Ancient Somalia, 70 C.E.

[Armchair Politician]

I agree, I believe Somalia has been inhabited by Somalis and their ancestors for the last 50,000 years.

 

The key difference I believe is that the east coast towns including Mogadishu were ruled by or vassals of larger Persian or Arab powers, such as the Shirazis who ruled the Swahili people. The Shirazis ruled Somalis and Swahili both, forming the Zeng empire based in Maqda Shah (the Seat of the Shah) modern Mogadishu.

 

The Somalis eventually threw out the Shirazis when their empire collapsed, and Shingani, Brava and Hamarweyne became independent Islamic merchant republics.

 

The Shirazi monarchy moved to Kilwa Kisiwani and their empire had a bit of a comeback, but the Portugese arrived in the early 1500s and destroyed it.

 

When the "Berbers" converted to Islam and became the "Somali" they began to build strong states.

[Chimera]

ala this James is hurting my head i hate math lol

 

the distance between Massawah and Djibouti alone is 605km and from Djibouti to Borama(same area as Zeila) is 176km = 780km + 40km = 820km

 

Massawah to Assab with 40km extra = around 500 km

 

if ''From Adulis to Avalites is 4000 Stadia, or 667 km'' than we have it around 150 km to close for it to be Assab and 150km to far for it to be Zeila

 

damn it it's a draw lol

 

Mogadishu was never part of any Persian or Arab power, Chittick's Shirazi colonization of the East African coast has been refuted all of his claims were based on imported foreign pottery lol

 

there were Arab and Persian 'migrations' but those weren't any different from the ones that happened during the Ajjuuraan Period they were usually employed as religious advisers or mercenaries(See Virginia Luling Somali Sultanate)

 

not even during the zenith of the Omani Empire was Mogadishu part of this entity(yes a brief occupation after the collapse of the Ajjuuraan Empire but no real colonization or settlement). These same Omani rulers had to grovel Geledian sultans with gifts to get a garrison greenlighted in Mogadishu to protect their own interests

 

Inscriptions with Persian names have been found in Mogadishu but those were craftsman employed as architects calling it a Persian colony based on this would be just as absurd as calling the Mughals Persians evendo there was more Persianization happening there(lingua franca, culture,Taj Mahal etc etc)

[Chimera]

Originally posted by GJ_Sheikhspear:

Dhul Qarnyan, was this " Afrik Shah" before the Scipio Africanus? Am not good with this B.C./A.D dates

After.

[Armchair Politician]

Adulis is 40km south of Massawa, so it's 40 km closer, not further away, from Djibouti

 

So your math should be 176km = 780km - 40km = 740km

 

That means Zeila is 70 Km further away than the Periplus states it to be if it is Avalites, and 100 Km too far if it is Aseb.

 

HOWEVER, if it is Tadjoura that is Avalites, it is exactly right.

[Chimera]

i miss read that part, but are there any references(besides potentially Avalites) with the Djibouti area?

[Armchair Politician]

Hmm hard to say really.

Tajura was the seat of the ruler of Djibouti at the time, who was a vassal of the King of the Afars at Aussa. The Kingdom of Aussa was the direct successor to Adal, when Adal split into the Emirate of Harar and Imamate of Aussa, and later became a kingdom.

 

After the Afar imamate collapsed in the later 17th century, Italy bought Aseb and France bought Obock from Afar chiefs.

 

The Afar are a bit of an enigma really. They have a strong association with Adal, and most of their recorded history is as either Adal or a succesor state.

[Chimera]

Adal=Awdal, Ibn Dimashqi in the 13th century stated that Awdal was the local name of the 'Lands of Zeila' this same name was still in use by the Somali population when Burton explored the region in the 19th century and continues to be used today

 

Somali-Afars simply worked together and build a vast empire just like there sharing a country today but there is a tendency for people on the Internet(ex:wiki) to omitt or downplay the BIG role Somali people played in that state because of their obvious animosity for the Somali people

[Som@li]

I am not historian and know little abt Ancient Somali History, but I know that there is a big empthy hole regarding the Ancient Somali History,there is so many missing links, One time permits, proper investigation,and documentations should be done on this hadly explored country,(And Armchair Politician, you are invited).

 

Anyway,thanks guys for your inputs, nice read.

[Armchair Politician]

The first thing that has to happen is for a Somali Archaeological Society to be founded, and for all the clans and governments to agree to preserve and respect Somalia's heritage.

 

If archaeological digs happen, the artifacts should not be whisked off to some western museum or worse, antiquities dealers warehouses.

 

It will likely be a temptation for many, as ancient Somalia was likely very rich, and the artifacts very valuable.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

So, Mr. Fadhikudirir, you are not that Soomaali after all. I see. What fascinates you about Soomaalis, that even compels you to create and recreate the map of Soomaaliya and the tiniest changed clan conflicts on the ground?

 

About the maps -- not this one, but others -- are they accurately measurable between the distance of each towns and cities, especially taking in account the latitude and longitude? Or you are just estimating, getting a little help from other official maps?

[Armchair Politician]

I try to make my political maps as accurate as I can, but they are only as good as my information. I do use a variety of source maps and coordinates to make sure the towns are in the right place at least.

 

To be honest I don't know what it is exactly that fascinates me so. Somali politics is sort of like a drama program. People watching an episode for the first time have no idea what is going on, but eventually you learn the "characters" and their history, and you find yourself wondering what happens next.

 

Perhaps it doesn't seem so from within the unfolding story of Somalia, to Somalis it's just sort of depressing, but Somali history, especially recent history, is epic. It's like the ancient chinese curse of "may you live in interesting times".

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Nothing interesting, curse or otherwise, about what we Soomaalis are living now. A very confused people scattered around the world; and those who remain subjected to unimaginable inhumane treatments; a nation and people without a government for almost two decades. A divided, very clanish people, who do not know what their real, tangible common interest is.

 

Interesting times or not, we will, however, [and Eebbe willing] pass this tragic conundrum that seems to never end.

[Seekknowledge]

Ever heard of

"Verily, never will Allah change the condition of a people until they change it within themselves (Quran 13:11) ".

[Xoogsade]

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar:

Nothing interesting, curse or otherwise, about what we Soomaalis are living now. A very confused people scattered around the world; and those who remain subjected to unimaginable inhumane treatments; a nation and people without a government for almost two decades. A divided, very clanish people, who do not know what their real, tangible common interest is.

 

Interesting times or not, we will, however, [and Eebbe willing] pass this tragic conundrum that seems to never end.

This truth hurts saxib. I am leaving for Kyoto Japan on sunday morning inshallah and it says on my passport Born in Somalia, an eyesore on my precious US passport. I never thought I would despise Somalinimo to this level but I have concluded it is worthless to share anything with people embued in hypocrisy, in idol(clan) worship, in savagery, people who hate their kind and show concern for nonsomalis, people who would read the Quran and claim allegiance to god yet who would stab you to death just because you don't belong to their clan, people who would sell you to the lowest bidder. Soomalinimadii waxaa qurmiyay sinjilaawayaal qabiilkooda ku qalday waddan iyo dad. Somalia and Somalis rest in peace man, balaayo ha sheegato.

[Chimera]

When the boxer rebellion was put down by a coalition of Foreign nations Chinese pride was crushed and at a all time low especially with the news that certain Chinese groups were collaborating with these countries

 

the chinese people did not despise their own heritage because there were myopic traitors,hypocrites amongst them they simply bounced back and even under occupation many Chinese martial artists stomped the bejesus out of foreign fighters out to humiliate Chinese fighters and they rebuild Chinese pride in the eyes of the masses

 

there are enough Somalis with love for their own people, they are ones keeping children in schools,building hospitals,providing shelter,sending money to those that are not part of their so-called clans

 

Somalis will bounce back there are countries that dwarf Somalia in human suffering and traitorism

 

60,000,000–72,000,000 - World War II (1939–1945), (see World War II casualties)[38][39]

 

30,000,000–60,000,000 - Mongol Conquests (13th century) (see Mongol invasions and Tatar invasions)[40][41][42][43]

 

25,000,000 - Manchu conquest of Ming China (1616–1662)[44]

 

20,000,000–70,000,000 - World War I (1914–1918) (see World War I casualties) note that the larger number includes Spanish flu deaths

 

20,000,000 - Taiping Rebellion (China, 1851–1864) (see Dungan revolt)[45]

 

20,000,000 - Second Sino-Japanese War (1931–1945)[46]

 

10,000,000 - Warring States Era (China, 475 BC–221 BC)

 

7,000,000 - 20,000,000 Conquests of Timur the Lame (1360-1405) (see List of wars in the Muslim world)[47][48]

 

5,000,000–9,000,000 - Russian Civil War (1917–1921)[49]

 

5,000,000 - Conquests of Menelik II of Ethiopia (1882- 1898)[50][51]

 

3,800,000 - Second Congo War (1998–2004)[52]

 

3,500,000–6,000,000 - Napoleonic Wars (1804–1815) (see Napoleonic Wars casualties)

 

3,000,000–11,500,000 - Thirty Years' War (1618–1648)[53]

 

3,000,000–7,000,000 - Yellow Turban Rebellion (China, 184–205)

 

2,500,000–3,500,000 - Korean War (1950–1953) (see Cold War)[54]

 

2,300,000–3,800,000 - Vietnam War (entire war 1945–1975)

 

2,000,000–4,000,000[55] - French Wars of Religion (1562–1598) (see Religious war)

 

2,000,000 - Shaka's conquests (1816-1828)[56]

 

300,000–3,000,000[57] - Bangladesh Liberation War

 

1,500,000–2,000,000 - Afghan Civil War (1979 -)

 

1,000,000–1,500,000 Soviet intervention (1979–1989)

 

1,300,000–6,100,000 - Chinese Civil War (1928–1949) note that this figure excludes World War II casualties

 

1,000,000–2,000,000 - Mexican Revolution (1910–1920)[58]

 

1,000,000 - Iran-Iraq War (1980–1988)

 

1,000,000 - Japanese invasions of Korea (1592-1598)[59]

 

1,000,000 - Second Sudanese Civil War (1983–2002)

 

1,000,000 - Nigerian Civil War (1967–1970)

 

618,000[60] - 970,000 - American Civil War (including 350,000 from disease) (1861–1865)

 

900,000–1,000,000 - Mozambique Civil War (1976–1993)

 

868,000[61] - 1,400,000[62] - Seven Years' War (1756-1763)

 

800,000 - 1,000,000 - Rwandan Civil War (1990-1994)

 

800,000 - Congo Civil War (1991–1997)

 

600,000 to 1,300,000 - First Jewish-Roman War (see List of Roman wars)

 

580,000 - Bar Kokhba’s revolt (132–135CE)

 

570,000 - Eritrean War of Independence (1961-1991)

 

550,000 - Somali Civil War (1988 - )

 

500,000 - 1,000,000 - Spanish Civil War (1936–1939)

 

500,000 - Angolan Civil War (1975–2002)

 

500,000 - Ugandan Civil War (1979–1986)