Originally posted by ThePoint: ^It's not all about the white man North. Asians and South Americans did it on their own. Just please leave Islam out of it. Say what? :confused: I was simply 'enlightening' Peacenow that the Europeans do not smell of roses. Not sure what your getting at. Thierry, good points.

Is Shar Ma'arke your younger bro? Keep us updated gents. I hope to wake to good news IA.

Must be the suit

Good question but then again why is the Congo with all it's gold, diamonds, iron ore, copper and zinc not a filthy rich country? What are western companies/countries doing financing rebel groups there? What happened to the rule of law?

^^They would only be criticised by SOLers

Define 'Islamist State' Muslim countries that have developed in recent years - Malaysia. UAE. Qatar. Bahrain. Oman. Why are all skilled workers in east Europe heading west to the UK? No development? What has stifled their development?

So you're basically saying the secular countries who use such policies to the disadvantge of poorer African countries is ok but blame Islam for everything including lack of development? Wow, great logic. ps that suit was made in China :cool:

Here we go again. When the heat is on you get emotional and go off on a rant. You are in Italia today eating all that pasta, pizza and drinking olive oil because a secular Somalia became an unpleasant place. You're also wearing your suit

Looks like alot of underhand/dodgy dealings was Kibeki's strategy.

LoL, i think you need to travel a little and see the word man (you're not alone in that respect). The same kaffir white man is making Africans poor with his CAP quota. Ps what colour is the suit?

Say what? I thought we were discussing business/regulatory practices? I know you have a problem with Islam (you're not alone, the first nor the last by the way) but this is getting silly now. ps the EU CAP quota is a secular policy hopes that ignites some thinking

^^earwhat blad. Lef ma team you get me?

Are you still the only black guy in Milan who goes to work wearing a suit? Dryclean the suit and tell me how Iran will NOT prosper if those sanctions were lifted considering the huge oil/gas reserves it sits on. When you're not in an emotional disposition of course

^^That was a long time ago saxib. Granted every people have their far share of racists but Somalis are more racists than Arabs trust me.

Originally posted by GJ_Goate: Has this shame existed in Somalia throughout it's 100 years of Islamic history?Or did it only exist during the last 17 years of enlightened secular rule? Was it not a secular rule before the uncivil war?

No arguments here. Just wished to differenciate between what you may wish to refer to as rule of law (criminal law) and unfair industrial laws which help others get ahead at the expense of the weak and the poor. Something I stated and to which you disagreed. One knows how laws come into being and how they may be exercised. Thats just academic and doesnt really play here. People thrive in the US more than they would in Iran because at the moment and for many a year Iran has faced sanctions imposed on it by the west based on laws/agreements formulated in the west (yes with all the knuts and bolts you mentioned). Or is all down to 'Islamism'? UN table with only 5 permanent members? US technology not allowed to be used by Iranian companies?

Yo, dude is 31, livin in his moms crib Ex-convict, was paroled there after his long bid Cornrows in his hair, still slingin, got a crew They break his moms furniture, watchin Comicview Got babies by different ladies high smokin L's in the same spot he stood since, eighty-five well When his stash slow, he be crazy Say he by his moms, hit her on her payday Junior high school dropout, teachers never cared They was paid just to show up and leave, no one succeeds So he moves with his peers, different blocks, different years Sittin on, different benches like it's musical chairs All his peoples moved on in life, he's on the corners at night with young dudes it's them he wanna be like It's sad but it's fun to him right? He never grew up 31 and can't give his youth up, he's in his second childhood Nas No matter where you are you will get these dudes but there seems to be a higher proportion among Somalis. Call it the process of assimilation but its been a while now. You meet them on the weekend on your visit to the 'endz' or maqaaxi. The usual nonesense and silly questions about your line of work, your salary, your address etc. After much encouragement to do something in life and many years he is still looking for his nieche. Lazy so and so! Forgive my rant.

^^LoL. Do you always believe what you're told? Especially by Somalis? If you ever hear an Arab call a black man cabiid I'll send you $10! You do the same when you hear a Somali say the same (in english/somali or arabic). Who do you think will make more money?

What about the EU's Common Agricultural Policy? Is this also a rule of law you was refering to? The same rule of law that has ensured poverty for millions of your black african farmers? Lets differenciate between general criminal law and internationl laws/agreements aimed at squeezing others shall we?

Rule of Law? Business Law or Criminal Law? I think your reference was to criminal law.

Business Laws, Int Regulations etc have always been formulated by the western govnts/businesses/trade unions etc. There is probably more to it but it will inevatably come to laws in place and the powerful backing given my govnts/lobby groups etc. Try reading 'The Undercover Economist' which is not a thick book by the way and all will fall into place.

^^^LoooL well played the Arsenal. The first two goals were handled by Eduardo though. Kolo Toure first name is Habib?? The Arab commentator kept refering to him as such. Great player and showed steal tonight.

Mayor's spokesman killed in Mogadishu explosion MOGADISHU, Somalia Dec 29 (Garowe Online) - The spokesman for the local government in the Somali capital, Mogadishu, died Saturday morning in a roadside bombing, witnesses said. Mohamed Muhiyadin Ali, spokesman for Mogadishu Mayor Mohamed Dheere, died at Keysaney Hospital from injuries he sustained after the roadside explosion. The late Mr. Ali was on his way to work when his vehicle hit the landmine. He escaped a similar attempt on his life earlier this year when he narrowly missed a roadside bomb. The perpetrators of this crime escaped, as has been routine in numerous other killings and bombings that have rocked Mogadishu since Ethiopian troops intervened in December 2006. No group has claimed responsibility for the bombing, but security officials believe it was the work of insurgent groups waging war on the government and its foreign allies. Mr. Ali was a respected Somali journalist and former editor of Xiddigta Panorama, an independent newspaper published in Mogadishu. Source: Garowe Online

Lets hope it s true IA.

No. I want to know what the Somali history lessons taught in schools were about. How far back did they go etc