CORRECTED: Somalia violence kills 14 parliament fails to meet

[Hales]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/100418/world/international_us_somalia_conflict_330

 

"All the mortar rounds missed the airport but landed in civilian areas," Ali Muse, coordinator of ambulance services, told Reuters.

 

"They have massacred our people, they don't care for our people, our flag and sovereignty," wept Fadumo Abdi, whose son was killed in the blast. Somalia's parliament had been expected to convene Sunday for the first time since December after repeated setbacks, but the meeting was postponed for four days for "technical reasons."

[Sherban Shabeel]

So why is Shabaab better than AMISOM if they shell civilian areas too?

[Hales]

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Hypocrites

[Raamsade]

Originally posted by Sherban Shabeel:

So why is Shabaab better than AMISOM if they shell civilian areas too?

Because Alshaab are Muslims and AMISOM are supposedly Kufars. It is OK for Muslims to kill other Muslims but apparently not Kufars.

 

As much as I and other Kufars may disagree with this sentiment and deem it hypocritical, I must concede that it is at least consistent with history. More Muslims have been killed by other Muslims in the past 100 years than by all Kufars combined. As soon as Mohammed died the swords came out and Muslim on Muslim violence has become the pattern of Islamic history. Nothing has really changed. Don't hold your breath for "peace loving" Muslims to stand up against violence by their own coreligionists.

[Polanyi]

Originally posted by Raamsade:

quote:Originally posted by Sherban Shabeel:

So why is Shabaab better than AMISOM if they shell civilian areas too?

Because Alshaab are Muslims and AMISOM are supposedly Kufars. It is OK for Muslims to kill other Muslims but apparently not Kufars.

 

As much as I and other Kufars may disagree with this sentiment and deem it hypocritical, I must concede that it is at least consistent with history. More Muslims have been killed by other Muslims in the past 100 years than by all Kufars combined. As soon as Mohammed died the swords came out and Muslim on Muslim violence has become the pattern of Islamic history. Nothing has really changed. Don't hold your breath for "peace loving" Muslims to stand up against violence by their own coreligionists.

Once again you show how much devoid of logic you are. Then again, this is not suprising given the fact that this nonsense is coming from someone who once said Muslims are commiting shirk because they also "believe in prophets". FYI, the actions by Alshabab have been the most condemned by Somali Ulema and this is way more than any condemnation of AMISOM. Furthermore, the condemnations given out against Alshabab by fellow Somali Muslims is also way more than any dished out to AMISOM. How many people condemn AMISOM on this forum visavis AMISOM?

 

Secondly, you display ignorance of Islam when you claim that it is ok for Muslims to kill each other, but not kuffars. Open any Islamic book on Jihad and you will find entire sections dedicated to the sanctity of "Muslim" blood. Hajjaj Ibn Yusuf is considered to be the one of the most brutal Islamic leaders in history because he killed so many Muslims. The Khawarij are considered to be the most evil group because they shed the blood of fellow Muslims. Likewise, today Alshabab and Alqaeda find to hard to gain support from Islamic Scholars because many percieved them to be killing fellow Muslims. I can't recount the number of Islamic conferences in which they were condmened for being perecieved as people who revolt against Muslim rulers and civilians. Alqaeda was being condmened by Saudi Scholars in the early nineties, and this is way before they struck in the west. Of course, you would have known this had you done research on these matters, rather than relying on the western media.

 

 

The very reason why Alshabab is becoming increasingly hated by certain percentage of Somalis is because they are percieved to be killing fellow Muslims and not invaders( the support for them was stronger when they were fighting ethiopians). So, in a nutshell, to argue that Alshabab is being condemened when, in fact, they are the most condemned Islamic group, is a complete and utter bogus argument, which is driven by someones anti-Islamic prejudices.

[Polanyi]

Originally posted by Sherban Shabeel:

So why is Shabaab better than AMISOM if they shell civilian areas too?

AMISOM shelled far off areas in which there was no record of Islamists fighters. Most Muqdisho residents know that their shelling is indiscriminate and AMISOM has no regard for civilians. Alshabab and XI, on the other hand, launch mortars at specific military targets, but sometimes their fighters miss and civilians get caught up . Both are wrong actions, yet there is a difference between the two for those with intellect. This was understood at one time by your cult hero Shariff:

 

Monday, 29 September 2008

 

 

Secretary General of the United Nations (UN)

The Presidents of the African Union (AU), Uganda and Burundi

The Secretary General of the League of Arab States

The Secretary General of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC)

Heads of Concerned region and international human rights organizations

 

 

Your Excellencies:

 

As you have been following the latest crisis in Somalia, I regret to inform you that for the last week, AMISOM has been using tanks and heavy artillery indiscriminately against the

population of Mogadishu. As a result, according to the latest estimates, over 100 people, including children, women, and elderly have been killed; more than 300 others have been wounded, and about 3000 have fled their homes, where the Ethiopian troops and the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) militias have been looting their homes.

 

Before this time, committing this type of massacre has been limited to the Ethiopian occupation troops and the TFG militias. However, it is now apparent that AMISOM is also

adopting this evil practice. The latest carnage is a clear indication that AMISOM is assisting Ethiopia to achieve its objective of occupying Somalia and denying the Somali people

their fundamental rights of life, liberty and property.

 

AMISOM spokesman has claimed that the troops were defending themselves from the attack of some insurgent group(s)!! But the available evidence regarding the directions and the

distance of the shelling does not support this argument. It is obvious that AMISOM had used unnecessary force and targeted heavily populated quarters and markets far away from the fighting area(s) which can only be taken as a deliberate mass killing.

Since AMISOM had not come with the consent of the Somali people, lately, we have been spending a significant amount of time and efforts to convince our people to accept AMISOM

as a peace keeping force, but the latest terror has seriously damaged the image and the mission of AMISON in Somalia. Moreover, it will most likely have a profound negative effect on the on-going UN brokered talks in Djibouti.

 

We consider this AMISOM action as a war crime; therefore, we urgently request the UN as well as AU to send an impartial fact find mission at the earliest possible time to

investigate these atrocities and swiftly bring the culprits to justice.

 

Shaikh Sharif Shaikh Ahmed

Chairman, ARS

Oooooh, and AMISOM are occupying invaders.

[Sherban Shabeel]

1. I would like to know which "far off areas in which there was no record of Islamist fighters" AMISOM shelled? I'm not interested in sweeping generalizations.

 

2. Why do you think AMISOM is trying to terrorize the Somali people? I don't condone the shelling of civilians, but do you honestly think this is some evil plot by the AU to destroy Somalia? What could these guys from Uganda and Burundi possibly gain by bombing Somalis? Another street in Mogadishu?

 

3. How are AMISOM occupying invaders when all they have is a ****** compound? Name me ONE invading force in history that invaded a country and decided to stick to one building and a couple of streets in the capital city. It makes absolutely no sense. They don't even have the mandate to expand the area under their control, they are LEGALLY obliged to stay where they are, and you're talking to me about "occupying invaders". Script please!

[rudy-Diiriye]

why does it matter to u homie if u dont understand it at all......its like greek to u! lool.

[Sherban Shabeel]

Originally posted by rudy-Diiriye:

its like greek to u! lool.

I have a good ear