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galbeedi   

I am not sure but Muuse Biixi seems to be suffering with some kind of illness.

 

Waar ninkani nin xanuusan buu u eegyahay. Badanaaba dadka dagaalda ehliga galay ma caafimaad qabaan. Nin xog ogaal ah ayaa waxa uu igu yidhi Muuse Biixi " Dementia" ayuu qabaa. 

we will find out soon. this guy is not normal . just look his face.

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galbeedi   

The never ending debate of election commission keep playing out in Hargeisa. It is a game . Soon the Nairobi boys will visit again to sort out the false issue.

Ardaydii Soomaaliland basas baa loo diray. 

These people keep lying day in and day out. When Somalia closed international flight every Somali came through Hargeisa flying Ethiopian airline. I just heard that almost everyone left their  hotel next day to mind their  own business including traveling to Puntland and Mogadishu by car..

Yet , according to Biixi and company they were quarantined for 14 days.

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Dr. Belieh said Somalia was mashruuc and he was right in a lot of ways but it seems Somaliland is bigger mashruuc peddled at the top who benefit from it tremendously. 

What people have envisioned it to be is long gone. What's left is an oligarchy.

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3 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

Dr. Belieh said Somalia was mashruuc and he was right in a lot of ways but it seems Somaliland is bigger mashruuc peddled at the top who benefit from it tremendously. 

What people have envisioned it to be is long gone. What's left is an oligarchy.

Indeed, to say we need our share is better argument ,

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"Soomaaliya maxaa lacagta loo siinayaa oo inaga na loo siin waayey."

You need to paraphrase him correctly if you want to quote what Faisal has to say.

And I agree. Somalia getting new loans when it is defaulted old loans is like the old saying goes: Habartii xaabada la kici wayday. 

It will be extremely irresponsible on the part of the world body like the World Bank to write new loans for a phantom government that represent no one but their back pockets and their cronies.

And particularly,  additional money will only make the problems worse not fix them. 

Faysal is 100% correct, Somaliland is the only administration that has the capacity to enter a loan because it has a stable income (tax base) and stability.

The minute AMISom leaves Mogadishu, is the minute everything stops including the Port, the Airport and what have you. Because there is no grassroots reconciliation and peace on the ground. Everyone in Mogadishu is waiting for a chance. 

 

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Gaaladu lacagta bixisoo Somalia waxa loo siinaaya yanay alshabaab wadanka qabsanin and UN bakusi dul cunaysa  madaxda rasmiga Somalia . Laakin Somaliland principle ahaan lacagta beesha lixaad bixisoo hadanay toos u siinayn wax Mogadishu lano so mariyo madoonayno. And the EU and Britain understand our position on this. 

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Oodweyne   

Suldaanka,

Don't take any notice of this waffling Ina-Gummeed Galbeedi fellow After all the only thing he really is capable doing in here is to talk silly about Somaliland. More to the point, he is man who knows he was on the wrong side of the Kacaanka (when Somaliland was tussling with that dictatorship). And today, of course, his life exist as that being a meaningless stooge for Villa Somalia. Just like the rest of the "Awr-Kiraalayaal" from Somaliland who are either cooling their heels in Mogadishu. Or those who are getting demented with anger in Diaspora since they shan't be allowed to returned back home. Hence, his is essentially akin to a cheap yapping of a fleece-ridden defeated dog, at best of it

And as for the World Bank's loan forgiveness, it's true we need to inform the world about how silly their argument is. Of course, they may not pay attention to us. But in international relation there is something call "narrative diplomacy". This in essence means even if your argument may not win the day (and by the looks of it the powers-that-be wants to forgive the loans of Somalia for their own strategical and commercial interests) there has to be on record your position of such plans. So that the narrative of your diplomacy will have an alibi.

In short what this mean is that the powers-that-be who may delude themselves about the Somali peninsula will now know that we in Somaliand are never going to be part of any Somalia's political dispensation. And they better think twice about the notion of thinking that money can pay us off from out well-established position. Which is what some countries keep on thinking about it in the sense of thinking that if the World Bank and IMF, or even some other International Financial Institutions (IFIs) were to start given money to Somalia, then, perhaps we in Somaliland may go easy from our independence position and gently decide that our political agenda was all along up for grabs, provided the "price" was right.

So this has to be clarified now before the world decides that the issue about Somalia and Somaliland is about money (or how to divide it up between them) like the manner in which most African's third world countries's politics is all about money and about the loot. For to us in the Somaliland, the independence of our country it's a matter of principles, and we shall even be readily be poorer for it in order to uphold that principle.

More to the point, there is no such thing Somali State. It ceased in 1991, and the two political components that had formed the two original Somali State took their leave from each other political association. Which means, if the World Bank and IMF are that minded to forgive loan to Somali State, they should know by now that such State ceased to exist long time ago, and what they are doing is trying to pass a fiction as State, and we are no part of that fiction.It really is important that this should be clarified it. Given that "silence" could well be construed as a acceptance of someone else fiction, be they IMF or be they World Bank. 

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Oodweyne   
11 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

Dr. Belieh said Somalia was mashruuc and he was right in a lot of ways but it seems Somaliland is bigger mashruuc peddled at the top who benefit from it tremendously. 

What people have envisioned it to be is long gone. What's left is an oligarchy.

I know you have joined the silly brigade of SOL if you weren't already a part and parcel of them from the get-go. But could you elaborate that further? Hence, see to it to give us the details of how Somaliland is a "Mashruuc". I am really dying to hear the logic of that assertion of yours. Could you do it in anyway, mate?  

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5 hours ago, Suldaanka said:

"Soomaaliya maxaa lacagta loo siinayaa oo inaga na loo siin waayey."

You need to paraphrase him correctly if you want to quote what Faisal has to say.

And I agree. Somalia getting new loans when it is defaulted old loans is like the old saying goes: Habartii xaabada la kici wayday. 

It will be extremely irresponsible on the part of the world body like the World Bank to write new loans for a phantom government that represent no one but their back pockets and their cronies.

And particularly,  additional money will only make the problems worse not fix them. 

Faysal is 100% correct, Somaliland is the only administration that has the capacity to enter a loan because it has a stable income (tax base) and stability.

The minute AMISom leaves Mogadishu, is the minute everything stops including the Port, the Airport and what have you. Because there is no grassroots reconciliation and peace on the ground. Everyone in Mogadishu is waiting for a chance. 

 

So, you went from mocking IMF member countries including Sri-Lanka and Bangladesh for offering bridging loans to saying international communities should deny Somalia new loans and we could use loans too. I wonder what's next?

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Oodweyne   
4 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

So, you went from mocking IMF member countries including Sri-Lanka and Bangladesh for offering bridging loans to saying international communities should deny Somalia new loans and we could use loans too. I wonder what's next?

Re-read his argument, yea silly blighter. You will see the issue is about how the IMF and the World Bank are deliberately trying to believe as if there is a government that runs the whole of the old territorial landscape of the Somali State, which took the money or the loan prior to 1991 as a sovereign State.

And now the powers-that-be are misleading themselves to believe that such State still exist and it's ready to be forgiven of that loan. Hence, leaving aside your glaring incompetence in even reading the gist of what others are getting at, what he is actually saying is that Somalia of post 1991 is a new State in which Somaliland is not part of it.

Moreover, the loan that was forgiven was a loan in which Somaliland was also on hook for it. Since a State in which she was part of it took that money prior to 1991. And therefore if that "old deceased State" had miraculously find itself being forgiven of all of its old financial debt, then Somaliland should also enjoy whatever "reward" such clean slate has brought about. Not only Somalia.

And that should be so given that the present day federal Somalia is one party  of the "two offspring" in which that deceased political and sovereign parent State that was called the old Somali union State of 1960 had left behind on earth as it turn had expired back in 1991.

Now it could be the case that the "powers-that-be" at the World Bank and the IMF may not pay any heed to our argument. Which is likely to be the case. But, it's really incumbent on us in Somaliland to say to them that you can give any loan you like to anyone or forgive any old loan in which you had it on the books. But all the same, do not be so clever-by-half as to actually believe that the State in which you just have forgiven all of standing loan it had allegedly have had it from previous era, is still in existence, in legal terms and in political terms.

Such State that was called the old Somali State may exist for your convenience sake on paper at least in so far as you guys at the "powers-that-be" are concern. And it may even still exist at the UN's system. But we in Somaliland are the masters of our land, we are not part of that State. And most definite of all we have no desire to be lied about by others in-terms of who we are and whether we are involved in any of these financial scams call "debt forgiveness" in which you guys at the IMF and at World Bank are being up to your eye-balls with Somalia. It's that simple with us, really, regardless of whether these "powers-that-be" accept our clear-cut position or not. It's important to "clarify" as to where we stand in so far as this new financial scam call "debt forgiveness" for Somalia is concern.

This is his argument in simple terms. Hence, see if you are in any position at all to mount any vigorous challenge to it, if only that is you are capable of doing it.

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2 hours ago, Oodweyne said:

Since a State in which she was part of it took that money prior to 1991

Somaliland was under military occupation from 1980s onwards, so any loans taken by Afwayne after 1980s is the sole responsibility of Koonfurta Somalia.  

However, any loan prior to 1980s, we will assume our fair share of it. And we won't be defaulting on it. 

3 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

So, you went from mocking IMF member countries including Sri-Lanka and Bangladesh for offering bridging loans to saying international communities should deny Somalia new loans and we could use loans too. I wonder what's next?

It was a sad affair, I tell you that. If  street beggars were like countries, then Somalia was the type of beggar that puts his head down in prayer position and begs passers-by for few coins. You cannot take that shame away.

Here is a quote from my previous post:  "Somalia getting new loans when it is defaulted old loans is like the old saying goes: Habartii xaabada la kici wayday."

It doesn't make sense.

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3 hours ago, Suldaanka said:
 
 
 
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3 hours ago, Suldaanka said:

 

It was a sad affair, I tell you that. If  street beggars were like countries, then Somalia was the type of beggar that puts his head down in prayer position and begs passers-by for few coins. You cannot take that shame away.

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young-poor-woman-begging-sidewalk-near-b 

Every heavily indebted nation went through the same process! Every IMF member nation poor or rich are asked to contribute. Somalia was no different but your mockery of the needy is noted. Now, quitting telling the beggar is in for him or what's good for him.

Oodweyne,

I had a note to Suldaanka's silly bravado. But since you appointed yourself to be his thought translator, and this is very important as the secessionists to have thickheads, the world KNOWS what Somalia is and importantly what its government is.  And no the powers-to-be are not stupid or uninformed, They just made their choice.

What Somaliland needs to do is give a compelling argument that was why they deserve loans.  Somalia is bad or its government is corrupt or weak is not cutting it!

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