underdog Posted August 25, 2003 Henry Makow August 23 2003 In 1931, Clark Gable's acting career took off after he decked Barbara Stanwyck in the movie Night Nurse. He got 10,000 fan letters from breathless females. Today male and female superheroes routinely slug it out on the big screen but if ordinary men and women so much as shove, they can be arrested for "domestic assault." Men risk jail, legal bills, and the loss of family, house and job if they so much as argue with a woman. This is the result of the widespread "zero tolerance" policy which defines domestic assault as any physical contact, no matter how innocuous. The charge is laid by the state even if no harm has been done. Ostensibly this policy protects women but its real purpose is to emasculate men and persecute heterosexuals. It's another front in the Rockefeller-based elite's campaign to degrade society, destroy family and decrease population by making heterosexuality unworkable. THE DANGER ZONE Couples all experience stress, especially if they have children. Now a woman having a tantrum can incarcerate her husband simply by dialling 911. She can hold this threat over his head. The policy undermines male leadership. A husband called his wife "lazy." A neighbor told her to "teach him a lesson." So she called the police and falsely charged him with slapping her. "Now she needs help with the children and but we have to live apart," he said. "She is very upset and sorry." "Women make false charges like crazy," a Legal Aid lawyer said. There is no penalty for doing this. A male said his common law wife falsely charged him to get him out of the house. From the back of the police car, he saw her standing on the lawn with her boyfriend. Another man heard the 2 a.m. "knock on the door" after he had broken up with his girlfriend earlier the same night. She charged him with holding her arms (when she was hitting him.) He had a hefty legal bill and risked losing his job. The majority of these cases are "stayed" after many court appearances because the women won't testify or its his word against hers. WELCOME TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER The policy accustoms people to the interference of police in their personal lives, which is the hallmark of dictatorship. Having an argument is now a crime. "The walls are thin," one couple said. They were arrested after a neighbour heard voices raised. A witness vouched they didn't touch each other but the cops have no discretion. People lose respect for the law. "It's supposed to be a free country but it don't seem free any more," a man told me. The policy is a grotesque boondoggle for police, therapists, prisons, courts and lawyers. It swells the ranks of the bureaucracy which has an economic stake in the elite's new world order. In Winnipeg where I live, half the 1200-man police force is dedicated to domestic violence. "To me that statistic is staggering," police Chief Jack Ewatski, told the Winnipeg Free Press "It puts a significant stress on our ability to police the city in other areas." More than half the inmates at the overflowing "Remand Centre" are husbands. Special facilities have been built at a penitentiary to house 200 more "domestics." Most of these men have yet to be convicted of anything. NINETY PER CENT TRIVIAL I have interviewed about 65 people charged with domestic assault for my web site, www.zerotolerancesucks.com. Most of these people have limited means. Their fights are usually trivial, harmless and involve alcohol. I met only one person who fits the profile of a "battered woman." Even she wants the choice of charging her abuser or not. She feels she can handle her situation. A veteran lawyer who specializes in domestic violence confirmed that only 10% of his clients fit the profile of chronic wife beater. Most people call the police to help defuse a tense situation only to be arrested, finger printed and jailed. They miss work and lose jobs. "Sometimes I deserve a smack," one male said. "She gave me one. I pushed her out of the way and left. We're fine. We're a normal couple. We had one rough night. No one was hurt. No one charged anyone." I do not condone or encourage domestic violence of any kind. But most of these incidents should not involve police. Police should intervene only when someone has been injured or complains. They should be given discretion over whether the complaint is serious. When two men in a bar get into a fight, there is a mediation process. No charges are laid for a first offence. Why are lovers treated differently? Finally, I have seen only one same-sex couple (2 lesbians) in 20 courthouse visits although domestic violence is reputed to be fairly common among homosexuals. WOMEN FAVORED YET ALSO VICTIMIZED "A lawyer said: "The women call the shots." Police often refuse to accept a man's charge. When a wife bit his husband's finger, the cop told him: "What was your finger doing in her mouth?" Another man was told to "take it like a man." Yet the system is capricious. Women are often victimized. One mother of four on social assistance slapped her common-law husband when he said he didn't care about the children. He pushed her against a wall and she called police. They arrested only her. "That's what I get for being honest," she said. "I don't know why I'm being persecuted." Another woman slapped her boyfriend when he made light that she was pregnant with his child. He called the police and she was arrested. Legal fees: $1200. Another woman said: "My ex boyfriend called me from jail. He was out in two days and bothering me again. What's the point of calling the police? It's not worth the trouble." In the crush of trivial cases, women in genuine danger are overlooked. Feminist activists don't care about women who are "sleeping with the enemy." They are using endangered women to advance the elite's Communist lesbian agenda. A MOCKERY OF JUSTICE The zero tolerance policy makes a mockery of the principles of justice. A real crime (i.e. injury) must take place before someone is arrested and jailed. There should be a presumption of innocence. There should be evidence and not just one person's word. Domestic violence was not a problem before feminists and their elite sponsors invented it. It isn't a problem today. For example, according to the 1999 Canadian General Social Survey, only 7% of people married or common law experienced "some type of violence" within the previous five years. These are almost evenly divided between men and women. The rate of spousal homicide for wives is 7 per million in Canada. In the U.S., the murder rate for wives/girlfriends is between 1 and 4 /1000th of one percent depending on race. CONCLUSION Something fundamental has gone awry when half the police force is dedicated to marital spats. Heterosexuals should wake up and smell the coffee. We have been under sustained attack for over 40 years. It is no accident that the roles of wife and mother have become stigmatized and men have been demonized. It's no accident that, as with people who have a terminal disease, we hear little discussion of our collective future. Society is victim to an insidious campaign of elite social engineering and political persecution. It's time we told our Lucifer-loving financial elite, "Enough." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuCkY Posted August 25, 2003 I do not condone or encourage domestic violence of any kind. But most of these incidents should not involve police. Police should intervene only when someone has been injured or complains. They should be given discretion over whether the complaint is serious. I agree with this statement. Womens compLaints(some)are taken rather seriousLy than a mans due to rise in vioLence against women-whether it is the truth or not.Women are viewed as victims because maLes are bigger species and more aggressive however this doesnt open grounds to assume that every maLe is an abuser,a wife beater or the Likes. I mean honestLy a coupLe are going to have probLems especiaLLy a married coupLe with kids. PeopLe dont aLways see eye-to-eye,they wiLL fight(verberaLLy) and yeLL and throw tantrums but thats not to say that the maLe is going to physicaLLy abuse his wife/girLfriend. The interfering of the poLice is baseLess in most of the mentioned cases. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality Check Posted August 26, 2003 Just in case you dont get the law, underdog, it is made for women so that males don't use their physical strength agaisnt them. Alot of people abuse laws and policies..even this one...but you can not ignore the fact that it is needed. If you want to feel free to slap around your wife, go to a country that doesn't care. But PLEASE do not go around posting these types of topics to show feminism in a bad light. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted August 27, 2003 Originally posted by Opinionated: If you want to feel free to slap around your wife, go to a country that doesn't care. But PLEASE do not go around posting these types of topics to show feminism in a bad light. Seems like you missed the point of the post. whether that was intentional or not is irrelevant. I'm not encouraging or supporting violence against women ( or anyone else). I read this article and was fascinated by the picture of modern society that it painted. Like all other man-made laws, this one is flawed and is constantaly used not to undermine men, but to destabalize the traditional family unit. That is an opinion you are welcome to embrace or reject. I was presented with a number of arguments for and against Feminism and after considering all the information I came to the conclusion that the feminist movement, in it's inner core may have the interest of women at heart but its presentation allows for a lot of misinterpretation. As far showing it in a bad light, I don't have to. Any self-thinking human being can clearly see the co-relation between the feminist movement and the errosion of family values. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thinkerman Posted August 27, 2003 true very true Under-dog Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kool_Kat Posted August 27, 2003 I think the women discribed at this post are certainly women with issues, whether mentally or otherwise...Not any woman in her "right" mind would call the police on her husband/boyfriend for nothing...I believe 911 is there for a reason...Yes, there are those who try to take advantange of it, everything in this world has pros and cons...And I thing the pros outweigh the cons here...It is nice to have a system the protects women, and I am all for it... In any case, I believe a lot of ppl misinterpret the meaning of Feminist...I am not saying I am one, but I do believe in what they stand for... If being strong, independent, hard working, knowing what one want is life, not settling for nothing but the best, want to be heard and have a say in anything that concerns her, makes a feminist so be it...I am all for it... PS... underdog, what's up with you and all these feminist topics...Are you doing a research or something...Or may be you've been burned by it...lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted August 27, 2003 Burnt???? No way. Not yet anyway. I'm doing research on a few topics such as Globalization, effects of current banking practices and family values. I'm sure you don't want me to post privatization and the evils of interest in a forum about women. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kool_Kat Posted August 27, 2003 All I am sayin' is that you seem to be posting one too many topics about Feminisim...So, I thought may be and just may be, you were doing a research on it or something...That's all, ain't nothing more it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted August 27, 2003 It's all good. these are just articles I read. I was naive to a lot of issues so you're right, I am doing some research. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gediid Posted August 27, 2003 Here's another interesting article.I actually saw this on MSNBC last night and some of the "alleged" victims now have a lawyer who has brought criminal charges against the Colonel......Enjoy =============================================================== Serial Proposer Army Officer Accused of Proposing to Dozens Now Faces Wrath of Duped Women ABCNEWS.com June 12 — U.S. Army Col. Kassem Saleh seemed like a dream — a Taliban-battling soldier with the soul of a poet who wrote intoxicating love letters home. The trouble was, he was doing a lot of writing. Saleh was allegedly romancing and even proposing to some 50 women across the United States and Canada whom he had met through online dating sites including www.Christiansingles.com, Match.com and tallpersonals.com. Worse still, he is reportedly married. ''You are my world, my life, my love and my universe," Saleh allegedly wrote in one cyber love note. Another woman said she received this e-mail from Saleh: "You and the thought of you have created a desire so deep within my soul that I cannot fathom a time I will ever be without you." The women found out about the multiple proposals after an Internet news site ran a story about a woman in Washington state who said she was waiting to become Saleh's wartime bride. Soon, calls were pouring into KNDU-TV from other women who said that they were engaged to Saleh. Romancing the 'Monk Warrior' Robin Solod, 42, of New York, is one of the women who says she was duped. Seven months ago, she met Saleh through the www.tallpersonals.com dating site, and they began an online courtship. She felt that Saleh's letters were more romantic than the works of poets William Butler Yeats or Robert Browning, and she soon fell in love, Solod said. Then, five months ago, the 50-year-old colonel proposed. Solod said yes. Then she read about another of his "fiancées" on the Internet. "I was crushed … the total deceit, the betrayal," Solod said on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America. Solod said Saleh told her that the reports of his many proposals were false. "Now, this girl from Brooklyn was born at night, but not last night," said Solod in response to Saleh's excuse. She says he never apologized to her. Some of the women say Saleh claimed to be divorced and called himself the monk warrior because he hadn't had sex in 10 years. Though she was impressed with his action-packed adventures in the military, it was Saleh's flowery words that drew Solod. "The letters were totally intoxicating," Solod said. "He totally swept me off my feet," she said. Army Investigating Colonel The women say Saleh interspersed the e-mails with phone calls from what he termed "the front lines" in Afghanistan. While he was proposing to some of the women, he reportedly remained lawfully married to a wife who continues to share a home with him in Fayetteville, N.C. The Army is investigating the incidents, though it is unclear at this point whether his alleged actions violated either criminal law or Army regulations. Saleh is a 29-year Army veteran who helped bring down the Taliban, and later helped lead reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan. He is currently stationed with the Army's 18th Airborne Corps at Fort Bragg, N.C. Solod said she would like to see Saleh court-martialed. She said that he sent her a photo of a motorcycle with a bomb on the back which she understood to be a piece of confidential military information. Solod came out in public about the issue because she said that the Army was such a "sexist" institution that she feared there would be no reprisal for Saleh from the military. What Phone Call? At least two of the women had already purchased wedding gowns. Now, the women are comparing e-mails and finding that Saleh must have cut and pasted the same copy into multiple letters. Another woman who said she met Saleh through www.tallpersonals.com, where he claimed he had been 6'5" until parachute jumps caused him to shrink down to 5'9", said she became suspicious when Saleh slipped up in a e-mail to her. In it Saleh wrote "when we got off the phone in the middle of the night," but the woman, who wanted her name withheld, said he had never called her. Solod said she got caught up in the romance, and even her therapist warned her that something was awry after he proposed. She is now dating another man she met through a dating site, but she says she is much more careful now. Still, Solod says she would like to see Saleh come to terms with what he did to her and the other women who believed he loved them. "He has to have accountability," Solod said. "I would refer him to the American Psychiatric Association. This is a man that has no sense of conscience," she said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SomeAlien Posted August 27, 2003 Women make false charges like crazy," a Legal Aid lawyer said. There is no penalty for doing this. i dont think thats true. isnt that obstruction of justice? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rudy-Diiriye Posted August 27, 2003 somealien---well! since u live canada where wifes watch on tv thier husbands being scorted by police since wify wants to have lil some some, dont u think this point is mood!!!! proof read by somealien! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conscious Manipulation Posted August 27, 2003 Like all other man-made laws, this one is flawed... You hit the nail right on the head! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kool_Kat Posted August 27, 2003 I really HATE, and I mean Hate ppl who say Somali women in Canada call the cops on their husbands...I don't think they even think before they speak...Tell me how does someone get up one day and say "I think i'll call the cops on my husband today"...Unless the husband does something to make the woman call 911...Puhlease... Yes some women might go overboard with this whole 911 idea...But it ain't like most of us are that careless of our husbands...I am sure if every husband did as is required by him, there wouldn't be any reason to make that call... So, let's get this idea that Somali women in Canada call 911/cops on their husbands...If the husbands stayed home with their wives when they are not working, and help her with the children, all this wouldn't be happenning...But instead what do they do: they stand around donut shops, chew khad (and some of them with other women), they chase around every skirt that comes their way, etc... If we (both male and female) supported each other, stood by each other's side, be the other's shoulder, be as one, there wouldn't be any 911 calls now, would it? Let's just leave it at that, cuz I really don't like to bring down our Somali Men...But somebody has to say something... One last thought: STOP POINTING FINGERS AND START WORKING ON A HAPPIER AND HEALTHIER RELATIONSHIPS!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qac Qaac Posted August 27, 2003 UNDERDOG, i agree with u man. 100% keep on doing the good job. R U reading on NWO ? MAN. i feel u. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites