Sane voices of SL

[maakhiri1]

Eebe ha u naxariisto Hadraawi, who is talking about here? Geele or Muuse or both

 

 

[Duufaan]

They tend to not like their own unique people or good people. “Ma anoo aarsankara ayaan duco qaataa” that was the old Biixi. The old guy Saleebaan Gaal knew how this will end but never did anything to stop it. His first reaction of news of laascaanood for first day war was very much telling.

End of the day is about their strength. As long as they have teeth they can use to bite they’ll. 

[Arafaat]

Somaliland/SSC Khatuumo: Somaliland Government was Always Wrong 

By Mohamed Ibrahim

Monday August 28, 2023

Having been observing Somali politics for a number of years, the defeat of the Somaliland forced in Goojcade was inevitable. This is the case because the war lacked political legitimacy, was injustice and doomed to fail all the time. The uprising in Lascaanod was born out of the conditions and violence/insecurity the local residents felt for over ten years. Historically, Somaliland was wrong was on many levels. First, they wrongly assume or (wilfully ignored) everyone in the region will embrace Somaliland’s pursuit of independent state and failing to provide a political space for people who clearly have a political of their own to join the Greater Somalia. 

This was the first monumental political mistake that was made by this Somaliland government and others. For a number of years, I have warned against the political imprisonment and harassment of anyone in the region who did not subscribed to the independence of Somaliland. However, subsequent Somaliland governments ignored and intensified their threats and imprisonment where even raising small blue flag would land you a prison sentence. 

This showed me the authority lacked the confidence and capacity to enact their political vision without subjugating and imprisoning the people that believed otherwise. Somaliland government wilfully ignored there are silent majority in Sool region who enjoy peace and security by do not subscribe to the Somaliland vision of independence. The Somaliland government failed to open the political space for Somali unionism and this continues be a colossal mistake. When that security was lost in the aftermath of political assassinations in the region and authorities failed to safeguard the safety of innocent people, the people rose up to protect themselves. When the pillar of security was lost, nobody in the region had no loyalty to Somaliland as an entity as they never believed in the vision of independence to start with. 

Secondly, the Somaliland authority failed to read the mood and then enacted their second disastrous decision which was to use military force against the people of Lascaanood and its political entities. The challenge before Somaliland required political solution. Never a military solution. President Muse Bihi Abdi and his political associates in the SNM failed to learn from their own lessons and struggles. When the dignity and safety of others are threatened, the pursuit of justice and dignity will always outweigh and prevailed from any military intervention.  This was the case in the SNM movements and this episode in our history is no different. It is in this context I warn against further escalation of violence and appeal for cool heads in Somaliland to influence proceedings in the coming weeks. Military solution was never a solution and is no longer the solution.  

This issue can only be solved by overarching political road-map involving Somalia and Somaliland. The conflict is a symptom of wider political failure and lack of political reconciliation and trust deficits across Somalia/Somaliland, which has created a fragmented societies and political entities on the edge which has been a bomb waiting blow up. That bomb has gone off in Lascanood in the last eight months and only a political solution would stop further bloodshed, insecurity and miserable future ahead for all.

http://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2022/jan/185116/somalia_and_somaliland_a_case_of_post_conflict_troubled_society.aspx

http://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2017/apr/141775/somaliland_exhausted_consensus_north_south_divide_opportunity_for_meaningful_dialogue.aspx

http://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2021/oct/184124/deportation_of_somalis_is_an_embarrassment_and_a_political_problem_to_somaliland.aspx

Mohamed Ibrahim BA/MSc, London School of Economics and Political Science, is a keen writer and social justice campaigner, London based, He can be reached via @Mi_shiine

[Illyria]

Inta ay inantaa yari garatay ayaa rag badani garan la'a yihiin.

 

[Arafaat]

3 hours ago, Illyria said:

Inta ay inantaa yari garatay ayaa rag badani garan la'a yihiin

Many folks don’t, and many folks do oppose this war and atrocities committed by SL from the start, even opposed and spoke out against the SL conduct in Sool long before the January uprising. But clearly it’s not always reflected in the waves of social media and neither side of the spectrum has an interest in these voices to be heard.  

https://www.somaliaonline.com/community/topic/246915-siyasiintii-iyo-odayaashi-beesha-sl-oo-tageersan-ssc-kasoo-horjeeda-huunada/

 

 

[Illyria]

3 hours ago, Arafaat said:

Many folks don’t, and many folks do oppose this war and atrocities committed by SL from the start, even opposed and spoke out against the SL conduct in Sool long before the January uprising. But clearly it’s not always reflected in the waves of social media and neither side of the spectrum has an interest in these voices to be heard.  

https://www.somaliaonline.com/community/topic/246915-siyasiintii-iyo-odayaashi-beesha-sl-oo-tageersan-ssc-kasoo-horjeeda-huunada/

Of course, ergo the reason for the thread. I must admit, in my family and friends, it is disappointingly out of proportionate where most are of the view of "We have been attacked, and must defend ourselves. The beloved Republic is under a threat from terrorists". Same nonsense resident Landers regularly spew in sync. Thanks for the fetching the old link.

[Arafaat]

Listen to this speech addressed towards Garaad folks by Mahamud Hashi, what do u make of it? 

[maakhiri1]

 

dp

[Che -Guevara]

7 hours ago, Arafaat said:

Listen to this speech addressed towards Garaad folks by Mahamud Hashi, what do u make of it? 

Kinda late. And he is trying to muddy the water with whataboutism. The Garaads have constantly called for peace. They continue to do so. They stopped their forces at the clan border and made no claims on anyone's territory.

They need to accept (and perhaps tell their constituents the truth) that there are Somalis in the North who never board with secession.

If he is sincere about peace, he can start with building consensus in Hargeisa and talk some sense into Musa Bixi.

What happens next entirely rests with Hargeisa, not LA or Galkacayo.

 

[maakhiri1]

What is his role or authority? over this?none

Muuse is leading this war?  and has the say, that there is no point talking third uninfluential, third wheel,  that does not make any difference or role in what is happening, so why not call for Muse to resign?

Beerka jecli, Xaydha Jecli, this guy is a warlord and has also been calling for ethnic cleansing in other videos, especially when he was the minister.

He is responsible lots of innocent killed in Kalshaale, and  now presenting himself as Mandella, Mother theresa, he is far more dangerous than Biihi

[maakhiri1]

check this

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-IOS_GK0T-GK1C&mibextid=2Rb1fB&v=1067356897961560

 

[Arafaat]

 

17 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

If he is sincere about peace, he can start with building consensus in Hargeisa and talk some sense into Musa Bixi.

What happens next entirely rests with Hargeisa, not LA or Galkacayo.

 

Indeed, the ball is with Hargeisa and he should focus on building consensus there, therefor I was surprised he was addressing the Garaads instead of the own constituency or SL leadership. 
 

16 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

check this

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-IOS_GK0T-GK1C&mibextid=2Rb1fB&v=1067356897961560

 

It seems there is some guilt there. There were also some who said that he opposed and undermined the Khaatuma agreement Siilanyo entered with Ali Khaliif aun, and didn’t see it as opportunity to expand peace in the east but made other wicked political calculations. Perhaps why he is feeling guilt today, but still he is barking on the wrong tree. best way is to correct your own mistakes by the right actions.

And his actions and priority should be addressing the own constituency to reconsider supporting disastrous politics, and building consensus there. Following the footsteps and line of thinking of Buurmadoow perhaps. 

[Arafaat]

One of the reasonable voices, but unfortunately some are trying to silence him and harass him to keep him silent knowingly that he speaks the truth. 

[Arafaat]

 

[Illyria]

11 minutes ago, Arafaat said:

 

Unlike ina Haashi, Shabeel has been consistently a sane voice.
 

Postscript:
Ina Abiib is awfully young, inexperienced, with his heart in the right place, but belongs in the Fed. Parliament where he could freely speak; I am afraid he will be lucky if alive by this time next year.