Apophis;893957 wrote: LOL@ "hunted", yeah good luck but J-landers are tired of people from other regions exploiting them under the banner of Islam. Let Godane pacify his lands and leave others to theirs. To quote to someone on this thread, Godane is Somali as you.Dhulka ma higdhid sxb. Apo, you are no different than those who yesterday were laughing at us for saying Ethiopia will be defeated. Some people learned the hard way. The sad thing here is 'Somali-Kenyans' who you so dearly care about will pay the price for every Kenyan soldier killed in Juba .

Apophis;893951 wrote: They have the blessing of the Jubbaland peoples and they shall stay there as long as they are needed and they're not "my" forces. I'm as Somali as you.Dhulka ma igaa higdhid sxb. They are not there with anyone's blessings except for door-kn0bs that are with them. In any case, they can stay as long they want but they will be hunted.

Apo...It;s really very simple-get your forces out of Somalia or they will get the same treatment Tigray boys did.

^We need to establish one fact-it's Kenyan that's on Somali soil. Any attacks on them they had it coming much like Ethios did.

Apophis;893925 wrote: If tutu was to relocate today to the land of eternal peace aka Somalia he's guaranteed one thing; to be ostracised and treated as a second class citizen. It's thanks to him millions of Somalis were saved from certain death at the hands of their kin so easy with the BS Haatu and Che. Let the man live in peace/turmoil in his own house and concentrate on your own Do you realize we have no control over anything...loool And Haatu is smart man:-) It will be interesting to see how things unfolds as attacks are picking in Kismayo.

It's easier to cut trees.

Haatu....To be realistic, your best option is Kenya now but otherwise, you are no Kenyan.

Haatu.......The inescapable fact is the sad reality that manifests itself in times of tensions or conflict when Somalis in the NFD are automatically relegated to third class citizens and their loyalties questioned. It is not only the Kenyan Government sees them as foreigners but also the entire Kenyan society

Naxar and Jacpher....It is charcoal business and economic aspect that many who were wailing against the President wanted to ignore. At the end of the day, many of so called leaders are only interested in gaining access to resources and monopolizing it. These leaders usually mobilize their tribes to achieve their goals. So one wonders, if the Juba project is genuine aspirations of the locals or a plot for few men to rob the region blind while turning locals against each other and against the central government.

There's this beautiful young Somali mother married to Moroccan. She's the only Somali I see that speaks to her kids in Somali, funny seeing Indian looking toddlers calling out Hooyo. On different note, have ever seen a ugly Somali person dating non-Somali, and you think to yourself, eh we don;t mind losing him/her, horrible thing to say,I know. Let keep the beautiful ones...lool p.s. Since Somalis have so many nationalities now, you could technically be married to foreigner since many countries require you denouncing your nationality. pss. I understand nationality and ethnicity is not the same:-) lool@Juxa, be kind to Faraxs haye.

Naxar Nugaaleed;893638 wrote: So is Puntland a state or a coalition if city states It depends on the day of the week and the weather.

Is there actual benefit to being part of these regions?

Time

By Tristan McConnell / KismayoNov. 27, 2012 STUART PRICE / AFP / GETTY IMAGES Somali youths pull donkey-drawn water carts past sacks of charcoal by the roadside as a convoy of the African Union Mission in Somalia soldiers of the Kenyan Contingent makes its way through the city of Kismayo, Oct. 2, 2012. On a Monday afternoon in October, in a warehouse in the southern Somali port of Kismayo, I attended a meeting on the future of Somalia. On one side: 20 Somali traders sitting on grass mats and wearing sandals, sarong-like wraps, short-sleeved shirts and embroidered scarves. On the other, in plastic chairs: officers from the Kenyan and Somali armies and the allied Ras Kamboni militia who, fighting under the banner of the African Union Mission in Somalia (AMISOM), ousted the al-Qaeda-allied al-Shabab from southern Somalia’s biggest city a few weeks earlier. AMISOM’s offensive against al-Shabab, kicking them out of the capital Mogadishu in August last year, then capturing Kismayo, were a body-blow to the Islamists and represent the best chance for peace in Somalia since the collapse of the last central government in 1991. But in Kismayo, as I discovered, as the only Western journalist to enter the city, the joy of victory had quickly soured. At stake at the October meeting, I was told, was nothing less than peace in southern Somalia, and possibly the whole country. And the key? A giant pile of burnt, dead wood. Great progress has been made in Somalia over the last 15 months. Al-Shabab has suffered a series of military setbacks, a new president has been chosen, a slim-line government has been formed, famine has abated and Mogadishu is enjoying a newfound optimism after decades of destruction. The turnaround seems dramatic and it is, given 21 years of war and famine. But the truth is that while those tragedies gave the world an impression of a failed state without hope, the enduring reality of daily life during the fighting for many Somalis – and at the heart of many of Somalia’s conflicts – was always business. Camel trading, mango growing, mobile telecoms and, of course, arms dealing all thrived in the war years. And few businesses were as big or profitable, or as tough, as charcoal. The charcoal business grew exponentially under al-Shabab. While the group did not itself invest directly in charcoal, it levied taxes at every stage of the process, from production to export. U.N. investigators reckoned the group earned $25 million from the trade last year. So in February the U.N. banned charcoal exports in a bid to cut off funding for al-Shabab. Since then, charcoal has been piling up. There are now more than four million sacks of the stuff at Kismayo’s southern entrance, stacked in immense house-sized blocks of dirty burlap bags lining the soot-covered road. Its value is estimated at up to $40 million. A boon to a post-conflict economy, perhaps? Anywhere but Somalia. Matt Bryden, director of the Nairobi-based think tank Sahan and a former head of the U.N. Monitoring Group, which analyzed the charcoal trade, said a handful of traders controlled the trade and all of them had links – commercial, if not necessarily ideological – to al-Shabab. “There’s no question that this is an al-Shabab linked industry and those relationships don’t evaporate overnight,” he said. One Western diplomat with close knowledge of the situation told me that any sale of charcoal, even the relatively small amounts already known to be leaving Kismayo, means “the financial circuit has not been interrupted. The major financing for al-Shabab continues.” All of which might make a resumption of the trade sound like a bad idea. But the businessmen, and some of al-Shabab’s enemies – all of them well-armed – disagree. The city was captured partly with the aid of Ras Kamboni, an ethnic ******i clan militia run by Sheikh Ahmed Madobe. Madobe is a tall, bearded warlord who has himself undergone a remarkable rebirth. Five years ago he was an Islamist commander targeted by American missiles. Today he is a crucial ally in the war on al-Qaeda in Somalia. He wants the charcoal trade re-started. “The economy of this city is 90% charcoal,” Madobe told me. “Businessmen have invested a lot of their money and the U.N. embargo is blocking it. The stockpile cannot be returned to the trees. It should be sold.” The dispute could have ramifications for attempts to install Somalia’s first central government in generation. Negotiations to determine the make-up of a post-Shabab southern administration, underway for a year without resolution, are now on hold, pending resolution of the charcoal dispute. As for attempts by the national government to establish its rule, earlier this month Madobe refused to meet a presidential delegation sent to Kismayo, issuing a scarcely veiled threat that he could not guarantee their safety if they entered the city. Says Bryden: “[This is] about power and resource sharing in the Jubas [the collective name for Somalia’s three southern regions]. People are looking at that big stack of charcoal and they want the profit.” Some discern a nefarious international hand at work as well. Control of Kismayo means control of southern Somalia’s economy – and well-established, lucrative smuggling routes into Kenya, taking charcoal out and sugar in. With elections due in Kenya early next year, some suspect Kenyan politicians and military leaders of re-opening the trafficking routes to feed their political slush funds. During my time in Kismayo, a trip to the port revealed Kenyan and Ras Kamboni soldiers overseeing the unloading of cement from a cargo ship and, from the fat bellies of two wooden dhows, timber, pasta, cooking oil and sugar. The dispute over Kismayo’s mountain of charcoal may endure for a while yet. But in the end, as it [did through two decades of war, there seems little doubt that one way or another Somali business will triumph

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More importantly, can we trust the admin or the process be transparent. His neutrality is in question.

Could one buy or sell votes lool

^That will lead to setuping parties and God forbid throwing politics into this.

I request that I be removed from consideration! Good to see Apo is on there now;) Who complained exactly?

lol@tutu....alright, adios

Che -Guevara;893172 wrote: A Somali will never be Kenyan or Ethiopian even if they see themselves as one. That said, NFD best option NOW is Kenya. You had to make quote myself. Read what I wrote. The man was being reactionary

Your last words before they lynch you or is it burning tyre around your neck. Haatu...Somalia is broke ninyahow,see camal.

I guess you have unfettered acces to their minds and hearts for you to know that..lol

I didn't expect this. Good thing Sarkozy lost election.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20514194