Ambassador categorically denies the facts on the ground, and disputes and rejects realistic reports as orchestrated propaganda. On the one hand, he lauds the imaginary international recognition of the TFG, yet on the other minimizes the international outcry and dismay at the genocide and massacre by his government’s troops as non existent. Ironically the Ambassador upholds the word ‘international’ when it best suits his intentions and disregards it when it doesn’t. The victims of the invading troops of his country were countless civilians beyond doubt, and the Ambassador should note, however much he avoids from the fact, that the leaders of his country and that of the TFG will be brought to justice to answer charges of crimes against humanity when the appropriate time arises – however long it takes. Massacring hundreds of innocent civilians on the pretext of endorsing a regime that is suitable to Ethiopian’s policy in Somalia is not a matter that will be swept under the carpet in the long run. The Ambassador in his writing blames the recent conflict, and in fact the whole fiasco in Somalia, to one particular sub-clan, which he even names. This could not have been more frightening in actual terms, but in retrospect it is an apparent reflection of his government’s stance towards Somalia; dividing Somalis into clans and sub-clans and determining which ones are good and which ones are bad. One wonders who has given them the liberty to do so and in doing so, what is the discriminatory point they use in their determination. Nevertheless, the whole gist of his article which underlines his understanding as to the cause to the conflict being one sub-clan, clearly defines the strategic path of his government – to segregate and rule Somalia along clan lines. In his article, Ambassador Kebede refutes the human rights report in Mogadishu on the time of Ethiopian troops’ carnage in the city, though he does not have substantial evidence to discredit the report from a reputed organization. He links the chaos to the Union of Islamic Courts (UIC). After all, they sold their ill-conceived mission on the basis that they are fighting international terrorists, hence the automatic and unquestioning support from the US – thus they label any form of opposition to them as being linked with the magic word “terrorist”. Having said that, I think it is fair to ask the Ambassador and his government that since they have, over a period of a week now declared victory in Mogadishu, whether they have either eliminated or apprehended the extremist elements and known, wanted terrorists in Somalia. Having no evidence of them displaying such achievements, one only wonders whether this is in the same category as the weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq. Finally, it is bewildering to see Ambassador Kebede as a representative of a regime which is well known for its human rights abuses against its own citizens, claiming that his government is doing what is right in Somalia, regardless of whether he has the legal right to do so. However, it clearly demonstrates to the world the unfortunate and despicable situation that has combined with the dilemma that already existed in Somalia. Harbi Kullane kullane@gmail.com

Duke, for once we agree on something. I have three Zizou shirts. One a Juve shirt and two are France 2002 and 2006. Euro 2000 was the time i said to myself he is a great. He will sorely be missed.

^^please say people of 'parts' of SSC regions (the disputed regions are 'parts' and not all of the SSC regions). The SOL theory of the whole SSC regions being in dispute needs to die down.

Originally posted by Wisdom_Seeker: quote:Originally posted by Castro: quote: Mr. Holmes said he intended to ask the government to allow aid to reach its people while it tried to build on the fragile peace here. “It is their responsibility to look after civilians, to protect civilians and at the very least not to obstruct aid,” Mr. Holmes said. Funny isn't it that someone else actually has to tell the warlord regime to STOP blocking aid from the civilians who need it. This is the governmnet Qabilists who consume welfare in western countries support. Someone drop them in the middle of Somalia :mad: Bullet proof jackets, bomb blasts and a non-Somali telling you how to help the people by simply allowing aid to get through. I'm i missing something here? Is this govnt doing anything at all apart from photo ops and amateurish press releases?

Ayoub Sophist You're willing to die for "Somalinimo" but in the mean time you're cheerleading Yey despite all his criminal actions. He not cheerleading but just keeping quiet You will have Zenawi come out and shout 'somalinimo' next

Originally posted by Castro: This ultra-nationalism, at the "barrel of the gun" no less, is misused, abused and milked for all its worth and by every conceivable motive. Somalinimo is neither sacred nor eternal. Out of the 'millions' willing to die for it by any means none actually understand it. Somalinimo is just a term banded about to make one look more patriotic than others for self esteem purposes.

Royal Guard Mosque, Muscat, Oman Saeed Ibn Timor Mosque, Muscat, Oman

Hagia Sophia (Greek: Ἁγία Σοφία; Holy Wisdom), now known as the Ayasofya Museum, was an early Christian Church[1] and later an Eastern Orthodox church which was transformed into a mosque in 1453 by the Turks,[2] and converted into a museum in 1935. wiki

(Dear Deidre ) I know the District Line is slow but reading that page is taking the buskud

There was an interesting debate in the barbershop lastweek between myself, Somalis, Arabs and Africans. I just love to stir

Oh my it must it must be the middle of May