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So much for Controlling Somali Air Space. Ethiopia Airline will continue its scheduled services to Somaliland... will stop Somalia (inc. Puntland)

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This is excellent news  this puts Somalia and Somaliland further apart. The supposed talks scheduled isn't going to happen now. 

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1 hour ago, Tallaabo said:

I don't think this has anything to do with China but has everything to do with a nation's capacity to control its airspace. 

If for instance Somaliland had an air force with the capability to intercept any aircraft, it could effectively close its airspace to international airlines and force ICAO to recognise it as a separate entity. If a capable air force cannot be found then at least Somaliland should develop the technical capability to jam all communications and GPS signals used by the airliners to turn its airspace into a black hole. This tactic can also force all airlines to take a long detour around Somaliland and thus have the same effect with ICAO.

So until Somaliland gets such capabilities which I doubt it will ever have, Mr Muuse and Co should explore other options. 

Absolutely that is a must. 

 

 

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Oodweyne   

Suldaanka, Tallaabo, and Xaaji,

Guys, you should know by now that the failed Villa Somalia clique have nothing but a BS propaganda. And lots of trolls in the media like the teeming Ilma-Gummeed we have in here in SOL.

So that being said, remember by next week when the Ethiopia Airlines along with Fly Dubai, continues its normal flight as the Ethiopian's Airlines did this morning, they will come up with another lie about how Villa Somalia is changing its alleged instruction to all planes heading to Somaliland's Airspace.

Again, by next week when Somaliland's aviation authority will by then informs all the commercial Airlines that usually comes to Somaliland, that ICAO's restriction notes on Somaliland's airspace (which in turn was issued on behalf of Villa Somalia) doesn't pertains to Somaliland, you will see normal planes from UAE and from Ethiopia arriving naturally. And then you will see the paid propaganda stooges of Villa Somalia changing their tunes by then.

You just watch in here of SOL and you will see how we will be getting a new sets of BS talking points from them by then. For they are that kind of shameless, really. 

And here is a foretaste of what is in store by next week.

SOMALILANDCHRONICLE.COM

According to multiple sources from Somaliland Civil Aviation Administration and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation, the Federal Government of Somalia attempted reroute Et…

 

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Oodweyne   

Poor lad. It seems that silly propaganda is all some folks could actually amount to around here of SOL. Particularly those who are the sons-of-looters of the Ina-Gummeed sort, like some folks I could easily mention their names around here, but I wont do for the sake of even disdaining their very wretched names.

After all, they seems to have nothing but BS talking points from Villa Somalia and that of a one man's opinion in which they are parading with it around here.

More to the point, when in this coming week we get the usual planes landing in Somaliland as normal, we shall have them in here by then with more cheap propaganda of the most silliest kind.

For that is all they are capable of doing in here. Other than being a "pass masters" at the wretched looting business in which their kind of shameless ilk are very adapt at it, in which to boot, they do to their own freaking town of Mogadishu, at best of it. And at worse of it, they are very good at being nothing but a miserable teeming foot-soldiers for the likes of Al-Shabaab's misfits of this world.

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6 hours ago, Tallaabo said:

I don't think this has anything to do with China but has everything to do with a nation's capacity to control its airspace. 

If for instance Somaliland had an air force with the capability to intercept any aircraft, it could effectively close its airspace to international airlines and force ICAO to recognise it as a separate entity. If a capable air force cannot be found then at least Somaliland should develop the technical capability to jam all communications and GPS signals used by the airliners to turn its airspace into a black hole. This tactic can also force all airlines to take a long detour around Somaliland and thus have the same effect with ICAO.

So until Somaliland gets such capabilities which I doubt it will ever have, Mr Muuse and Co should explore other options. 

Just belligerent behavior will not be rewarded. It will actually make a pariah state and make Villa Somalia look more reasonable.

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21 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

Just belligerent behavior will not be rewarded. It will actually make a pariah state and make Villa Somalia look more reasonable.

Che,

That is were you are wrong. Find out how Taiwan had side-lined ICAO and have the chance to look forward to the prospect of seeing thousands of commercial planes still landing in Taipei (i.e., their capital) even when People Republic of China (i.e., PRC) is forever talking about how no one should go there without their "jurisdictional consent" to do so being obtained in the first place.

Now we know what we have to do with ICAO and its open bias of actually submitting Villa Somalia's request and instruction to all international airlines without asking us in Somaliland and our Aviation authority whether we agree with that or not.

You see what happens is that most international commercial airlines, particularly those who are on a regular pre-fixed route have a daily updates from ICAO in-terms of what air-spaces are closed, which airports are not safe to land, and the rest of it. And if ICAO somehow submit, deliberately, a "misleading information" about your air-space, and about the "use-ability" of your commercial airports, then all commercial planes that in turn rely on the "accuracy" of ICAO's daily instructions will not be landing in your country at all.

Moreover, this UN's outfit call ICAO seems to have decided to submit whatever Villa Somalia have told them about Somaliland's air-space to all commercial airlines who normally ask them live details of all the international airspace in which all planes must be informed about it in an up to date manner in every 24 hours. And they did that even if they know that Villa Somalia's do not control our airspace, much less said about managing Somaliland's Airports. So in that sense, it's the ICAO who is the party that we in Somaliland have a beef with since they are actively engaging acts of "deliberate sabotage" against Somaliland on behalf of Villa Somalia.

Hence, you need to take a pro-active measures (like Taiwan have done it in relation to PRC and Northern Cyprus also have done it in relation with the recognized Republic of Cyprus of the EU). Which is to have a direct communication with all aviation authorities of all of the jurisdictions in which the commercial planes that lands on your airports do come from. Or the jurisdictions in which those planes who pass through your air-space come from. And you will have to inform them to "disregard" anything in regards to your air-space and about your airports other than what you tell them directly.

Of course, you need all required up-to-date aviation control equipment to do so. And in that way you can then be in a position to take matters into your hands whereby all the planes which are passing through your airspace will be guided by your air-control office. Instead of those planes being instructed from Mogadishu's Aviation communication point as they pass through your air-space or whether they are being cleared to land in your airports.

That is the most crucially important point in here. namely, equipment, equipment, and more equipment to manage your air-space without ICAO having a say in the matter. And secondly, you require to directly deal with all of the aviation authorities in which  their registered commercial planes passes through your air-space or those who land in your airports as part of their commercial activities.

Others have done it. And I am sure it was the wake-up call in which we needed in actually understanding what ICAO seems to be all about. And why we need now, finally, to stop this silly game with the UN's ICAO and take concrete action to "nullify" any further involvement in which they can have over our airspace. Given that they have openly sided with Villa Somalia when they know all along on the other hand that old Somali State's territorial air-space is been "contested" by both Somalia and Somaliland ever since 1991.  

Consequently, the upshot of that is that some commercial airlines will "obey" the ICAO instructions and will pay heed to that. And some others will do what you tell them if they already have a lucrative business line in passing through on your air-space. Or if they have a lucrative route of a landing slot in your airport. Which is what happens to all of the commercial airlines that go to Taiwan despite the best effort of PRC to stop all planes not to land there without the say so of Beijing.

Hence, now we know what sort of "Jurisdictional air-space fight" we are actually involve in with Villa Somalia, then watch this space, this game is just starting, I tell you.

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Why are both sides pushing this and making it the Alamo (do or die) as Americans say?

Farmaajo side: He knows the control system he has is only a copy. Can be shut down any minute and control is done from Kenya. The equipment is still there and from time to time it functions.

Do not expect the International avaiation to work without fall back. What do you think would happen if Al Shabab or war lord blew up the place or took control of it.

Don't try to make it look like a face book power control. This is real life. Its the same for every group. Let alone Somaliland, a war lord can get the control in Farmaajo residence shut down and full time operate from Kenya.

 

On the other hand in these times of Coronavirus people should sit down and work something. It does not matter how much area one controls even a village can bring the tent down.

 

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45 minutes ago, Old_Observer said:

Why are both sides pushing this and making it the Alamo (do or die) as Americans say?

It actually is, my friend. How so and why, I heard you say? Well, firstly, it just so happens that Somalia is trying to win with "UN's borrowed muscle" what they could not win it in any other way. Which means they are tying to use the UN's offices like ICAO, to try to impose its jurisdiction over Somaliland when in fact they don't have any other means or a military might to do so.

This is a "jurisdictional war" over our air-space in which we knew was coming all along. And now it's here, we shall then see to it to conduct ourselves in the manner that it calls for us to proceed in this fight. Nothing less than that will be required from us, in my view.

Hence to us in Somaliland, so long as ICAO keep on "pretending" that Somali's airspace is not "contested areas" between two political entities call Somalia and Somaliland, and more to the point, if they keep on assigned the whole "jurisdiction authority" of the Somali's air-space it to Mogadishu alone, which was what they did, effectively, then that means we now have the right to "disregard" ICAO (like the manner many nations now do). And then directly deal with all air planes that are passing through our Airspace.

And that means we need to buy urgently all of necessary Aviation communication HF equipment (if we do not have already. Reach a commercial deal with one or two companies who are in the business of satellite communication providers so that our Aviation control center in Hargeisa will be in a directly dealing with airplanes passing through our air-space. Furthermore, we need to establish a direct line to all jurisdictional aviation authorities around the world, particularly those of whom their planes frequently uses our air-spaces. And then deal with all of the commercial planes who wants to use our airports on a bilateral basis.

And if any of them says we are going with ICAO's per instruction, then we will be basically informing them then their "reserved slot" at Egal's international Airport is cancel effective immediately. And since, of course, no commercial airline likes to lose its lucrative slot in any commercial airports it plies their trade into it by way of going back and forth from it, then they will change their minds in no time.

This what will happen, and should happen in my view. Just like the manner the likes of Taiwan had effectively "neutralize" the politically motivated agenda of PRC, since the PRC were actually using the same ICAO's outfit to bring political pressure to Taiwan in the same manner in which the like Somalia are trying to do in here in regards to Somaliland's Airspace.

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Here is where Moodabe proved to be smartest.

After the Malaysian airline disaster in Ukraine, there is a new system. If any party declares an area a war zone, then evrybody looses.

What Moddabe did was positioned some anti-aircrft weapons, took pictures and told Farmaajo and Co. he will declare the area a war zone.

Everybody even Kenya itself came begging him not to do that. The face book posts from Farmaajo had to be deleted.

Countries like Qatar are using Oman, Somalia...more than ever. Nobody wants any problems here. Farmaajo and Co. knows their limits and capabilities, regardless face book postings. Their table top radio control can be shut down in a Moodabe minute.

Why is Ghelleh so quiet. He should insist that Farmaajo and Bixi can compete on anything else, but never on economic development beneficial to people. Farmaajo should not interfere in economic and developmental issues with Somaliland or any region for that matter. Every SFG understood this and it was formalized as agreement during M. Shiek time.

Oodweyne,

Taiwan has America. Taiwan is one of the biggest investors in China (mainland), Taiwan has Japan, South Korea, British to encourage them to just limit China's speed.

Ethiopian, Saudi, UAE (since difficult for you to get Qatar), Kenya, Egypt..airlines are your best hope to change the situation.

 

But now everything is on hold for Corona virus. Use this time to prepare for the after Corona virus time re-start if there is one and we don't have WW3.

 

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, Old_Observer said:

Oodweyne,

Taiwan has America. Taiwan is one of the biggest investors in China (mainland), Taiwan has Japan, South Korea, British to encourage them to just limit China's speed.

Old_Observer,

I think the simple thing was a mistake made by our previous government when we had agreed back in 2013 to transfer the Airspace control from ICAO to Somali hands, in which the intention behind it was the idea that suggest Mogadishu and Hargeisa, between themselves, would come into some sort of working understanding in-terms of how to govern the Somali air-space prior to the point of Somalia/Somaliland agreeing to a final settlement on their respective political destiny.

And ever since then we knew that Hargeisa and Mogadishu were heading to a collision course over this issue, since many of us could easily see as to how for all practical purposes Mogadishu wasn't willing to actually "accommodate" any of Hargeisa's demand to run the Somali's Air-Space from there till the issue of Somalia and Somaliland gets to be resolved. Which was what was agreed on at the time when the talks of Somalia and Somaliland were started in Turkey.

Moreover, I believe many fight of this kind are coming down the pipe. Which in turn means, peace is far from secure in this part of the world. And we are heading at minimum to a cold-war like confrontation between Somalia and Somaliland, which is the best scenario in which you can think of it. Or it's going to be a hot-war, at worse of it.

Understand that, my friend, and you will understand why Mr Farmaajo has declared war on Somaliland from the first day he had arrived in office, back in February of 2017, although he lost most of the fights he took against Somaliland in the last three (3) years or so.

And this one is basically another skirmishes or another fight of that long war.

Hence, I am really confident that this "long war" (or as I like to call it a "jurisdictional war") will take few years to complete, and it will end decisively in Somaliland's favor, since we run and we actually control the land in which we are claiming a "sovereign ruler-ship" over it. Incidentally, this latest jurisdictional skirmishes (which is part and parcel of that "long war", as I said it) also ends effectively any more of the silly talk of the kind that used to suggest that Somalia and Somaliland should be talking things over.

In other words, the talks were always bogus and farcical conceit, since both parties knew in their heart of heart that they were involved in one skirmish or fight after another one in a really "long jurisdictional war" between them, in which we in Somaliland, of course, were ready for it in a long time. 

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