galbeedi Posted January 8, 2019 Cadnaan, I agree. It was dam shame from my part for not checking Mogadishu and " Nolol iyo Nabad" boys. While I was in Kampala , few people I knew had been wounded and killed close to the Villa-Somalia gate including journalist Cawil and an Awdalite who works for an NGO. My family vehemently opposed me traveling to that place. OO, it is nice to hear from you. I did mention little bit of the elephant in the room. You are correct about the Amhara and Guraage. I aslo belive that within four or eight years Abiy will eliminate the ethnic federation of Ethiopia. Every major ethnic region has a sizable minority that is denied their rights to represent from that region. there tens of millions of Amhara in Oromia, and you can't expel or relocate that many people. Even the Somali region without the federal intervention and supervision, it would have been a chaos place to live let alone visit.Every region of Ethiopia has progressed in many sectors except the Somali region which created tens of thousands of people who want to earn things without working hard. In Jigjiga every essential job is done by non Somalis. 7 hours ago, Old_Observer said: The Oromo you met may want unity of the three Oromo branches, but that is not achievable since for example your friend cannot ally with the Amxaro/Gurage, OLF cannot ally with them and Abiy cannot live without them. Jawar is taken as enemy no.1 now by Amxaro/Gurage and Abiy is taken as their Saviour/leader. This can only go for so long. OLF will be crushed if they do not form a political party or join others. The Oromo will be only free but will be running the country. They do not need OLF or any gun welding mobs that are terrorizing people in many places. They will dealt harshly. Abiy has to put dow his foot and give tough love the trouble makers. Jawar Mohamed is looking for the long term not the leadership of the next four years. OO , give me some time , I will tell you more about Jigjiga and more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apophis Posted January 8, 2019 Saaxib, This must be comedy. ONLF was today in Diri dhaba and they were welcomed like heroes but besides that, the siti party has sought to join ONLF, and dulmidid will do so too, because they both expect ONLF leadership or rather they see what is coming in 2020. And the election will be degmo degmo, expect ONLf to win 80 to 85% of the parliamentary seats. And the presidency And I won’t discuss population densit as I believe your tribal visor will hinder anything I can write here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galbeedi Posted January 8, 2019 You right . We do not need to discuss Somali tribe numbers even though there was a census taken by the federal government. The contentious issue will be the Degmo-Degmo thing you mentioned. Most Somalis will not accept the so called Degmo Cabdi Illey and others had formed. We know that an empty village resided by Cabdi Illey aunt was named district while towns with tens of thousands are called " Qabale" or zones. While I was in Jigjiga that issue was been debated and had not been resolved. My friend , why not let those who have the largest vote counts win the election farly and squarely. Also, I hope our OG friends should realize that losing power isn't the end of the world. It seems they can't live or survive without the power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted January 8, 2019 On 1/7/2019 at 5:06 AM, cadnaan1 said: Galbeedi At least you could have spared 24 hours of your time to visit kooxda #Nabadiyonolol there's daily flight from Addis to xamar I m sure inaad warbixin fiican Naga soon laheed kooxdaas. I second to this. Galbeedi tikid uu iska qasaariyey intuu Kambaala, Adisababa iyo Dubeey ku wareegaaye and not give a visit to Xamar, xaruntii dadka Soomaaliyeed. Dhowr jeer aan hore ugu dhahay Xamar indhahaaga ku soo arag, adigaa aragtidaada badali doonee, since he hadn't been to it for decades. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apophis Posted January 8, 2019 14 hours ago, Apophis said: Meesha ciidan bay ubahantahay. Ahmed Madobe has 15k tropps who are going to go as far as Bardere, old men holding meetings will not make Kismayo Farmaajo’s. Ps: The late brutal dictator, beloved of Farmaajo was from Shilabo, and he was dictator of Somalia until he was chased. marka, jigjiga waan jogna, Kismaayona waan Jogna, Garissa iyo Nairobina waan jooga. Bila baryo On 1/6/2019 at 4:40 AM, Holac said: Big mistake. Farmaajo will lose his shine if Hiiraale comes back on his behalf. 12 hours ago, galbeedi said: You right . We do not need to discuss Somali tribe numbers even though there was a census taken by the federal government. The contentious issue will be the Degmo-Degmo thing you mentioned. Most Somalis will not accept the so called Degmo Cabdi Illey and others had formed. We know that an empty village resided by Cabdi Illey aunt was named district while towns with tens of thousands are called " Qabale" or zones. While I was in Jigjiga that issue was been debated and had not been resolved. My friend , why not let those who have the largest vote counts win the election farly and squarely. Also, I hope our OG friends should realize that losing power isn't the end of the world. It seems they can't live or survive without the power. Wether degmo or numbers ninyahow you know you have no leg to stand on. Unless the Oromos in Diri daba are being used to boost the “D1r” numbers. That will not work this time round. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galbeedi Posted January 8, 2019 Brother, The Dir has huge settlements even within OG district. I do not think it is even fair to compare the huge D.r with one sub clan if the D block. The D.r are stretched from Mooyaale to Liiban and Webi Ganaane all the way to Diredhabe. From Jigjiga to Wajaale and all the way to the Afar and Djibouti border. Even Dhagaxbuur is mixed with others. The Oromo who live inside Somali Kilil will have to vote regardless of whom they support. The best solution will be proportional representation. The number of votes you get will correspond how many seats you get. Or the president will be elected by the people directly. There will not be a free lunch anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apophis Posted January 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, galbeedi said: Brother, The Dir has huge settlements even within OG district. I do not think it is even fair to compare the huge D.r with one sub clan if the D block. The D.r are stretched from Mooyaale to Liiban and Webi Ganaane all the way to Diredhabe. From Jigjiga to Wajaale and all the way to the Afar and Djibouti border. Even Dhagaxbuur is mixed with others. The Oromo who live inside Somali Kilil will have to vote regardless of whom they support. The best solution will be proportional representation. The number of votes you get will correspond how many seats you get. Or the president will be elected by the people directly. There will not be a free lunch anymore. Brother, The ethiopians could not impose your proposal on the people in the last 100 years of war I don’t think we will accept it today. anyway. Good day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old_Observer Posted January 8, 2019 galbeedi, Abiy may want to abolish autonomy of regions for now until he consolidates to keep his support of Amhara Gurage, but he cannot do it since the first support he will lose will be Oromo. The greatest loss for the Somali in this would be lose of autonomy. You may lose some group benefits from Addis Ababa, but only autonomy will keep you with your culture, language, self government from generation to generation. There is no problem competing clans, parties groups as long as none of them is too attached to outsiders. Ethnic wise the competition is mainly still between the Amxaro and Tigray. Oromo is still Amxarized, Federalist/autonomy Tigray and Separatist. All three are still significant there is no clear winner yet. Jawar belongs to Federalists. Abiy is still hesitant and things are in flux especially on the ground. Never forget Eritrea is also another version Tigray, Christian and Tigrinya. Can never have trusting and confidence with Amxara. Temporary alliance is what they have since the Ethiopia Tigray was totally dominating everything. Everyone making noise against Tigray Ethiopia, but has already started to fructure the minute Tigray is awfully quiet. Djibouti and Ethiopia Tigray will out wait since they both know internationally or regionally everything is against them. For Somali there is only one choice: Protect the autonomy as much as possible Develop the roads infrastructure in direction of Somaliland and Puntland Prevent Oromo/Amxara from taking Dirdhaba completely Give more autonomy to regions in some cases sub clans within Kililka so everybody is not fighting for Jigjiga and Addis Ababa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
