Dhaqaale

SNM discrimination against Barre Rule.

Recommended Posts

Dhaqaale   

I was going through some old newspaper articles and found one were the *** SNM resistance movement in 1987 was about overthrowing a dictator but later in 1989 became about declaring independence from Somalia. The SNM claim that Barre bombed Hegesia, Berbera and Burco in 1988 for clan reasons. When in fact Barre said himself that the SNM were a terrorist organisation like the free Syrian army in Syria. So if Assad is bombing northern Syria (with the help of Russia) how can the *** claim Barre was bombing them for clan reasons? 

Why do you think if the *** were given government jobs and civil servant offices did they rebel in 1981? What made the *** want to separate from the rest of Somalia. This part of the Somali story is fuzzy to me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Because afweyn started KILLING. SOMALILAND GENERALS colonels just after 1977 war in border towns. He also  didn't stop wslf killing against the nomads in Ethiopia. And he tried to strip somaliland bussines people from their live stock trade licenses.. All of those factors played a role in the formation of SNM to ovetrhow afweyne from power. It was a war against a people. People from somaliland were not safe in Mogadishu the jazeera massacre in 1989. Also you need to understand Somaliland joined the Somali Republic to create something great. But it turned out to be a night mare destruction of somaliland. The somaliland country was just reduced to a mere province of Somalia. When it was  an equal part that of the 5 somali states. The koonfurians took capital  all leadership positions. There isn't much of wanting to be part of a nation that doesn't want you. Somaliland re independence was the best choice for Somalilanders and the region. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dhaqaale   
7 minutes ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

Because afweyn started KILLING. SOMALILAND GENERALS colonels just after 1977 war in border towns. He also  didn't stop wslf killing against the nomads in Ethiopia. And he tried to strip somaliland bussines people from their live stock trade licenses.. All of those factors played a role in the formation of SNM to ovetrhow afweyne from power. It was a war against a people. People from somaliland were not safe in Mogadishu the jazeera massacre in 1989. Also you need to understand Somaliland joined the Somali Republic to create something great. But it turned out to be a night mare destruction of somaliland. The somaliland country was just reduced to a mere province of Somalia. When it was  an equal part that of the 5 somali states. The koonfurians took capital  all leadership positions. There isn't much of wanting to be part of a nation that doesn't want you. Somaliland re independence was the best choice for Somalilanders and the region. 

Ok. I understand better. Anger and hated against the somalilanders lead to rebellion. But why doesn't the international community take that fact into account in recognising Somaliland.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That is a political question its because the west has interest in the Arab world. And the Arab world oppose Somaliland. In contrast to the Eritrea cause where the arab spear headed their cause because of their conflict with Ethiopia. Somaliland has a pretty good case for statehood  and it will get there one way or the other. You can't stop the will of the people never. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dhaqaale   
50 minutes ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

That is a political question its because the west has interest in the Arab world. And the Arab world oppose Somaliland. In contrast to the Eritrea cause where the arab spear headed their cause because of their conflict with Ethiopia. Somaliland has a pretty good case for statehood  and it will get there one way or the other. You can't stop the will of the people never. 

I see. Can I ask why is There is so much clan tension and racism in Somaliland? Shouldn't you people be setting up the country on the path economic prosperity like Kurdistan or Taiwan?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Tallaabo   
3 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

 You can't stop the will of the people never. 

Xaajiyoow koonfuria isn't stopping anything. What you call the "will of the people" has nowadays turned into the will of only the accursed kleptocracy. Nowadays, there is absolutely nothing the average Somalilander gains from Somaliland's separation and this is not the fault of Farmaajo or any other Koonfurian. It is exclusively due to the failure of Somaliland's political elite.

Just think about this: Somaliland has been independent of Mogadishu for almost thirty years now and still today our politicians are fighting over the composition of the electoral commission!!! They don't even pretend to be working for the interest of the people. Its all about them and their personal interests. In those thirty years nations including China and India have become superpowers and indeed in the nineteenth century it took about three decades for feudal Japan to develop into modern empire. So what future has this inept and out of touch kleptocracy got?

On the contrary, I think life would be much better for the masses if a deal is reached with Mogadishu. After all, what is the purpose of breaking away if we have all the problems associated with koonfuria in Somaliland. Tribalism, daylight robbery of public resources by politicians, clan conflicts, religious extremism, etc. Actually, koonfuria is now more democratic and free than Somaliland. Remember our parliamentarians have now effectively turned what was supposed to be their five year term into a lifetime job. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Amigos   
1 hour ago, Tallaabo said:

On the contrary, I think life would be much better for the masses if a deal is reached with Mogadishu. After all, what is the purpose of breaking away if we have all the problems associated with koonfuria in Somaliland. Tribalism, daylight robbery of public resources by politicians, clan conflicts, religious extremism, etc. Actually, koonfuria is now more democratic and free than Somaliland. Remember our parliamentarians have now effectively turned what was supposed to be their five year term into a lifetime job. 

Very weak logic. 

Puntland has a deal with Mogadishu, are they doing better than Somaliland? 

Sometimes I wonder, do Somalilanders with such weak disposition lack intellect, vision... or both? 

We in Somaliland have so much to work on, from corruptions to tribalism to management of resources... you name it. But a deal with Mogadishu will never be the answer.

Have some self-respect, Somaliland is one of the five Somali regions, the first independent Somali state, you would not seek anything from Mogadishu more than you would Djibouti, Jigjiga or Garissa. You are on equal footing with the four other Somali regions, not a renegade part of one of them. For anyone delusional enough to imagine a deal with Mogadishu being the answer, I reiterate.. look at Puntland. 

You're almost as delusional looking towards Mogadishu for your solutions as Mogadishans are when they look towards AMISOM/UN/Ethiopia for their solutions.

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Amigos said:

Very weak logic. 

Puntland has a deal with Mogadishu, are they doing better than Somaliland? 

Sometimes I wonder, do Somalilanders with such weak disposition lack intellect, vision... or both? 

We in Somaliland have so much to work on, from corruptions to tribalism to management of resources... you name it. But a deal with Mogadishu will never be the answer.

Have some self-respect, Somaliland is one of the five Somali regions, the first independent Somali state, you would not seek anything from Mogadishu more than you would Djibouti, Jigjiga or Garissa. You are on equal footing with the four other Somali regions, not a renegade part of one of them. For anyone delusional enough to imagine a deal with Mogadishu being the answer, I reiterate.. look at Puntland. 

You're almost as delusional looking towards Mogadishu for your solutions as Mogadishans are when they look towards AMISOM/UN/Ethiopia for their solutions.

You are comparing apples to oranges. Puntland wants to redefine the relationship and no cut it off hence their push for the ill conceived federalism. More importantly, Puntland is party to Somalia's problems.  It is not stand alone entity.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Tallaabo said:

Xaajiyoow koonfuria isn't stopping anything. What you call the "will of the people" has nowadays turned into the will of only the accursed kleptocracy. Nowadays, there is absolutely nothing the average Somalilander gains from Somaliland's separation and this is not the fault of Farmaajo or any other Koonfurian. It is exclusively due to the failure of Somaliland's political elite.

Just think about this: Somaliland has been independent of Mogadishu for almost thirty years now and still today our politicians are fighting over the composition of the electoral commission!!! They don't even pretend to be working for the interest of the people. Its all about them and their personal interests. In those thirty years nations including China and India have become superpowers and indeed in the nineteenth century it took about three decades for feudal Japan to develop into modern empire. So what future has this inept and out of touch kleptocracy got?

On the contrary, I think life would be much better for the masses if a deal is reached with Mogadishu. After all, what is the purpose of breaking away if we have all the problems associated with koonfuria in Somaliland. Tribalism, daylight robbery of public resources by politicians, clan conflicts, religious extremism, etc. Actually, koonfuria is now more democratic and free than Somaliland. Remember our parliamentarians have now effectively turned what was supposed to be their five year term into a lifetime job. 

The problem is how the average Somali sees his relationship with their leadership. The  relationship is one way. There is no incentive for Somali leaders to change their behavior because they have came to understand  the Somali person will never demand any accountability. 

If anything the Somali person will literally die for the so called leader despite the leader's abuse behavior.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Amigos   
2 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

You are comparing apples to oranges. Puntland wants to redefine the relationship and no cut it off hence their push for the ill conceived federalism. More importantly, Puntland is party to Somalia's problems.  It is not stand alone entity.

My point stands: 

Puntland is part and parcel of the federal system; did that make it prosper more than Somaliland? 

Its a very clear point.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
galbeedi   

Dhaqaale,

Why not enroll the university of our esteemed Proff. Xaaji Xanjuf and get some badly needed history lessons. You seem like a someone who was born last night.

I advise you to read more and came back in two or three years. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
gooni   

Sir xunjuf... you gave the man, very wrong information. 

Barre never killed anyone because his clans or genders, don't waste your time nonsense.

Si fiican u warayso adeer mujaahid biixi markuu retire noqdo oo beenta kursiga lagu xajisto uu ka dego.

Snm madax kuma yarayn iyo saraakiil ganacsato hal-abuur iyo xigmad intaba

Dad koonfurtu necebtahay iyo siyaad barre waligood ma noqon

Mushkiladoodu waxaa weeyaan aragtidayda in talada loo dhiibo mooyee ayagu waxba uma dhiibi karaan, waana midda keentay inay kaligood isla meeraystaan.


 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Dhaqaale   
8 hours ago, galbeedi said:

Dhaqaale,

Why not enroll the university of our esteemed Proff. Xaaji Xanjuf and get some badly needed history lessons. You seem like a someone who was born last night.

I advise you to read more and came back in two or three years. 

Are still upset that I called you delusional? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.