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Global Voices Leaked Documents Show That Ethiopia’s Ruling Elites Are Hiring Social Media Trolls

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This is not news!

 

I assure you, Cadnaan, that not only OO but many others on Sol— now and over the years— were and are still part of the army of trolls of the Tigray online spy apparatus.

 

Their objective and mission on SOL has always been to sow discord and subterfuge upon anyone advocating for a peaceful Somalia and the interests of Somalis in general.

 

... and they do the same on many other forums and websites owned and operated by other diaspora communities of the Horn of Africa.

 

 

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Ducale   

There are no trolls  here. No tigaray agents and no bogeyman.  Waa soomaali who believe their political interest lies with orthodox Christian ethiopia, instead of Somalia. Kililka shanaad and somaliland led by the jeegaan cult are volunteers who took a solemn oath to protect the interest of  mamma ethiopia.

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I disagree.

 

Granted most Somalis on SOL are here to yap about what they perceive as the interests of their respective clans post the civil war, but I assure you behind some of them are paid Tigray agents and informants (who can be Somalis by birth too) whose job here is to cloak Tigray interests as the interests of some Somali clans— a prime example being the secessionist agenda of the Jeegan supporters.

 

Ask yourselves this: Whom does the breakup of Somalia benefit the most? Does it benefit the average reer Sheikh Ishaaq nomad or the Tigray regime who sees a resurgent Somalia a threat to its hegemony in the Horn of Africa?

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Holac   

Somaliland and Puntland, take notice. Pay the trolls or they may not defend you 100%. Only 99% will be given for free :)

 

Jokes aside, this is utter nonsense. Corrupt Ethiopian elites don't have the vision to even think about helping their country's online reputation by paying social media trolls. They would rather pocket the money themselves and let the country crumble.  But even if it was true, what is the problem? Unlike all the Somali trolls who defend their clan fiefdoms here on SOL,  the TPLF trolls getting paid defending their Tigray clan fiefdom is fine with me.

 

Not long ago, I remember the opposition accusing Farmaajo of having an army of paid villa Somalia trolls harassing the opposition on social media?  Welcome to the modern world. 

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Holac, 

 

Nobody claims these trolls working for the Tigray regime are here to promote Ethiopia’s reputation in the eyes of the world. No... That was not what was being said, if you’d only paid attention.

 

I said, the cumbrous trolls we speak of are deliberately planted into the forums, blogs, websites and social media spaces of groups/communities whose general unity the regime considers a threat to their power. They sow discord and misinformation which prevents the users of these spaces to sensibly debate and discuss issues pertaining to their respective communities.

 

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Oodweyne   
23 hours ago, Tillamook said:

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Holac, 

 

Nobody claims these trolls working for the Tigray regime are here to promote Ethiopia’s reputation in the eyes of the world. No... That was not what was being said, if you’d only paid attention.

 

I said, the cumbrous trolls we speak of are deliberately planted into the forums, blogs, websites and social media spaces of groups/communities whose general unity the regime considers a threat to their power. They sow discord and misinformation which prevents the users of these spaces to sensibly debate and discuss issues pertaining to their respective communities.

 

 

 

So according to the "infinite wisdom" of our Tillamook, those who advocate for the political cause of Somaliland, are stooges and trolls of Ethiopia. And they in turn, don't have any "independence agency" of their own to think, reason, and to deliberate, as to why Somaliland's independence may be the "optimum solution" in the light of their political experience during the "Hellish" and currently defunct union between Somalia and Somaliland. 

 

Now you can say, that, Tigre's regime interests is that disbandment of the old Somali union. But the corollary argument in which you are missing in here (at least by mile) is that of "ascertaining" what interest does Somaliland has of its own, which in turn "predates" whatever the Tigre's regime may be inclined to think for itself.

 

Or are you assuming, the two are inherently, "synonymous" with no distance between them. And if you do, then, tell us by paragraphs and by line, how you come to that conclusion/  

 

Hence unless you are willing to treat that side of the coin (as it were) with a "sobering serious" it deserve, namely, does Hargiesa's has the capacity (both intellectually and morally) to have come to a position directly opposite of what you think is good for Somali race, whatever else you may desire to mouth off in here will be so much of a stale hot-air. 

 

Moreover, if by chance, you still persuaded, that, Hargeisa's did not (nor does it now) have such a "independence human's agency" of their own to begin with, which I gather is what you are "coyly and rather coquettishly" groping towards it without having the open "courage" to lunge for your assertion with what could amount to a full manly stride, then there is really nothing to discuss in here.

 

For whatever differences I have with the Somali unionist, neither do I assume, that, their case is a "put up job" (or they are a "cheap puppet",  who is being pulled this way, and or being puppeteer that way by some third forces). Nor do I assume, that, they are not genuine about their desire to maintain the old union. Or they lack the "sheer agency" (of the intellectual, moral and human kind) to arrived at whatever "considered position" that is diametrically opposite of whatever I hold dear about Somaliland's case.

 

Consequently unless you are willing to entertain the very notion (and I know it's very peculiar sensation to say the least of it) that others are equally "convince" of their case as you are of the old union, that others are actually (by chapter and by verse) quite capable of mounting a vigorous case of Somaliland's position, there isn't much yo gain in "parlaying" with the likes of you, who think "tiresome slogans" (about Somali unionism) is a "real substitute" for a vigorous discussion about the nature of Somaliland's case.

 

And finally, Tigre's regime or no Tigre's regime, the case of Somaliland's independence, hinges on and gets made or unmade in the "thought process" of those who live in Somaliland.

 

And this essentially means unless you are willing to accept that speaking breezily so ill of them along the lines of indulging "innuendos" about how they are trolls (of a paid kind, no less) is not the really the right way to make your case of the old union to them; or at least not the right talks about its retention of it, you really are not making any dignified argument worthy of a considerable mental exercise from their side of the political fence (as it were).

 

And that would be the case since if the argument in which you offered for your case was different in "character" and in "texture" to ones you have currently put forward as your "argument stall" before them, then in that "alternative scenario", they could have persuaded themselves that you may have a "logical case" in which they ought to answer it, indeed. But not now, I am afraid. For there is nothing of the kind in which we behold from your end of this discussion.

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Ducale   

I am not denying that governments may plant trolls in social media forums. All am saying is that I do not see any tigaray agents  here. But I could be wrong. A part from Old Observer has there been any other member who is suspected to be a troll? Some might believe OO is a tigaray agent, but am beginning to think maybe Galbeedi was right. Maybe OO is jeegaanta waqooyi galdeed. Maybe he sees the survival of jeegaanistan is closely tied to the survival of mamma-ethiopia.

 


 

 

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Oodweyne   

^^^Silly argument from the first to the last paragraph. And to boot adding it for good measure along the way such "cheap innuendo" about some alleged "Jeegaan business" having Ethiopia as their mother.

 

And you know the surprising thing was that reading that I wish there was some sort of "an intellectual property court" somewhere in the world in which one can go to find a "redress" of one's genuinely held complain. Particularly, if one find oneself of being made "deliberately stupid" just by "reading other's incoherent drivels".

 

And yet here we are dealing with this sort of odiously smelling dog's fart pretending to be an argument, in which some "passing git" thought that it was a "fitting contribution" to a discussion at hand in this parish. Pity, really.

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Ducale   

What's pitiful is the fact that you claim to be ***** when in fact you are ****** soolomodow oo waliba ****** ah. 

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Ducale, Awoowe cayda iyo aflagaadada Forumka uma wanaagsanee, ixtirimaaka iyo odaynimada yaan laga tegin. SOL rules prohibit any insult against other SOLers and the mention/insult of Somali clans.

 

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Oodweyne   

Saaxiib, did touch a raw nerve in here. :D Now, according to your judgement, I am murtad, what a hoot. Of course, ****** and Solomadow, waa niman tolkey ah oo aanu "ceesh-wada-cunis" iyo "is-caawinba" aanu isku leenahay. Oo maantadaas oo ***** iyo ******* (oo layku yidhaahdo Baho oo Ceel-Aweyn) iyo Sanaag wada dega oo dilaya oo hadda lagu kala dhex-jiro, ayaa haddana ******* iyo ********, oo Tegdheer wada dega, ayaa Burco shaah kuwada cabaya, oo ciddi khalad u arkeynin.

 

Waa waxaan idiin idhi, walee, "Qadaadweynow", Reer Sh,c Isaxaaq ma barataan, oo 30 sanno inaka oo dal wada la heyn, wali maydun garan halka Isaaq ka taagan yahay dad kale oo arimahayaga faraha lasoo gala. Markaa, saaxiib, hadaad, ka reebi laheyd, doodaada "Murtad" baad tahay, "deelqaaf" uma arkeen inta kale ee aad tidhi. Sababta oo ah, anigu cuqdad kama qabo, ******. Sidaa-daraateed, haddad isleeedahay, wax baad tidhi, runtiii markaan ku idhi "Dhuusadda eyda" wax u dhigma ayaad noola timid, tan aad imika ka hadlayo ayaa muujineysa sida aad aqliga uga liidato. 

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Ducale   

 

8 minutes ago, Libaax-Sankataabte said:

Ducale, Awoowe cayda iyo aflagaadada Forumka uma wanaagsanee, ixtirimaaka iyo odaynimada yaan laga tegin. SOL rules prohibit any insult against other SOLers and the mention/insult of Somali clans.

 

 

Apologies. 

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Tillamook,

 

You are giving the Tigray all kinds of credit and accolade they do not deserve or have. I will give you an example from Somalia history which exactly parallels that of Tigray.

One of the kingdoms/sultanates in Somalia fought for a year against Italy. That kingdom had an army, tax collection, administration,services, navy, etc. Was quite modern and traditional institutions. In just one year of war with Italy it lost its navy as well as even its shiping and fishing boats to bombardment by air and sea. In 5 major battles and more skirmishes lost close to half of its army. If you take away the farmer or nomad for months to do fighting, the camel economy the basis of life dies. This kingdom at the end was totally destroyed even its offices. It still did not totally disappeared morally. It was the only area that submitted to Italian rule, but kept Italians from making the place their entertainment zone.

 

Tigray is the same in Ethiopia. Only the Afar are marginally poorer. Both for same reason. Too much fighting wars. Both are poorest regions in Ethiopia. The only wealth they have that both have not lost even under tremendeous pressure, is tradition, culture, language, self government and fairly good coehesion,  all good basic characteristics for fast development. There was not a single school of any level for the Afar when EPRDF took over. Now every hamlet has elementary school, there is about 20 secondary schools and 1 university. Health also similar development, very few industries and big agricultural projects like sugar.

 

Those who try to put down a fellow Somali by calling names of foreign countries, entities etc:

Are you saying that a Somali cannot have those ideas, interests etc on their own, unless they are told by Habeshi, Arab, America, British, Italian, French etc?

That is sad on you.

Lets take example Somali kilil in Ethiopia. Its a microcosm of the Somali on planet earth in terms of clans, sub clans...

It also connects 3 current countries Djibouti, Somalia and Ethiopia. It has among its clans and sub clans whose parts in these countries are significant from leading role to influencing role. Its only natural for the Somali in this territory to have various options that he/she thinks is the best. This is not new.

When the British empire during its winding down days thought of uniting most Somali except those in Djibouti in one country (remember somali kilil was under british control until 1950s when it was given back to Ethiopia), some of the opposition to the plan came from Somali kilil. Reason is some of the bitterness from what happened between different clans and sub clans during the fighting against colonials and how easily some got along others didn't with colonialists. Remember also that this region at some point or another, at some east or west south or north of the region, has fought against Ethiopia, British empire and Italy. The French did not attempt to expand, stuck to agreement with Ethiopia.

Why can't some Somali decide the best course is stick with Ethiopia and improve our status and development here?

Why can't some Somali decide the best course is unite all Somali in one country of our own and will develop fast?

Why can't some Somali decide the best course is to be ourselves a country and will develop fast we have oil and gas?

Whay can't some Somali decide best course is each unite with your clan in whatever country it is and get rid of this kilil, since we do not seem to agree on basic issues here?

 

 

Do all these Somalis need an Arab, Habeshi, European or Somali in other regions eye to see their situation?

Do all these somalis with different opinions need Arab, Habeshi, European or Somali from other regions ear to hear the environment noise around them?

 

It might offend some of you, but black Americans call tom boy, house nigger anyone that remotely has ideas that even resemble European American ideas. Thus can never be Americans while living in America and those who can do something get out and go far from black neighborhoods.

 

The Somali is big enough in number of population, in territories to have diffrent interests. Some Somalis can grow banana in their areas and should not be forcing others that their territory is not suited to it, to know about banana and have laws and rules about it. Its enough if we just eat it. I dont have time to spend to find out how it grows.

 

Some Somalis had kingdoms, some had sultanates, others had clan chiefs and clan elders. Those of you in UK should understand English, Welsh, Scotish, Irish and even in England the north east and some other provinces. You might argue that the 4 are different ethnic, but scotish and irish are same ethnic, had same language Gaelic, yet the difference is so much that in America and Canada the Irish got "royal" (joking) treatment when they came.

 

Respect the Somali and try to analyse why a somali would support, push even fight for this or that idea.

 

 

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