Alpha Blondy;913911 wrote: Nuune, i recently came across a shocking revelation. aaliyaah has listed herself as available on her local mosque (abu hafsa) marriage register. chances are that she'll be introduced to a reverted ex-convict. i don't habour any feelings for aaliyaah anymore. she can do what she wants. i'm not particularly concerned by her choices anymore. i will not lower any gazes from now on and will STOP the PM's, which considered mostly of romantic islamic poems. edab yeelo inanyahow.

As they say educate a woman and you educated a nation. Mashallah. Walee wa la noqonayaa, sooner than we think.

Narniah;913842 wrote: Aaliyah I stand corrected. I mean't a lot of Somalis do steal from the System. Obviously not all. I kind of figured what you were trying to say. Anyhow, it was entertaining to see them all get defensive - perhaps now they will leave the reverts alone.

interesting development.

Ilaa iyo hada mala murmayaa bisinka.

Che -Guevara;913765 wrote: Aaliyah. If you reread the the thread, the conversation moved from original point which had some letigimacy. This was not about revert bashing. The whole conversation started from bashing those who choose to marry reverts. Some of what was mentioned might be true in some cases, but it shouldn't be generalized.

Che I am not the one who lumped any group be it reverts or Somalis. Marka idinkuma jiro LOL

Narniah somewhat lumped all somalis together. Which is exactly what most people on this thread were doing with the reverts. How does it feel now? being at the receiving end? LOL... Hadaba all of you joojiya generalizationka...Dad walba dad xun iyo dad san weey leeyihiin.

Narniah, well said. But, tone it down a little LOL..(Adna somaalida daalac ha u raacine!)

Soo true @ YOLO. LOL..laakin nasashada haku talax tagin. Moderation is best in all things.

Che -Guevara;913624 wrote: Aaliyah....I think GG is saying there's subset of women who retire common sense when it comes to marrying reverts, in other words, they go out above and beyond to please these reverts while ignoring their own needs. Somali men are not afforded the same courtesy or might even denigrated. Things like marrying someone who just did a stint in prison makes no sense. She condemns her and her kids to poverty as criminals are unemployable.In any case, I guess it's their life at the end. On the positive side, atleast our girls haven't labelled like Asian chicks dating white guys, a phenom in the states. Asian girls are... Walaal, not all reverts were prisoners it is just another misconception out there. And those among the reverts who were in prisons and changed their ways who are we to say a somali girl can't forgive and overlook his past...the same way many somali girls overlook the past of many somali young men who also committed crimes. I personally wouldn't marry someone who been to a prison whether he is a somali or not. But, not everyone is paranoid by nature like me some people out there don't mind taking risks. And Allah swt accepts people's repentance so again who are we to keep reminding them of their past.....bottom line live and let live. Lets not make decisions for other people. If their marriage works it worked for them, if it doesn't work they will face the consequences of it. Kii is dhahana umadana ayaan wax ku dhaama hasoo barto sida dadka wax loogu sheego asago cirka isku shareerin oo dadka aflagadeen.

LOL@ Reeyo. Alhamdulilah I'm having a great day too despite that it snowed this morning like crazy and came to work somewhat late. But, my boss rocks.. Apophis next time give him food. And like Reeyo pointed out smoking kills. I never understand why anyone would smoke.

*Blessed;913305 wrote: Aaliyah, not to put you off but red is the hindu wedding colour, some Muslim indians wear green to be different. But don't be put of every colour can be traced to a religion if we look hard enough, our people are colourful, so nothing is off limits but the white kurdad iyo googarad and the sadex qayd have been with us, even before the dirac. So its not something we got from the christians. White wedding dresses, rings and cakes we learnt from the colonialists.. Thanks for pointing that out. I have seen indians wear red, but never thought that it was based on their religion.

The results of a handful of somalis who married outside of their ethnicity isn't enough evidence to say one way or the other. And anyways we are not here to say the ajanabi marriage is better or not. Garowe girl was insulting those who choose to marry outside of their race.. And, I simply wanted her to refrain from her unnecessary comments like "ajanabi lover" "self hating" etc...

My point was that both marriage can fall apart and just because a somali sister married a Somali guy doesn’t mean she is guaranteed a lifetime of happiness. Laakin hadaan ka hadalo in la gogol fadhiisto oo la isku dayo in guur la badbaadiyo waa runtaa tii soomaali guursata la isku dayi kara in la saacido. Laakin waqtiga la joogo run ahaanti badana dhalinyaradu dhaqan maba leh dad loo gogol dhigtona maba aha. Many of them get divorced regardless the tremendous effort by their families to keep them together. At the end of the day it is the couple who will maintain their family not the relatives. I am not here to say that somali-somali marriages are this or that, but simply put no one is perfect. Every marriage comes with its issues. Let me also add the high divorce rate that somalis suffer from nowadays is somali-somali marriages. Only a handful marries outside of the somali community. It is not even an issue - hadana waxaad arkasa dad badan oo ka gubanaya.

GaroweGal;913324 wrote: Aaliyah I am not sure what you’re talking about. No one is arguing that people shouldn’t marry who they want but I just pointed out the sheer hypocrisy of the self-hating, ajanabi-loving so called Somali sisters who go out of their way to demean and denigrate our Somali brothers in order to justify their obsession with other men from other races. I also cannot stand and I have no space or time for people like you who try to defend or make some sort of excuse for those kind of Somali-bashing, self-hating sisters. I cannot fathom why you would want to normalize or push such a twisted agenda on us. For example, one of your favourite inspirational speakers i.e Brother Mohamed Diini was warning us in one of his lectures that he is always ashamed and embarrassed to see Somali girls are the first put their hands up and are ready to run after an Ajanabi. He urged us Somali girls and boys to stick to their own race. He emphasized that this phenomenon is prevalent and so pervasive in the Somali communities throughout the diaspora . Anecdotally, I have heard some horrible stories involving self-hating Somali chicks who run away with Ajanabi only to come back to the community distraught and depressed. When a Somali brother wants to marry a Somali sister, the girl's family will do some background check to ascertain his suitability, character and Deen, however with converts they get away with so much as no one knows their family or background. Islamically, the four imams unanimously encourage and recommend one to marry within his own race. Also, in Islam one should check the person's akhlaq or character as well as their diin. However, it appears many of those self-hating sisters are mesmerised by a convert's big-beard or that he is a brand new Muslim, so he must be a special catch. By the way, Somali guys are not immune from this disease. I have seen some eligible and educated Somali guys marrying outside the race, and this equally disturbing. Garowegirl again you are continuing with the generalization. Just because a Somali sister chose to marry another race just does that mean she is a self hating? Does that mean she is going to demean her Somali brothers? That is not to say there aren’t few who do that but you don’t need to lump everyone together. Speaking about our brother Diini I never heard him say that and if he did I wouldn’t know why he would be embarrassed about his sisters marrying outside of their race. That’s their choice and islamically permissible as long as the individual is a muslim. As for his advice to stick to your people I actually have said that many times on Sol. I believe that people should marry within their race and that it makes their life so much easier. Especially those who are cultured like myself. But, does that mean I am going to push everyone to see things the way I see? People have different personalities and will do as they please. There is no need for anyone to sit on a high horse and get on other people’s business especially with the tone that you showed. Some of what you mentioned might hold true. But, remember not everyone who marries outside of their race falls into that category. And, you seem to be so focused on those who marry outside of their race. Why don’t you also point out those who marry within their race but don’t really look at the akhlaaq and the person instead are so focused on the guy’s beard for example? And your last line even confirms further that you have issues with people marrying outside of their race. It is one thing to not support such marriages. It is another to show distaste. Apophis, illustrates one example of how his sister married a convert and her marriage didn’t work. And I myself have seen many such cases. But, I have also seen Somali guys mistreating Somali girls and not knowing their values. Maanta guursdey bari buuu furay and some go as far as not supporting their kids financially. So it is not greener on either side. Marka hala is ihtiraamo. P.s As for the background check how do you expect a somali family to do a background check on a convert? they will try to ask a shiekh here or there but not that much they can find. And to be truthful even on a somali guy a background check wouldn't suffice nowadays. We don't live in a small village where you can know a good deal of someone.

Garowe girl hun no need to generalize. It all boils down to the couple if they want to have a big or a small wedding regardless of their race. I have seen somali girls who married somali guys and did not demand much. It is one thing to want a somali spouse for yourself and being cultured. It is quite another to be disrespectful to other people simply because they dont share the same values. Halaga caqli bato intaas.

Red is a beautiful color hun. Why not

I heard that Ethiopians eat raw meat. But, I am not going to watch this video. The very thought of seeing someone eating raw meat makes me want to puke. Wlc back Zack. Waa lugu waayey

Garowe girl, the somali community isn't too supportive of people who marry outside of their race. So even if they do have a wedding perhaps the parents don't even want to invite the whole city to the wedding as they would if their daughter or son married within their race. Those weddings are usually small and only few close people are invited. I guess to sort of keep it low key. As for the color of the wedding dress...islamically speaking you are suppose to be different and not follow the ways of the Christians. And probably it would be recommended strongly that you choose a different color. Gold or red dress would be nice.

Congrats to Xaawa Aden. Mashallah wey mudantahay dayasho.

That is one profound hadith. Thanks for sharing

You are right abt the tax all the stress and the heavy debt. But I believe doctors get paid the most in the west so many choose to practice here despite all that. However if one chooses to live back home he/she might not get paid a lot but compared to the cheap living standard they should lead a rather nice life. And then again money isnt a factor for some and they rather help their ppl back home.

Chinese medical schools are good alternative. They are cheap and from what I heard decent. But, there is that disadvantage that if you wanted to work in the states or Canada or even in the UK. There are other systems in place where you have to again adjust to and probably do more examinations..but you know at least you won't have the same debt as the person who chose to study medicine in the states or here. So it has its benefits and disadvantages. At the end of the day it is not about where you studied, if you work hard you will make it. But, only do that as the last alternative. Try to pursue medicine in the country you reside in that way you won't have difficulty finding residency.

lol maxaad il gaar ah igu fiirisa Juxa. Inshallah I hope that we all do well. Qofna isku haleen ma leh. Somali waxey ku maahmaahda qofwalba sacabadiss ayuu biyo kaga dharga.