Alpha Blondy Posted January 18, 2013 A loose union between Somaliland and Somalia is being put forward as this third option in solving a 22-year-old dispute Negotiations between the governments of Somalia and the autonomous breakaway state of Somaliland are set to resume within the next month. The question of Somaliland’s status as an independent country or as a region within Somalia has previously proven impossible to resolve. However, a softening of attitudes in Somaliland and the appointment of Fawzia Adan, a Somalilander sympathetic to the desire for independence, as Somalia’s Foreign Minister is creating hope that with time progress can be made. The two governments are starting talks from very different positions. Whilst the government of Somalia wants to form a united republic with Somaliland, the Somaliland government has long rejected this. Instead the government in Hargeisa has been attempting to gain international recognition of its statehood ever since it declared its independence from Somalia in 1991. These attempts have been unsuccessful and Somaliland has made little progress in achieving its goal. Although many countries accept that Somaliland fulfils legal criteria for statehood, none of them have recognised it. In Hargeisa the blame for this is placed at the door of their southern neighbours and the geopolitical interests of the international community. There is a fear that recognising the independence of Somaliland will fuel conflict in the region. Al-Shabaab is committed to a united Somalia and, despite the recent success in pushing the group out of major towns and cities, it still poses a significant threat. Regular bombings and assassinations indicate that al-Shabaab is launching an insurgency against the newly established Mogadishu government. Recognition of Somaliland independence may worsen this situation. Discussing international recognition is a national obsession in Somaliland. People believe that the country will only develop if it is afforded the status of an independent state. “Only if we have recognition can we get all the things like insurance companies and banks, which will encourage investment to come here and Somaliland is desperate for foreign investment” explains Mowlid Mohamoud Ibrahim, Somaliland’s Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs. Somaliland certainly is in desperate need of investment. The country’s infrastructure is basic at best but mostly non-existent; youth unemployment is estimated to be over 60 percent and a fast growing population is exacerbating these problems. But it is not just economic development that people believe will come from recognition. “Recognition will not only help Somalilanders, but the whole region. For example, piracy and al-Shabaab cannot be solved without working together [with Somalia] as equals,” continues the Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs. Although there is some truth in this, there is still the risk that recognition will destabilise the region. It will be necessary to balance these two positions if these talks are to bring progress. Questioning whether a single-minded obsession with recognition is the right option for Somaliland is considered taboo, but it is a taboo which is beginning to be challenged. Abdifatah Tahir, a Hargeisa-based researcher on Somali politics explains: “Ultimately the possibility of getting Somaliland recognised by Somalia is highly unlikely. Because of that Somaliland may reconsider its position. I think the talks are more to do with how to form a sort of union. People are sympathetic to that.” This change in attitudes amongst many in Somaliland displays a realisation that a different approach is required. Somaliland cannot get recognition so is unable to develop, but the Mogadishu government’s plan for a complete reintegration of Somaliland into Somalia is unacceptable to the people. Instead, a third option is needed. A loose union between the two states is being put forward as this third option. It would not involve a complete integration of the two states, but instead regional governments would administrate Somalia and Somaliland separately. Only on matters of joint interest, such as piracy and al-Shabaab, would the regional governments work together. It is hoped that this will be acceptable to staunch unionists in the south, whilst still giving Somaliland the legitimacy it needs to attract foreign investment. Those in favour of independence argue that Somalia’s insecurity and undeveloped government make it incompatible with Somaliland. The Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs of Somaliland takes this position. “Unity won’t work as there is no balance between Somaliland and Somalia. They have nothing to give us in unification”, he explains. However, the differences between the two may not be so great as to make a loose union unworkable. The newly formed government in Mogadishu is making significant progress in establishing formal governance in Somalia and an improving security situation is encouraging brave investors to look at the country. Meanwhile Somaliland’s governance record has been tarnished in recent years. The Parliament is increasingly seen as a rubber-stamping chamber, whilst the government of President Ahmed Silanyo has been accused of divisive nepotism favouring particular clans. The November 2012 local council elections were followed by reports of multiple voting and accusations of bias in the National Electoral Commission. This led to unrest in which over 20 people are believed to have been killed. Questions are also being raised about just how committed to independence the Hargeisa government actually is. “I think the position of Somaliland is influenced by individual interests. Someone wants to stay in power so doesn’t want to say that the past twenty years have not worked,” tells researcher Abdifatah Tahir. If the idea of a loose union with Somalia gains public acceptance, the official position of the Hargeisa government is likely to change. A loose union between the two states may well be a workable solution and if stances continue to soften a more pragmatic approach to Somaliland’s future could be emerging. Yet it is highly unlikely that the upcoming negotiations will result in any agreement. Politicians on both sides are still mindful of the need to be seen to be sticking up for their people and this means not making any concessions. It will take a great deal of time if the idea of a loose union is to gain widespread public support and until then little progress in resolving this 22-year-old dispute can be expected. Jesper Carlsen Cullen is a freelance journalist based in Kenya. He recently returned from Hargeisa, Somaliland http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2470/a_third_way_for_somaliland_and_somalia -------------------- interesting read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Blondy Posted January 18, 2013 .............Abdifatah Tahir, a Hargeisa-based researcher on Somali politics explains: “Ultimately the possibility of getting Somaliland recognised by Somalia is highly unlikely. Because of that Somaliland may reconsider its position. I think the talks are more to do with how to form a sort of union. People are sympathetic to that.”.............. surely, academics are supposed to base their views on some solid basis....... ''People are sympathetic to that.” - this guy Abdifatah is out of touch with reality on the ground. all these pseudo academics in our midst must be vetted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wadani Posted January 18, 2013 I agree with this Abdtifatah Tahir individual for the most part, but he may be wrong about the extent of sympathy for unionist views in Somalialnd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 18, 2013 Any union with Somalia is for Somaliland a defeat means everything Somalilanders fought for since 1979 goes down the drain literally. And a Somaliland independent state is a defeat for Somalia and they would have to accept that Somaliland is separate, something they cant the only thing that keeps Koonfurians and the only thing they agree on is that Somaliland should not be independent. Its whats keeps them together if Somaliland is gone the whole thing will collapse. So it will be hard one lets see how the talks go Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted January 18, 2013 Alpha, for all we know, you are Tahir. lol@XX, nagadaa dee. Somaliland keeps the South together. I guess you have not paying attention the last decades. The South is busy with itself, no time for anything else. You had 22 yrs to secure independence while the South was killing each other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Blondy Posted January 18, 2013 Wadani;909557 wrote: I agree with this Abdtifatah Tahir individual for the most part, but he may be wrong about the extent of sympathy for unionist views in Somalialnd. are you abdifatah? how can you agree with someone who is wrong about the public sentiment? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Blondy Posted January 18, 2013 Che -Guevara;909560 wrote: Alpha, for all we know, you are Tahir. LOL@Che, i'm well known but wouldn't risk my reputation with empty statements like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 18, 2013 Che -Guevara;909560 wrote: Alpha, for all we know, you are Tahir. lol@XX, nagadaa dee. Somaliland keeps together. I guess you have not paying the last decades. The South is busy with itself, no time for anything else. You had 22 yrs to secure independence while the South was killing each other. Well no country in Africa got recognized only if they negotiated with the country they are seceding from except for western sahara , but western sahara has limited recognition and hardly no control of its territory. But both Eritrea and south sudan worked it out with the former country they were in union with. So Somaliland is not an exception but Somaliland has territorial control which is the most important part the legal dejure recognition needs to be sorted out with these talks or with out. But i am sure Somalilanders will not give up on having a home land of their own the struggle continues. If the Kurds are fighting to be free from turkey a NATO power i am sure Somalilanders have it really easy lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 18, 2013 Oodweyne;909562 wrote: This is what is known in certain quarters a trail balloon send up to see whether the public could be conditions to accept a diminished outcome from the said talks with somalia. In other words, you do this sort of stuff in advance of a likely concession you know you will have to make in the negotiation table. All in all, it is non-starter for Somaliland, despite whatever the some elites connected to the current government may whisper to the ears of a passing journalist. But we shall see. The guy is talking about a confederacy state system it would make sense if it gives Somaliland an exit way out with UN supervised referendum or something in that direction but a lose union with Somalia means Kulmiye co failed to deliver. is a No go zone Siilaanyo and kulmiye know this will only cause troubles in Somaliland and create unrest so they need to come with ictraaf from Somalia or a way to get ictraaf. Just like in the 50s when the SL delegation said we went to England and people asked do you guys have the hawd an reserve area and they said no but we have independency. Well today they have to come we have recognition or we have recognition in 4 years. Other than that is big time F. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Blondy Posted January 18, 2013 Che -Guevara;909560 wrote: lol@XX, nagadaa dee. Somaliland keeps the South together. I guess you have not paying attention the last decades. The South is busy with itself, no time for anything else. You had 22 yrs to secure independence while the South was killing each other. a photo opp with Obama and all of sudden Somalia is planning its annexation of the somali regions in ethiopia and kenya into the fold once more miyaa? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Blondy Posted January 18, 2013 Oodweyne;909562 wrote: All in all, it is non-starter for Somaliland, despite whatever the some elites connected to the current government may whisper to the ears of a passing journalist. But we shall see. Oodweyne, real academics have a pivotal role to play in these discussions. unfortunately, he's not one of them and his peripheral comments are irrelevant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abwaan Posted January 18, 2013 AB, there is no Somalia and Somalilad....There is Somalia and gobollada Waqooyi Galbeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 18, 2013 Abwaan if wishes were horses:D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abwaan Posted January 18, 2013 Xaaji Xunjuf;909576 wrote: Abwaan if wishes were horses:D No wishes here, it is the reality XX. La qabso runta oo warka riyada jooji oday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Blondy Posted January 18, 2013 Abwaan;909575 wrote: AB, there is no Somalia and Somalilad....There is Somalia and gobollada Waqooyi Galbeed. Abwaan, the notion of the former Somali Republic being unified once more is wishful thinking. whether Somaliland decides to go its own way or to reunite with its southern neighbouring country CANNOT be decided by Somalia. the fate of Somaliland remains firmly within its own hands. the great strides made by the Somaliland people and Government over the last 21 years is a reflection of Somaliland taking control of its affairs.these efforts have been wholly achieved by Somaliland and its efforts ALONE and without outside influence, assistance and the politics of paternalism that's ravaged Somalia's collective mindset and that of its people. certainty, Somalia, as thought, a victim of outside manipulation, has to all intent and purposes developed a pitiful self-induced mindset. help us! its always one thing or another. there is always an outside enemy, some evil doer intent on destruction but NEVER the admission of fault, of poor governance, off internal division, off poor leaders, off willful negligent, off tribal warfare, off opportunism, off misfortune and so and so forth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites