^^He's too close to the point to see the point .

^^Well said, Che. Now, if the oldman is dead or alive weyba soo bixi doonta so people calm down, will you? There are more important things to think about right now-like the condition of Muqdishu.

Brown, no. I don't agree with you. As far as I am concerned, there is a political vacuum similar to that of Iraq when Saddam was overthrown. What we are basically dealing with here is that sort of political vacuum and the implications it has for the country. If its filled successfully, then it is good, if not, expect a situation 'similar' or worse than that of Iraq. Worse because, Iraq didn't get overthrown by its neigbouring Iran but by America. For Somalia, it is indeed heart breaking to have ethios taking control of the country.

^^ Rumsfield was on Iraq right? Lol, well we are dealing with a similar situation Castro.

Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibadda Oo Jawaab Ka Bixiyey Hadalkii Cali Maxamed Geeddi Somaliland.Org — Hargeisa, Somaliland — 27 December, 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hargeysa (Somaliland.org) – Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibadda Somaliland, mudane Cabdillaahi Maxamed Ducaale ayaa jawaab ka bixiyey hadal ka soo yeedhay Ra’iisul Wasaaraha Dowladda TFG, Cali Maxamed Geeddi, kaas oo waraysi uu siiyey BBC-da ku sheegay in Somaliland ay ka mid tahay Soomaaliya, isla markaana awaamiirta dowladdiisu ay saamaynayaan. Cali Maxamed Geeddi waraysigiisa oo maanta la dhegeystey, waxa uu ka hadlayey go’aanka dowladdiisa Baydhaba ay ku xidhay xuduudaha dhuleed, cireed iyo badeed ee Soomaaliya, kaas oo uu sheegay in Somaliland ay ka mid tahay dhulka uu saamaynayo. “Waxa fajiciso iyo amankaag ah in maamulkaas dhawaaqiisu yahay mid riyo ah, kuna salaysan dhalanteed ka fog xaqiiqada, ” sidaa waxa yidhi warsaxaafadeed uu caawa Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibadda Somaliland. “Sideedaba Somaliland iyada ayaa ka masuul ah ammaanka, maamulka iyo maaraynta dalkeeda guud ahaan, iyada oo aan cidna uga qaadanayn fasax talada dalkeeda, ” ayuu raaciyey. Warsaxaafadeedku waxa uu intaas ku daray in hadalka Cali Maxamed Geeddi uu dadka reer Somaliland ku soo kicinayo ladhka nabarro hore oo ay isilowsiinayaan, iyaga oo ka raacanaya dantooda. “Faranfardaynta degdegga ah ayaa Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland uga digeysaa duqaas isaga ah, ” ayuu yidhi Warsaxaafadeedku, waxana uu intaas ku daray in waxa keliya ee dhexmari kara dowladda Soomaaliya iyo Somaliland ay tahay derisnimo wanaag. Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibadda Somaliland, warsaxaafadeedkiisa waxa uu uga digey Shirkadaha leh gaadiidka Cirka iyo Badda ee ka goosha Somaliland inay u hoggaansamaan ama ay u dheganuglaadaan awaamiirta Cali Maxamed Geeddi, isaga oo sheegay in shirkadda u hoggaansata amarkaas ay xukuumadda Somaliland kala noqon doonto ruqsadda. Digniintani waxa kale oo uu warsaxaafadeedku sheegay inay la wadaagaan shirkaddahaas hay’adaha Qaramada Midoobey iyo kuwa Samafalka caalamiga ah. Ra’iisul wasaaraha dowladda Soomaaliya ee Baydhaba, Cali Maxamed Geeddi oo ay waraysatay BBC-du ayaa mar la weydiiyey in amarka xidhitaanka xuduudaha Soomaaliya ay ku jiraan meelaha maamuladu ka jiraan, sida Somaliland iyo Puntland, waxa uu si jeesjees leh ugu jawaabey, “Laan laan iyo waxaasi ma jiraan ee Soomaaliya waa Soomaaliya…”. Hadalkan ayaa waxa uu yimi iyada oo dowladda Itoobiya oo taageeraysa dowladda Cali Maxamed Geeddi ay ciidamadeedu ku khasbeen Maxaakiimta Islaamiga ah ee Soomaaliya oo ka talinayey Koonfurta Soomaaliya inay dib uga baxaan dhul badan oo ay hore u haysteen, isla markaana ay u gacangelisey dowladda Mr. Geeddi oo haysatey magaalada Baydhabo oo keliya. Xukuumadda Somaliland ayaa iyadu si cad ula safnayd maamulka Baydhaba iyo dowladda Itoobiya duullaanka ay kaga soo horjeedaan Maxaakiimta Islaamiga ah. Hadalkan ka soo yeedhay Cali Maxamed Geeddina ayaa muujinaya in maamulkiisu uu helay isku hallayn iyo cudud milateri oo uu ku muquunin karo cid kasta oo diidda maamulkiisa. C/risaaq M. Dubbad, Hargeysa.

^^Castro Sxb that is a fitting wise quote. Reer Muqdishu are now free from an urban warfare and what they do with this opportunity is up to them. Let us pray the warlords will not gain root in the city ever again. But a worse plague, in the form of Tigres, are now present in Mogadishu. Let us pray they do not infect the population. Che lol Now you and I can put down the cimaamad and become spectators. The sheikhs did the honourable thing and left the city. And what a beautiful and protective stance. Hadaan la kala roonaanin roob ma da'o sxb, Ethiopianna hadey masaakiin Muqdishu ku baa ba'do cidna u uurdabci maayo.

Dowlada Federaalka ah ee soomaalyeed ayaa magaalada muqdisho ku soo rogtay Xaalad Deg deg ah, oo ka bilaabanaysa maanta, ka Gadaal Markii Shacabku ay farxad daraadeed Meel walba u bur bur buriyeen, ama u biliqaysteen. Ciidanka Dowlada Federaalka ah ayaa loogu baaqay in ay xaalada Magaalada xasiliyaan, amniga goobaha ganacsiga iyo kala danbayntana dib u soo celiyaan, waxaana la filayaa in shacabku si nabadgalya ah ula shaqayn doonaan, maadaama iyagu ay u yeerteen dowlada Shacabka Magaalada Xamar ayaa dhamaan guryihii ay Madaxda Maxaakimiintu iyo ganacsadayaashii taageeri jirayba ku lahaayeen Magaalada muqdisho mid mid u bililiqaystay, iyada oo Guryahaan la sheegay inay yaaleen xoolo aduunyo iyo maal farabada oo badankood laga keenay xoolihii dekada Magaalada Muqdisho. Idamaale News ------- For the first time in many years, monetary remmittance is impossible to Mogadishu. Many who send bills to their families are told that money transfer agencies were looted and facilities destroyed. Many who have travelled back to Mogadishu during the UIC rule are trapped in the city with no hope of getting out. The city is at last back to the warlords. As a last stand, the UIC nobly vacated the city to avert death and damage. This is a stand which many were not expecting- and because of Mogadishu's importance, the UIC have treated it like a treasure whose safety comes before all other things. Now that they are no longer in control and has fallen under Ethiopian control, will Meles encourage warlords to get back to their old trade of chaos, since that has been the official policy of Ethiopia towards Somalia as long as we can remember? Or in rare occurance, would Meles bring law and order to the city? How would the TFG manage to share power within itself and how would it deal with Somaliland, which has not been part of Somali politics for more than a decade? Since A/Y is known to have had political conflict with the SL admin while PL's president, which when combined with Geedi's recents remarks comes across as hostile to SL, would the TFG find a diplomatic figure within it to maintain good relations with SL? Or since both the TFG and SL were to some extent Meles' clients, would he bring them closer or deepen the rift even more to ensure weakened and controlable TFG and SL?

^^ Aaliyah, I understand you. You are angry at the hastiness of the Courts. That is fair enough, there are many others who are angry just like you. There are those who believe there was an imposter within the Courts (namely; Indhacade) making deals with the TFG. But Aalyah, one thing you should know is that this time, we have to leave these questions for another time. The most pressing issue is to deal with the current existential threat of Tigre's marching into Mogadishu. This is something we have never expected in worst nightmares. So must do everything in the book to stop the Tigre from entering Mogadishu and capturing it. Because if that happens, it won't break the heart of those living in Mogadishu but all Somalis of all walks.

Waxa uu dhacayaa maalinta Sabtida ah 30/12/06 iyo kasoo horjeedka xafiiska R/W UK 10 downing street SW1A 2AA. Trainka ugu dhaw waa Westminister Jubilee line bususkana waxaa ka mid ah. 3, 11, 12, 24, 53, 87, 88, 91, 148, 159, 211, 453...iyo kuwa kale.

^Whatyoudoinginhere lady?

^^ It is springing up again, horn. If Hiiraale is back, and Maxamed Dheere is back..haven't they already sprung up? Or you still think Hiiraale isn't a warlord? [edit] Haven't you heard what Barre Hiiraale has been saying today? He has gone beyond where no other warlord has gone before; he said as long as he is fighting the UIC, he will collaborate with 'Yahuud' let alone Ethiopians. Ma nin miyir qabuu kuula egyahay ninkaa?

^^Abaadirow, ha degdegin. Nimankii wadaadada ahaa illaa Xamar laga fara-maroojiyo weli meesha kama bixine sidaa ogow. Malintii Xamar laga saaro ayey Soomaali u liidataa.

Originally posted by Pi: LoooL@ Abu Paragon. Qosol badanaa. Abu Paragan is the ICU version of Fiqqi Khayre. Xaaraam, waa ku sidee, ma maantaad 'Fiqih tolkii kama janno tago' igu maseysey Pi! Istaaqfurulleyso, Pi. Mar alle iyo markii ay xaajo dhii gaarto ayuu ragga intiise badan magacyada qarsadaa, anigusa, my name change heralds a new attitude to the entire situation of Tigre's marching into Xamar. So no more cyber talk. Abu paragon will join the fight, in real time.

TFGdu, 'maba dhalane dhawrtaysan ogaa'?

SumaraiW: Now, indulge me, what possessed you to declare chessamte in the game? SumaraiW, as elequent and foolproof as your arguments seem, I think you have one ingredient missing in your considerations. Firstly, the current fight came as a result of Indha-Cade's decleration. A hasty move from him without the consultation of either Aweys or Sharif, who were not geared towards the decleration of war; their's was much more sophisticated and well-planned with resources and personnel on their way. The UIC thus fought in an unready state, while wrongly following Indhacade's signals. Secondly, in scenarios of war, whether one is prepared or not, defence is always set up at places deemed strategic. The courts thus, as is natural to military tactics, have recalled their troops to fortify their treasured castle- which may as well be Mogadishu. Furthermore, the last few days' retreat has been a very valuable learning curve that adds to the military knowledge of the courts' top personnel. What you must pay attention to is the stand the courts are likely to take in the coming days and their deployed tactics. I tell you, whoever comes hastily, returns hastily. The courts have learnt not to be hasty this time, but the Ethiopians have yet to learn the same lesson. And by the way, the term “ululu’ is generally reserved for the “ladies” in the time of war. You would not be as bold as to equate your adversaries to be “ladies”, would you mate? Oh, do you think it takes boldness to equate the ethio-cheerings in this forum to ululation? Not really. I will ask you, what sort of an individual is the 'man' who becomes submssive to the enemy and takes him as his master? To call such a man a lady is indeed a respect, for he is the lowest of the low.

Strategically, isn't obvious to minimize the gaps between your batallions by reducing their expansive occupation? For better concentration of power and cohesion. Its chess, mate. A deadly one at that. Let us see what happens in few days. Don't ululate too soon boys, you might just lose your tongues as a result.

...Godin afley bey kula goobayaan geedkaad gashoba goynayaan.... goobtii kastay kaa kacansarayn godkaad qodatay bey kugubahayaan.. Guusha, Guusha! Guusha iyagaa leh!

Heestan waxaa leh Daafi Qurunleeyda, Daba Dhilifyadadooya ee dulleeysan Gafka uma dul qaataan, gardarada ma yeelaan, geerida ma diidaan.....Guusha iyagaa leh...

^^Adeer did you conveniently forget that you said: 'Now make the case for what u call a "defensive realist". First what does it mean?'

Baashi In Strategic or International Security Studies, where Realist Theory is dominant and applicable to everything external to the sovereign state's security, you wouldn't escape without hearing about John Mearsheimer's Offensive Realism. Mearsheimer simply campaigns for the accumulation of military and its total use to expand national 'interest'. He therefore suggests to make use of windows of opportunities, which some states may come to possess, such as being militarilly superior to other neighbouring states. In that case, the stateman should make offensive moves against these states, and if necessary, achieve territorial expansion. Much the same way Meles Zenawi is conducting his activities in Somalia. Since Mearsheimer wasn't simply an International Relations Theorist (read his interesting 'The Israeli Lobby' with Walt) only and happens to have an influence in America foreign policy, I would not be surprised if Meles read his work. Contrary to Offensive realism, there is Defensive realism, which only allows the development of military power in balance with other states(or Waltzian balance-of-power) and for defensive purposes is the one I favour most. A defensive state is never aggressive or offensive and never initiates invasions on neighbouring countries- the opposite of today's Tigre Regime in Addis Ababa. Defensive therefore rules out pre-emptive actions upon percieved external or internal threats. Internally, offensive realists are more likely to supress descent and pay no attention to domestic problems. Externally, the state doesn't respect mutually upheld international norms, unwritten as they may seem. Baashi, first tell me if my explanation makes sense to you and then we may continue with our fadhi-ku-dirir .

^^^ Lol, war anagaa wax aragney! When did I become the warmongerer? I am a defenssive realist sxb. Taa kadib, maneeno hadaa rabtid, waa laguu hayaa sxb. I am up for the challenge...a civilised fadhi-ku-dirir.

^^Lol Baashi I honestly couldn't see in the body of your writting 'the day of infamy' with which you've titled your topic. A mention in the first and last paragraph...and nothing else. All seemed like stating the obvious background history of the key figures..the colonels . Marka thats where my erm.. came from...caro ka dheer

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Click on which version you want - English or Arabic When the timer finishes, just click play again...it continues. PS: I was watching Prof. Cadow of the UIC in the news about Mogadishu Airport bombing- he has spoken very well.

Originally posted by Horn: I have made a direct choice to support the framework and institution-building reality of the TFG and it is not a secret but that does not mean I support Ethiopian interference nor do I condone the Ethiopian shelling of Somali towns and cities. In a nutshell, you support the TFG and oppose the UIC. With that initial point made clear, we can only deduct who you support ( willingly-the TFG and thus circumstantially, the Ethiopians). It all trickles down to that, horn. Noted.