Boondheere;740431 wrote: My brother i will putt my answer af soomaali because of its not anough my english language. 1.fiiri maxaad ula jeedaa system ka soo horjeeda against allah? ama baniaadam in loo worshipp gareeyo ama loo caabudo sidii inay iyaguba yihiin GODS(ilaaheey) first in western countres aniga iyo adigaba aan ku nool nahay waxaa ka jira freedom of religion. freedom of worshipping, qof kaa hor istaagna ma jirto inaad ilaahaaga caabudo. waxaad free u tahay worshipping places like masjids inaad dhisato. waxaad xur u tahay inaad hesho freedom os speech. waxaad tiri actually in democracy in western countres compare middle eastern un-democratic family rule system from todays kings and rulers in so called islamic counres throw history from inheritance system of caliphates hounred of years ago where goverment leaders come from one family throw inheretance system. kings and rulers are respected as they were gods themselves. forexample in UK or any western country i can call anytime an ***** the prime minister of the country whit out been afraid punishment unlike GOD LIKE man king caliph in un democratic countres from caliphate times until today, the king is Untouchable and above the law. marka worshipping humanbeing waxay ka jirtaa middle east and wadamada aan dimuqraadiga aheeyn. democracy= less worshiping leaders because in democracy you dont have life time leaders. or family clan goverment. dictitorship. xaqiiqdii islam itself waa democracy. first in the quran allah says LAA IKRAAHA FIDIIN. diinta qasab maaha. allahna uma baahna inaad adiga aad caabudid ee adigaa u baahan inaad allah aad caabudid. democracy is the best form of goverment. people choosing their leader and leader inay noqdaan dad lala xisaabtamo. unlike CALIPHATE systems which was DHAXALTOOYO. markuu caliph ibn hebel hebel geeriyoodo waxaa xukunka qabana WIILKIISII ciyaal maamaha ahaa ee cuntada ka dhargay. you have every right to ciriticize any system. thats democracy itself having freedom of speech. but people who enjoy living in western country who will never trade their life in UK, sweden america and so on whit a life in SOMALIA not even one day, those people still gloryfied they life the do not want their children to be in. for example people who support those stone age al shabaab who murder people in the name of islam. who want to turn clock back in to stone age, those who support that who still live in western countryes and enjoy living there. those who kill somalis our brothers and sisters. 95% of time are fellow somalis. not only SOMALIA even in other countres. for example afghanistan. only this year 85% of all deaths in first 6 month of 2011 was behind taliban. so majorty of people who been killed are killed their fellow muslims. we are somalis we should care first amd most our own people in somalia. people are starving because of fake islamist wahhabis called al shabaab and their war against their fellow somalis. 2.actually democracy is best form of governance . democracy allows your freely to pracktise your religion. democracy allows you not having god like king(caliph) who are above the law and when he dies the caliph hes SON will inherit the goverment like its a clan proberty. so we need islamic democracy. we most take all good things of democracy, whit islamic face. Hoorta 1. Allaha swt wuxuu quraankiisa ku yiri They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilah (God - Allah) La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)." waxay ka yeesheen culimadoodii iyo suufiyadoodii Eebayaal ilaahay ka sokow iyo ciise ibnu maryama waxaan cibaadada ilaahay kali ah ahaynna lama farin. Eebe mooyee ilaah kalana ma jiro waana ka nasanyahay waxay la wadaajin. (Q 9:31) Once while Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) was reciting the above verse 'Adl bin Hatim said, "O Allah's Prophet! They do not worship them (rabbi and monks)." Allah's Messenger said, "They certainly do. They ( i.e rabbis and monks) made legal things illegal, and illegal things legal and they ( jews and christians) followed them; and by doing so they really worshiped them." (Narrated by Ahmad, At Tirmidhi and Ibn Jarir). (Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol.10, Page No. 114) In modern day democracy people are being worshipped as gods because they make legal things illegal and illegal things legal and this is what i meant by people being worshipped as gods. In these democratic countries god is not the legislator but man is, so in reality what happens is that man is elevated to the position of the legislator and in islam this is known as Shirk. So in real sense this is a system which is against god. You keep mentioning that as muslims we are allowed to practise our religion freely in these gaalo countries but you fail to mention the obstacles muslims face in these gaalo countries. Raxaade ah ka hadleysa saaxib ???? war naga jooji beenta sxb Sii fiicaan maa uga jawaabi karta su'aasha aan kuu weeydiyey?? waxaa tiri actually democracy is best form of governance are you saying that democracy is better than islam or are you implying something else????

Boondheere;740378 wrote: gaal waa gaal. gaalka ama non muslims waxay xaq u leeyhiin diintooda inay heeysaan. shacabka muslimka iyo shacabka aan muslimka aheeyn(gaalo) waa inay this planet earth si nabad ah ugu wada noolaadaan. waxaa cajiib ah adigoo qaxooti ku ah wadan gaal leeyahay. nabadgelyo ku siiyeen. baasaboorkoodii ku siiyeen. ku siiyeen freedom of worshiping. inaad diin´taada ilaaha caabudid. inaad masaajid dhisatid. wanaagaas oo dhan oo aadan ka heleyn so called muslim nations. orod sacuudi arabia ha ku siiyo baasaboor sacuudiyaan ah. orod sacuudi arabia ha kuu ogolaado caruurtaada iskuul inay dhigtaan. brothers munaafaqnimada ha la joojijo. gaaladada wadamadooda nolol fiican ayaan ku heeysanaa. mana haboona dadki ku soo dhaweeyey inaad necbaato, allah ayaa qurankiisa ku yiri LAKUM DIINAKUM WALIYA DIIN. you have your religion and i have mine. qof waliba xuriyad ha ku noolaado. sidoo kale allah qurankiisa wuxuu ku yiri LAA IKRAAHA FI DIIN. diinta qasab maaha. aniga waxaan u aqaanaa munaafaq ninkii ku nool western countres iyo wadamadan democracyga walina wax ka sheegaya systemka ay ku dhaqmaan wadamadan horay u maray . If you believe in a system that it is against Allah and where men are worshipped as gods as being a true and just system then there is something wrong with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How can a believer defend such a system and label those who criticze it Munafiq???? You are saying that we should all live in peace but how can we when they attack our religion, kill our brothers & sisters, oppress us and steal our wealth ?? Allah swt says Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity. ( 60:8) It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zalimun (wrong-doers those who disobey Allah). (60:9) Let me ask you one question. Do you think democracy is better than Islam????

Baarqab Qooqay;739778 wrote: a small gift to all brothers and sisters who love the holly quran. Surah al Rahman surah al hijr surah ibrahim surah al hashar surah al jin + somali transliteration of surah al jin Download those 5 beautiful sura to your mp3 player or phone and then listen wherever you are. May Allah Guide us all to Truth and keep us on the straight path. Asalam Aleikum Ameen thanks for the upload but is there any specific reason why you mentioned those surahs ? pls do tell Waelikum Salam

2. Helping the Kuffar against muslims Praise be to Allaah. The scholars of Islam have stated that it is not permitted to support the kaafirs against the Muslims, and that that is kufr (disbelief) and riddah (apostasy), because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them” [al-Maa'idah 5:51] The fuqaha’ of Islam, the imams of the Hanafi, Maaliki, Shaafa’i and Hanbali madhhabs, and other fuqaha’, have stated in their books that it is haraam to sell them anything that may help them against the Muslims, such as weapons, equipment, riding beasts, etc. So it is not permissible to give them food or to sell them food, drink, water, tents, trucks, vehicles, or to make contracts with them to provide maintenance, transaportation, etc. All of that is haraam and the one who consumes profits on such transactions is consuming haraam things, and the Fire is more fitting for him. It is not permissible to sell them even a date or to give them anything that they can use against their enemies. Whoever does that deserves Hell, and the Fire is more fitting for all evil earnings. Indeed this is one of the most evil of evil things. It is not permissible to give them anything that may give them the slightest help against the Muslims. Al-Nawawi said in al-Majmoo’: With regard to selling weapons to ahl al-harb (those who wage war against the Muslims), it is haraam according to scholarly consensus. Ibn al-Qayyim said in I’laam al-Muwaqqi’een: Imam Ahmad said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade selling weapons at times of fitnah (tribulation)… It is obvious that selling them is helping others in sin and transgression. This also applies to every sale, rental or exchange that helps people to disobey Allaah, such as selling weapons to kaafirs, aggressors and bandits… or renting one’s house to someone who will set up a place for sin in it, or selling candles to someone who will use them to disobey Allaah, and other actions which help people to do that which Allaah hates and is angry with. End quote. In al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (25/153) it says: It is haraam to sell weapons to ahl al-harb (those who are waging war against Islam) or to those who are known as bandits who attack Muslims or who stir up fitnah among them. Al-Hasan al-Basri said: It is not permissible for a Muslim to take weapons or horses to the enemies of the Muslims which will strengthen them against the Muslims, or anything that will help them to acquire weapons and horses, because selling weapons to ahl al-harb strengthens them to fight the Muslims and motivates them to declare war and continue fighting. This issue is not the matter of ordinary or minor sins, rather it is a matter that has to do with the basis of ‘aqeedah (belief) and Tawheed (belief in the Oneness of Allaah), and the Muslim’s support and loyalty towards the Religion of Allaah and his disavowal of the enemies of Allaah. This is what was stated by the imams in their books. Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Fataawa (1/274): The scholars of Islam are unanimously agreed that whoever supports the kaafirs against the Muslims and helps them in any way is a kaafir like them as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)” [al-Maa'idah 5:51]. http://islamqa.com/en/ref/33691

Asalam Aleikum Xiinfanin you say that TFG is not a kufr entity then you should bring evidence to show that they are not upon kufr. As far im concerned they are outside the pale of islam for the following reasons but before i give the reason i thought to briefly define what riddah means just to clarify things Apostasy (riddah) and going out of Islam are things that may be done in the heart, on the tongue or in one's actions. Apostasy may take place in the heart, such as disbelieving in Allaah, or believing that there is another creator alongside Allaah, or hating Allaah or His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Apostasy may take the form of words spoken on the tongue, such as defaming Allaah or the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Or apostasy may take the form of outward physical actions, such as prostrating to an idol, mistreating the Mus-haf, or not praying. you can read more about it on http://islamqa.com/en/ref/14231 1. Ruling by other than what Allah swt revealed Judging or ruling according to other than what Allaah has revealed is contrary to faith and Tawheed, which are Allaah’s rights. It may be counted as kufr akbar (greater kufr) or kufr asghar (lesser kufr) according to circumstances. Kufr akbar will make a person no longer a Muslim in cases such as the following: If he issues laws and regulations other than those revealed by Allaah, because the right to issue laws belongs to Allaah alone, Who has no partner, and whoever “competes” with Him in a matter which is His alone is a mushrik, because Allaah says: “Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods), who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed?” [al-Shooraa 42:21] If the one who rules by other than that which Allaah has revealed denies the right of Allaah and His Prophet to rule, as is mentioned in Ibn ‘Abbaas’s comment on the aayah:“. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon.” [al-Maa’idah 5:44]. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: “Whoever rejects what Allaah has revealed is a kaafir.” If he prefers the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is in absolute terms or just in a few matters. Allaah says: “Do they then seek the judgement of (the Days of) Ignorance? And who is better in judgement than Allaah for a people who have firm Faith?” [al-Maa’idah 5:50] If he regards the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal. Allaah says: “. . . Then do not set up rivals unto Allaah (in worship) while you know (that He Alone has the right to be worshipped).” [al-Baqarah 2:22] If he thinks that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts the rule of Allaah and His Messenger, or he believes that it is not obligatory to rule according to what Allaah has revealed, or that the matter is optional. This is kufr which is contradictory to faith. Allaah revealed: “O Messenger! Let not those who hurry to fall into disbelief grieve you, of such who say: ‘We believe’ with their mouths but their hearts have no faith. And of the Jews are men who listen much and eagerly to lies - listen to others who have not come to you; they say, ‘If you are given this, take it, but if you are not given this, then beware!’ . . .” [al-Maa’idah 5:41]. He says: “Go to Muhammad (peace be upon him), and if he tells you that the ruling is lashes, accept it, but if he commands stoning, ignore what he says. Then Allaah revealed “. . . And whoever does not judge by what Allaah has revealed, such are the kaafiroon (disbelievers)” [al-Maa’idah 5:44]. If he does not rule according to what Allah has revealed out of stubbornness and arrogance, he is a kaafir and has left Islaam, even if he does not deny the rule of Allaah. Stubbornness and arrogance may mean negligence and turning away, as Allaah says: “Have you seen those (hypocrites) who claim that they believe in that which has been sent down to you, and that which was sent down before you, and they wish to go for judgement (in their disputes) to the Taaghoot (false judges, etc.) while they have been ordered to reject them. But Shaytaan wishes to lead them astray. And when it is said to them: ‘Come to what Allaah has sent down and to the Messenger,’ see they hypocrites turn away from you (Muhammad) with aversion.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:60-61] Among the things that may be counted as ruling by other than that which Allaah revealed and kufr akbar is what Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem said about man-made laws and ruling by them: “This is the worst, the most obvious and comprehensive opposition to sharee‘ah and rejection of Allaah’s laws. This is competing with Allaah and His Messenger, contradicting His laws in their preparation, support, structure, ruling and references. The above is a summary of the things that may imply that ruling by other than that which Allah has revealed is a form of shirk akbar (major shirk): (1) Ruling by other than that which Allaah has revealed. (2) Denying the right of Allaah and His Messenger to rule. (3) Preferring the rule of falsehood to the rule of Allaah, whether this is complete or only in a few matters. (4) Regarding the rule of Allaah and the rule of falsehood as equal. (5) Thinking that it is permissible to rule by something that contradicts what Allaah has revealed, or believing that ruling by what Allaah has revealed is not obligatory or is optional. (6) Refusing to rule by what Allaah has revealed. By examining this topic from different angels, it becomes clear that what is counted as kufr akbar is the following: Abolishing sharee‘ah as the law governing a country, as Mustafa Kemal (“Ataturk”) did in Turkey, as he abolished the book Majallah al-Ahkaam al-‘Adliyyah which was based on the Hanafi madhhab, and replaced it with man-made laws. Abolishing sharee‘ah courts. Imposing man-made laws, such as Italian, French, German law, etc., to judge between the people, or mixing these laws and Sharee‘ah, as Genghis Khan did in his book al-Yaasiq, which combined laws from different sources; the ‘ulamaa’ (scholars) ruled that he was a kaafir. Confining the role of sharee‘ah courts to so-called “civil” matters, such as marriage, divorce and inheritance. Setting up non-sharee‘ah courts. Discussing sharee‘ah in parliament and voting on it; this indicates that implementing sharee‘ah is conditional upon a majority vote. Making sharee‘ah a secondary or main source, along with other sources of law. Even when they say that sharee‘ah is the primary source of legislation, this is still kufr akbar, because it means that they are allowing the adoption of laws from other sources too. Stating in the clauses of legislation that reference may be made to international law, or stating in treaties that in the case of dispute, the matter may be referred to such-and-such non-Islamic court. Criticizing sharee‘ah in public or in private, such as saying that it is rigid, incomplete or backward, or suggesting that it is incompatible with our times, or expressing admiration for non-Islamic laws. As regards the question of when ruling by other than what Allaah revealed is kufr asghar, which does not exclude a person from the ummah of Islam: the answer is that this may be the case when a ruler or judge passes judgement according to other than what Allaah revealed out of disobedience or on a whim, or as a favour to someone, or because he was bribed, and so on, although he believes that it is obligatory to judge according to what Allaah has revealed, and that what he has done is a sinful and haraam deed. As regards the one who is governed by a non-Islamic law, if he refers to it out of choice, then he is a kaafir whose kufr akbar means that he has left Islaam. But if he has no choice but to refer to this law, and does so reluctantly, then he is not a kaafir, because if he had been able to resort to sharee‘ah, he would have done so, and he believes that this non-Islamic law is false. http://islamqa.com/en/ref/974

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Asalam Aleikum As a muslim i am really angered by what people post on this forum and how most of us are really laxed and not bothered at all when some people who claim to be muslims mock the religion and nothing is done by the moderators i wonder why?? You have some people who are advocating for kufr and yet they call themselves muslims?? In addition some of us muslim brothers are insulting our sisters and calling them names that i find are to vulgar and disgusting I came across this forum about 2 yrs ago but i did even bother to join due to the reasons mentioned above. To be frank i was faced with a dilemma whether to join or not but i decided to join recently so that i could at least do something about it instead of backing away. I once remember one member who had the following as his/her sign A hairy arab in a cave is not my leader is it only me who finds the above sign to be offensive?? i mean who is that person referring to?? is it arabs in general or the prophet since he was the one who received the revelation at cave hira. I really hope that member was banned if he was implying the latter. Sidaas darateed waxaan ini koo codsanaaya ina ay dadka nocas ee forumka laga "banngareyaa" Waleikum Salam Warahmatullahi Wabarakatu