Ethiopian explaining somalis to white guy:D

[burahadeer]

ON THE RACIAL CHARACTER OF ETHIOPIANS AND SOMALIS

 

After I posted the story about Somalis attacking whites in Maine, I wrote to VFR reader and blogger Kidist Paulos Asrat, a Canadian who originally comes from Ethiopia:

Kidist,

Would you say that Somalis are racially the same as Ethiopians? That is, not "black," but some different race for which there is not a well known or common name?

 

Which raises the question (and I'm sorry if I've asked this before): how do you describe your own race, the race of the historic Ethiopian ethnic group to which you belong, the Amhara? I believe you said that your features are typical of the Amhara, the same group to which Haile Sellasie belonged. I imagine that this ethnic type is ancient. How do Ethiopians describe themselves racially? And how do scientists describe Ethiopians racially? It seems to me a unique racial/ethnic type, not fitting into any of the major races. (Is this because Ethiopians are the original mankind?:-) )

 

Kidist replied:

Larry, you've given me quite a chore!

My understanding is that group that I belong to, the Amhara, originated from southern Arabia, and settled first in the northern part of Ethiopia and also what is now known as Eritrea, several thousands of years ago. The languages in these regions are referred to as Ethiopian Semitic languages. Here is an article which says about the Ethiopians (I would say the Northern Ethiopians here, and specifically the Amhara and Tigray tribes):

 

60 percent of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas approx. 40 percent is of Caucasoid derivation.

The same article quotes another source as saying:

Ethiopians appear to be distinct from Africans and more closely associated with populations of the Mediterranean basin.

And:

The present composition of the Ethiopian population is the result of a complex and extensive intermixing of different people of North Africa, Near and Middle Eastern, and south-Saharan origin.

One final quote:

East African groups, such as Ethiopians and Somalis, have a great genetic resemblance to Caucasians and are clearly intermediate between sub-Saharan Africans and Caucasians.

Here is the result of a research study trying to cluster groups of people (e.g. Norwegians, Chinese, Bantu, Ethiopians) on continental grounds:

The one population in their analysis that was seemingly not clearly classified on continental grounds was the Ethiopians, who clustered more in the Caucasian group.

Every time an article like this says Ethiopians, I would substitute "Northern Ethiopians" for "Ethiopians," or the Amhara or Tigray ethnic groups.

How does this Amhara group see itself, historically and culturally? It sees itself as a direct descendant and continuation of the Axumite civilization of northern Ethiopia (1st to 7th century A.D.). It believes its origins are outside of Africa, recognizing its non-African, or I should say non-Negroid, ancestry. But, it still believes its history and presence is intertwined with the continent over several thousands of years.

 

The Amhara believe that they are the authentic rulers and builders of Ethiopia, and would not readily give that role even to their northern Tigray adversaries. They also strongly believe that other ethnic and racial groups, such as the dominant southern Negroid Oromo, or the Muslim (and Somali) groups in the southeast, do not have the capacity to be rulers and would destroy the country if leadership were in their hands. This sense of duty, nationalism, and confidence in leadership has been the mainstay of the Amhara since their arrival after the demise of the Axumite civilization, and their adherence to Christianity that started with Axumite King Ezana in the 4th century.

 

As for the Somali, I also think they originated from southern Arabia, but they intermingled much more with the endemic African populations, despite now acquiring a unique and recognizable Somali "look."

 

Here is the same blogger as above with information on the Somali:

 

The data suggests that the Somali population is a branch of East African population--closely related to the Oromos in Ethiopia and North Kenya.

I hope this helps.

I wrote:

The reason I thought of asking you about Somalis was, there has been a string of attacks by Somalis in Maine, where many Somali refugees were insanely sent. And I don't think it's correct to refer to Somalis simply as "black," but I'm not sure.

Kidist replied:

Comparing Somalis and Ethiopians:

I think that Somalis have aggressive and violence-prone personalities that set them apart from Ethiopians. So far, I know of no Ethiopian (of Amhara origin) who has been implicated in violent, race-based crime against whites either in Canada or the United States. Whenever an Ethiopian name comes up, it is usually that of a Muslim Ethiopian, or a non-Amhara, usually from the southern Oromo tribe.

 

I don't know what to call Somalis either, since they have a blend of some Asian (Indian) and mostly African features, and their hair is certainly more Asian than African. But, their aggressive behavior resembles that of many blacks, Caribbean and African, at least here in Canada. I think this inherent aggression and belligerence should be a factor to be aware of when interacting with Somalis.

 

You are right to say that different "cultural" groups will not join forces. Somalis will always be with each other while performing their criminal activity. In fact, I think they look down on American and Caribbean blacks.

 

Also, in your entry on the Somali attacks in Maine, you ask:

 

Is this part of the larger paradigm in which the various racial/cultural/religious aliens among us, regardless of their specific background, are independently picking up on white America's growing weakness, are aware of their own strength, a strength powerfully augmented by the symbolic significance of Obama's election, and are simply putting that consciousness of nonwhite racial ascendancy into action?

I think the answer is "Yes."

It may not manifest itself in violence, as the Somali are portraying, but yes, there is a sense of racial ascendancy in groups (nonwhites in general) here in Canada, that is directly related to Obama's election. It is an uncanny thing to watch and observe.

 

 

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[burahadeer]

Comparing Somalis and Ethiopians:

I think that Somalis have aggressive and violence-prone personalities that set them apart from Ethiopians. So far, I know of no Ethiopian (of Amhara origin) who has been implicated in violent, race-based crime against whites either in Canada or the United States. Whenever an Ethiopian name comes up, it is usually that of a Muslim Ethiopian, or a non-Amhara, usually from the southern Oromo tribe.

 

I don't know what to call Somalis either, since they have a blend of some Asian (Indian) and mostly African features, and their hair is certainly more Asian than African. But, their aggressive behavior resembles that of many blacks, Caribbean and African, at least here in Canada. I think this inherent aggression and belligerence should be a factor to be aware of when interacting with Somalis.

 

You are right to say that different "cultural" groups will not join forces. Somalis will always be with each other while performing their criminal activity. In fact, I think they look down on American and Caribbean blacks.

 

jajajajajajaja~~~~~~~~~:D:D

[faarah22]

i think he is mostly right. The violent, anarchic and antisocial trait in some somalis is african derived. so imagine, if eugenics is applied to somalia and only the most caucasiod somalis genetically were to breed, with every generation the african percentage in our gene pool decreases till it's no more. then our whole culture would change i think.

[burahadeer]

somali african gene is only 5%.That discards your analysis:D

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

not only did you waste some of your time in seeking this trash, now you have wasted mine as well. whats the point of sharingthisracist rant across the interwebs

[faarah22]

nope it's 15 percent sxb or higher it's official.

[faarah22]

it's not racist in the least bit according me. very insightful and penterating anaylsis. but why play race card so easily naxar.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

"Is this part of the larger paradigm in which the various racial/cultural/religious aliens among us, regardless of their specific background, are independently picking up on white America's growing weakness, are aware of their own strength, a strength powerfully augmented by the symbolic significance of Obama's election, and are simply putting that consciousness of nonwhite racial ascendancy into action?"

[Raamsade]

War maxaa la ilkacaddeesey? Ninka wuxuu sheegey waa meelkadhac iyo aflaggaaddo.

 

His observations are worse than mere ignorance, which is understandable coming from lowly qindhicileey (kidding!), his comments play right into the hands of Eurocentrists' agenda of dividing and alienating black Africans from their history and lands. Note how Eurocentrists divide Africa into Sub-Saharan Africa and the rest of Africa. What is the justification of this division given that native Africans have always lived in, above, below and all around the Sahara? The answer is to limit black Africans to south of the Sahara and as a result deny them their history, heritage and claims to ancestoral lands. Many Africans, unaware of the con game at play, regurgitate Sub-Saharan Africa and similar silly canards.

 

Another Eurocentrist canard is racial categories like black, asian and white or the existence of hybrid races. Race is scientifically meaningless. There is no such thing as "mixed" or "hybrid" race for such concept requires the existence of pure races to start with. Who are the pure races? All so-called races are mixture of many different ancient groups with Africans being the most diverse by virtue of being the oldest people. This latter point is important one because it tells us that there is more than one way to be African. You don't have to fit the Eurocentrist derived stereotype of "black African" which often means looking like West or Central African. A black African who doesn't fit that stereotype isn't proof positive of mixed ancestory. It just means you'e just another black African.

 

 

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[burahadeer]

Naxar Nugaaleed;795508 wrote:

not only did you waste some of your time in seeking this trash, now you have wasted mine as well. whats the point of sharingthisracist rant across the interwebs

just showing mentality of 'better than otha' which exists not only between races but different ethnic groups & in same ethnic ones also.

[Che -Guevara]

This somehow came to mind

 

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[faarah22]

There are pure races raamsade like there primary colours and secondary colours. somalis are a hybrid race for example albeit a stabilize oned over centuries. the ethio dude may have been stocking the racist ego of the white guy, it does not discredit his observation. the blue print for our actions and looks are in our genes primarily the rest is secondary. also, africa north of the sahara is arab, so africans have no heritage there unless you believe in the black hebrew or black egyptian theory.

[Raamsade]

Faarah22, you didn't answer the question. Who are these pure races?

[burahadeer]

@farah....how you explain the actions of congo(if u familiar with their history..have long civil war after independence & this one now is close to 20yrs..nearly 6million dead) or those of ruanda or afganistan

 

 

QUOTE Farah22.....nope it's 15 percent sxb or higher it's official. .

 

@ farah....but this Amhara guy admitted his ethnic group have 60% african genes, so where that gets him off the hook!

 

Also these same Amhara when they were in power had continuence war with eriteria(1962-991) and tigreanians between 1975-1991!! the scum is hallucinating and remember famine of 74 & 82 (we are the world) etc.

[faarah22]

your too smart not to know that raamsade. anyways here the primary races

1. black or negroid ( can have sub divisions but essentially the same family) >> mostly africa, carribbean , north america and recent immigrants to europe.

 

2. caucasian ( europe, arabs, pakistan northern india etc).

 

3. asian or mongoloid ( chinese, malay, even native americans, some pacific islanders ).

 

of course it's not the whole picture, but you get my drift. these races have definite hard genetic basis. you can't wish away that. a scientist can look at your genes and i determine your racial group.