Amatillah wrote: -------------------------------------------------- it's really very important to me this topic and we alla should remaind our selves about this becoz most of us say things they wish not say somtimes when they are angery.and cursing the prophet(scw) and Islam is much worser. becoz as our prophet(pbuh)said that somtimes the muslim person says a word,that he/she was not aware of by sudden that puts him in the bottom of the hell fire in the day of jujment.if he/she didn't ask for forgivnes before he/she dies(nacuuthu belaahy menhaa) .so lets always remember this: Controll your Anger -- Before It Controls You may Allah make us strong enough in all the Situations we face alwayes. thank you Sucdi --------------------------------------------- wa aleykum salaam dear sister Am very glad you understand of how sometimes a word can bring you to ruin. This post has been called everything from pathetic to generalization. Thank you for providing the hadith You are certainly welcome

^ Viva Soomaaliya sister

Naziha wrote: ------------------------------------------------- Asalaamu calaykum About time because the sisters are impeccable on their appreance when it comes to dressing in the islamic way. Where iam at we are know as the ninjas of our town,due to the jalbaab.. All we seem to hear is there goes the ninja chick.... I loathe the predicament i find myself in sometimes.These kafirs always seem to be expressing their belligerent statements.. Inshallah i have hope things wiil be for the better at the end of the day..... -------------------------------------------------- Dear Naziha I am very proud and at the same time envious of your strength Ninja they say mockingly eh? So what? No one is free from name calling. Even if your were not wearing hijab you would still not be immune from peoples name calling

Islam and democracy Before you answer whether they are compatible or not perhaps one should describe their principles and foundation. A famous sheikh laid the below comparison: The western civilization: It takes as its point of support force, which manifests itself in aggression. Its aim and purpose is benefit and self-interest, after which everyone jostles and pushes without restraint. Its principle in life is conflict, which manifests itself in contention and discord. The tie between different groups is racialism and negative nationalism, which thrives on devouring others and which manifests itself in ghastly clashes. Its alluring service is encouraging lust and passion, satisfying desires, and facilitating the attainment of whims. And as for lust and passion, they make man descend from the level of the angels to that of a dog. They cause him to become a beast. If most of these civilized people were turned inside out, the skin of a wolf, bear, snake, pig, or ape would appear. Or so it seems to the imagination." Islamic civilization "Its point of support is truth instead of force, which is manifest as justice and equity. Its aims are virtue and God's pleasure in place of benefit and self-interest, which are manifest as love and friendly competition. Its means of unity are the bonds of religion, country, and class instead of racialism and nationalism, which are manifest as sincere brotherhood and reconciliation, and co-operation in only defending against outside aggression. The principle in life is that of mutual assistance and co-operation instead of conflict, which is manifest as unity and mutual support. In place of lust is guidance, which is manifest as progress for humanity and being perfected spiritually. It restricts the passions, and instead of facilitating the base desires of the carnal soul, it gratifies the high sentiments of the spirit.â€

wa aleykum salam senseous brother (what a name!) The consider swearing cool, eh? :mad: Am glad you don't swear brother. You know I always thought by GOD damn the christians meant May GOD destroy it. Because they didn't say damn GOD.

Quote: ---------------------------------------------- Previous quote by sheikh but there are some people who curse the religion who are misguided but they leave the fold of Islam in the moment they curse the religion. And in the hereafter they'll face the greatest punishment of all. If people in some part of our country curse the religion it's because they're ignorant and it has become "dhaqan" but you should'nt generalise but we've to agree that particurly in the North-West of the country you'll see patterns regarding cursing the religion, prophet etc. but people have changed and now they're steadyfast in their religion. ------------------------------------------------- There are somethings we human beings think of being insignificant mishaps but are great sins in the sight of GOD. Don’t you know when the sins of muslims increase we collectively get punished. Perhaps that kind of “dhaqan†is one of the contributing reasons why Somalia and Somalis are going through turmoil abroad and at home. When a human being (notice how politically correct am being) says fore example jesus is the son of GOD why the heavens nearly burst due to the gravity of such blasphemy. So dear sheikh imagine when one of us muslims curses Islam or the prophet as a form of “dhaqan†as you put it. What are the consequences do you think for the ummah do you reckon. You found this post to be pathetic but perhaps I don’t reach your level of knowledge in Islam. So please do share your valuable posts. ------------------------------------------------- Previous quote by sheikh but we've to agree that particularly in the North-West of the country you'll see patterns regarding cursing the religion, prophet etc. but people have changed and now they're steadyfast in their religion ---------------------------------------------- Dear sheikh by you admitting to that pattern you will also be accused of generalizing (wait till adnan reads your quote) and I do hope this form of slander is never uttered by anyone for the sake of all of us. Ducaqabe I relate to you. Adnan wrote: ------------------------------------------------- By the way i have to admit dat i thought sucdi was short for sucudi. ------------------------------------------------ Yes brother, you are a man with subjective but creative imagination equipped with a keyboard (hichcock theme accelerating) Have you ever heard of caraweelo? Fascinating lady wasn't she?

^ qoute: ------------------------------------------------- Hope u don’t take anything as personal . ( and take it easy on this gizza cos he is got a long night of revision ahead of him) ------------------------------------------------ Me too brother Hope you pass it well Aamiin

Qacqac wrote: ------------------------------------------------- anyone who curses the prophet, allah, angles, quran, deen.. should be stopped even if he or she is ur brother or sister.. deen is bigger than all of us... ------------------------------------------ Brother thank you for choosing not to misunderstand me for that was point. Islam IS bigger than us. I would have been equally aghast if not more had my relatives uttered such words. Adnan It just struck me why you kept reffering to saudis it was because of my nick ha? :eek: :eek: :eek: and gays :confused: ?? How was that related to the post. Would it have helped if i chose halimo as a nick? Bal meeshu wax ka raadiye daya.

^^ Adnaan I wish you had asked me why I chose that ayah rather than assume that i have some kind of hidden hatred towards reer waqooyi. You realy oughtn’t be overly suspicious and accuse people of this and that. Slander is a poisonous vice and who knows maybe one day a lawsuit will arrive at your doorstep. What is with the paranoia? Why does you mind tell you that people are after reer waqooyi? Cajaaib! Do you know something we don't? The ayah speaks about blasphemy and what happens to those that utter blasphemies. There are many ayahs that speak of the blasphmies uttered by christians and idol worsippers that I could have chosen. Judging by the way you interepeted me maybe you would have accused me of comparing reer waqooyi with christians and idol worshippers!! Brother read the above reply posts apparently reer djibouti and reer koonfur say the most horrendous things about Islam too. I am most amazed by how quickly you turned the post to qabiil issue. The only reason I said reer waqooyi was because they were the ones I came across. That was all that was to it. The aim of my post was not who said this and that, that is most insignificant but rather to emphasise the gravity of the words uttered. Maybe if you pay a little more attention to the actual words i wrote with some objectivity you would realise that what I wrote was that any one who dares to curse the prophet or Islam is accursed whether the are somalis or not. What i found most offensive is how a muslim dares to curse his/her religion. Had it been non muslims saying those words perhaps the response would have been stronger. That was all. Walaal qabiil jecli ama naceyb janno lagu ma galo. Ha iloobin.

The Jews say: "(Allah)'s hand is tied up." Be their hands tied up and be they accursed for the (blasphemy) they utter. Nay, both His hands are widely outstretched: He giveth and spendeth (of His bounty) as He pleaseth. Quraan (5:64) So may all those who utter blasphemies be accursed for what the say be they somalis or not. Aamiin

No Christian or idol worshipper in their right mind would curse what they consider holy however angry they become. Yet, I have met so many reer waqooyi Somalis saying diintaada iyo nabigaada ***. As mortified and aghast as I became I asked them what made them utter such blasphemies. The explanation given was that they didn’t mean anything by those words rather it was something always said back home in the heat of the moment. A young fish and chips girl came back after spending the summer in hargeysa only to come back with a language full of horrendous blasphemies. People say horrific things when angry but not against what is sacred to them. Some need to revert back to Islam whenever they become mad. I really do not mean to generalise because not all of reer waqooyi Somalis utter such blasphemies. But to those who curse the prophet and Islam in the heat of the moment please stop for your own sake it really isn’t a light matter.

^ yes I think know where you the name Qacqac from. If only any living man today could surpass him in bravery and manhood! What a pity!

^^ Sorry that I misunderstood. With an avator like yours and me wishing Somaliya well, who can blame me? Phanta rhei means everything is in a flux, in motion and change.

Quote; ------------------------------------------------- Bisharo wrote: Happy S/land day. I'll change my avatar just for this week to show my support, eventhough i'm not a lander. I do also need a sponsorship, since Somland is the only place in the horn thats making progress. Any volunteers? ------------------------------------------------ Dear somali sister perhaps you should take time to reconsider your assumption by reading the below article written in 2001 by a BBC journalist! Even the west are bewildered by the prospering Somalis in their worst times. Somalia; The land of Opportunity By Stephane Mayoux in Mogadishu After 10 years of civil war Somalia lies in ruins. But amid the destruction, a quiet economic revolution is taking place. Getting connected One of the companies making it happen is Nationlink, a telecommunications firm that has grown into one of the country's largest businesses Nationlink now has 15,000 fixed line customers and 1,200 mobile phone users. Mogadishu has three competing mobile-phone networks. Their users can call anywhere in the world for only one US dollar a minute. The Nationlink switchboard is a small but frantic place where three full-time operators field hundreds of calls six days a week. Potential new customers inquire about their services and current users report faulty lines. Harsh climate But every time Nationlink technical staff walk out onto the streets of Mogadishu, the reality of Somalia catches up with them. As Managing Director Ahmed Dini explained, that reality is not easy. "Throughout Somalia we have 200 people looking after our business. They are all armed," he said. Mr Dini said that someone somewhere will always ask for money if a job needs doing, say the company wants to install a new cable in Mogadishu. "You can do two things. Either fight with them or pay. We usually pay because if you fight, you will either kill someone or get killed... and anyway at the end of the day you won't do any business," he explained. But in a country with no law-courts, few rules and no government, Somali business-people turned to traditional customs to enforce business commitments. If one of Nationlink's customers cannot pay, one of the company's employees will call on his clan-elders, his family, sometimes the local Muslim sheikh to make sure his debt will be paid up. Amazing paradox For Mohammed Elmi, head of HornAfrik, a multi-media company operating a television channel, a radio station and a web-site from Mogadishu, there is an amazing paradox in Somalia. "After years of civil war, the only thing that binds people together is an instinct to trust each other across clan boundaries to do business together." "Somalia is a virgin land. There is no lack of opportunity and every business idea seems to be viable," he said. A perfect example of a Somali company for which everything seems possible is Barakaat. Started with a money transfer, Barakaat is now Somalia's largest business, having developed into a fully fledged bank. It had built the country's largest telecommunications network and currently invests in farming projects, construction ventures and hospitals. However, last week it was labelled as a terrorist organisation by the United States. It rejects the accusation but is desperately struggling to cope with the consequences. Answering to the people "We answer the needs of the people. We are always ready to invest," said Mahmoud Mohammed, one of Barakaat's senior consultants. "We are getting a lot from the people. And we have to return some of what we get to the people." Somalia is an Islamic country and Islam instructs its followers to give away a share of their earnings to the poor. In fact, once a week hundreds of people queue up in front of some local businesses to receive money. In the absence of any sort of government, business-people often play the roles usually expected of the government. But they are not necessarily happy to carry on doing so. Security, trust, responsibility Both Ahmed Abdu Dini and Mahmoud Mohammed are desperate to see a Somali government in full control. There is no excuse for no government. The only positive thing is that you can try whatever you want. But we spend a lot of money on security," Nationlink's Mr Dini said. It's not often that you hear of businessmen talking about wanting to pay taxes. But in Somalia, there is no government to pay them to. Instead they adhere to three basic self-imposed rules - security, trust and responsibility.

Bashi Bashi You hit the nail on the head with your uncompromising objectivity. What is overlooked is that almost all the somalis were equally oppressed by Siad Barre. As we all know Siad Barre was a dictator and anyone who threatened his leadership was prosecuted. Also the background to the war between Siad Barre and the isaqs was; 1. The isaqs entrepreneurs hid their earnings so that the didn't have to pay taxes like the other somalis. Siad Barre discovered this. 2.He also found out about their coup d'etat(funded by ethopia, somalias arch enemy!) . well you can imagine being the dictator he was how he responded. The Soomaali weyn had no say in the decisions despotic regime made. They too suffered and lost. Quote: ------------------------------------------------- Bashi wrote: To answer ur question yes you and your group are entitled to celebrate. You do have every right to remember and build monuments for ur fallen heroes. I don't see anyone in this forum denying you doin that. Perhaps u thought my characterization of this up coming celebration (e.g. jingoism or clannish-nationalism) as denying one's right to constitute a memorial day for one's clan. Not at all! You are forgetting where you are posting…this is an online forum for all Somalis wherever they hail from. It is only natural to expect different views on any subject that’s posted here. Since this whole secession is a very controversial issue, you should at least be smart enough to realize that there are other Somalis who see the same thing but through different lenses. We Somaliweyn love our fellow Somalis from Siyooloow, NFD to Dirirdhabe, Ogden. We acknowledge the reality on the ground. We commend the progress made and loudly support those who have maintained semblance of stability and those who have excelled in governance and rule of law. We call them “recovery zonesâ€. We strive for justice, peace, and prosperity for all. We don’t differentiate North from South or this clan from that clan or what European colonial power colonized what Somali land! This is a principle and it is this reason that we oppose secession. But somehow for some reason I think I know, you and other secessionist sympathizers are caught up in the sentimentalities! Perpetual grievances and never-ending mourning for not all Somalis that perished in the civil war but those who hail from one particular clan, sinister propaganda against the South, self-congratulatory pronouncement that goes beyond the pale, and guilty by association that points the finger at one particular clan (not those who orchestrated or was in power at the time – nay some of them are now empowered – talk about hypocrisy) and the next generation from that particular clan has now become part of the political lexicon of the secessionist. Despite all of that you are on the offensive pointing fingers at who ever dares to opine. Brother wake up, think straight, and open your eyes for once! I post my views with civility and I don’t insult you or your group. You can equate those views that don’t necessarily endorse the secession with hate all you want. It’s understandable really for if you could say all the ways this is not jingoism or why this can’t be considered as clan-minded nationalism you would without ranting and raving! But you won’t for whatever reason; perhaps it’s much easier to accuse and label than to reason and present rational explanation. Somaliland is posed to carve-up and dismember Somalia. This dismemberment is the cause you are committed to see materialize! For those who go wherever the drove goes the celebration is in part for the day when the dismemberment was decided!! and Really? So all the of the sudden May 18th is a celebration of the fall of the former regime? Do I see u acting as a cornered kid Mogadishu too must be celebrating May 18th eh! My my...did I hear u say take this "politiking" stuff to the politics section...now u make sense for this whole thread from its tittle to this ninth page is about politics friend! -------------------------------------------------

Dear J'maal11 We don't need old evil or new evil. What we Somalis need is authentic Islam. Not sects like qadariya and saints. So long as we don't let Islam unite us and heal our pains am afraid more heartaches are awaiting us.

Tuujiye wrote: ------------------------------------------------- JUXA...gabar magac nin carab wadato ii koow.. JUBA...maraxaas waa la jecladaa laakiin saanaa? Devels advecate...wili makarafoon ee wadan jirtay sphyco sue...dabeecad xumo majirin kahor.. XQuist..lol..beynaka cuudu bilaah fetish iga dheh Sqorbian..dibqalooc..in other word..yahuu!! marka nimanka magac yadooda aa kuu haray.. nuune..suul nuug waaye.baarinimo rudy..sawirkiisa fiiri suu u eg yahay, kaas gabar maxaa ka qaadaa? lander..calan aa wareershay nur...wuu noogay suu gabdhahan u hanuuninaye Jamaal..maskiinkaas SOL gabdhaha joogo aa computerka ku sameesto.. Baashe..su u imaday ilaa iyo haday wuu gabyooyaa Sjui..waa la tarxiilay suu gaariso nogaga daba waday... LST..been lowga aduunka..anagoo nool uu na dhahaa libaax aan san kataabte..ani waxaan dhahay sawirkiisa aa taabatay.. rag balaayo aa imaaday markaas... Garab tuujiye aka tuujiye aka feebaro aka qaar marodi aka rag yaqaan aka fadhi ku dirir aka kartan kopra! Qac'Qac aka qacbaro aka gorgoro aka musbaar Nin yaaban aka ninyaban Underdog aka "col aan kaa ahay" maskin macruuf aka "maxa iga galay" checkmate aka shoobaro aka "abaa anigaa" jaceelbaro aka "wiilo" iyaaaaaaaaaaaah fariidka abaa wax ma ogid shib dheh...yaa is gaaray anaa kuu sheekeen doono.. Wareer badanaa!!!!! ------------------------------------------------- Tuujiye that was one funny introduction to some of the members. Iam dreading your keen observation if I stay here a little while longer! Ps! I don't ask waxaad tuujisid

Armani It was khalid ibn waleed who said those words. Imagine when the a Sword of ALLAAH who crushed 2 mighty super powers in a row is that modest. And you have today ordinary cowards boasting "am the man". What a constrast! What a Soldier he was! What a man!

SOO MAAL and Sky walaalo that poem was dedicated to you all and our beloved homeland. Phantasma Runta labo qof kama qosliso ee Ha kuu macaanaato

Flair for business The Somalis have always been great traders. They have a flair for business and it's visible on the streets. Trucks carrying goods with only token protection move throughout the country. Fruit from the far south is sold in the far north west and smuggled electrical goods even land on the Gulf of Aden. Economists say the average Somali is probably no worse off than the average Tanzanian and Zambian. Mogadishu now has a competitive telecoms sector Nationlink now has 15,000 fixed line customers and 1,200 mobile phone users. Mogadishu has three competing mobile-phone networks. Their users can call anywhere in the world for only one US dollar a minute. The Nationlink switchboard is a small but frantic place where three full-time operators field hundreds of calls six days a week. Potential new customers inquire about their services and current users report faulty lines. Harsh climate But every time Nationlink technical staff walk out onto the streets of Mogadishu, the reality of Somalia catches up with them. As Managing Director Ahmed Dini explained, that reality is not easy. Nationlink's managing director would like to see a stable government "Throughout Somalia we have 200 people looking after our business. They are all armed," he said. Mr Dini said that someone somewhere will always ask for money if a job needs doing, say the company wants to install a new cable in Mogadishu. "You can do two things. Either fight with them or pay. We usually pay because if you fight, you will either kill someone or get killed... and anyway at the end of the day you won't do any business," he explained. But in a country with no law-courts, few rules and no government, Somali business-people turned to traditional customs to enforce business commitments. If one of Nationlink's customers cannot pay, one of the company's employees will call on his clan-elders, his family, sometimes the local Muslim sheikh to make sure his debt will be paid up. Amazing paradox For Mohammed Elmi, head of HornAfrik, a multi-media company operating a television channel, a radio station and a web-site from Mogadishu, there is an amazing paradox in Somalia. "After years of civil war, the only thing that binds people together is an instinct to trust each other across clan boundaries to do business together." Barakaat is now Somalia's biggest business "Somalia is a virgin land. There is no lack of opportunity and every business idea seems to be viable," he said. A perfect example of a Somali company for which everything seems possible is Barakaat. Started with a money transfer, Barakaat is now Somalia's largest business, having developed into a fully fledged bank. It had built the country's largest telecommunications network and currently invests in farming projects, construction ventures and hospitals. However, last week it was labelled as a terrorist organisation by the United States. It rejects the accusation but is desperately struggling to cope with the consequences. Answering to the people "We answer the needs of the people. We are always ready to invest," said Mahmoud Mohammed, one of Barakaat's senior consultants. After years of civil war, the only thing that binds people together is an instinct to trust each other Mohammed Elmi, head of HornAfrik "We are getting a lot from the people. And we have to return some of what we get to the people." Somalia is an Islamic country and Islam instructs its followers to give away a share of their earnings to the poor. In fact, once a week hundreds of people queue up in front of some local businesses to receive money. In the absence of any sort of government, business-people often play the roles usually expected of the government. But they are not necessarily happy to carry on doing so. Security, trust, responsibility Both Ahmed Abdu Dini and Mahmoud Mohammed are desperate to see a Somali government in full control. Over 1,000 mobile phone users subscribe to Nationlink "There is no excuse for no government. The only positive thing is that you can try whatever you want. But we spend a lot of money on security," Nationlink's Mr Dini said. It's not often that you hear of businessmen talking about wanting to pay taxes. But in Somalia, there is no government to pay them to. Instead they adhere to three basic self-imposed rules - security, trust and responsibility.

Oh Beautiful Soomaaliya Mogadishu pride of Africa Joy of the Somalis Capital of Soomaaliya May you forever prosper Along with your inhabitants Oh my beautiful Soomaaliya Land of the Somalis May you forever prosper Along with your inhabitants Ungrateful are those who take from you without giving back your share Thoughtless are those who steal peace and tranquillity from you Heartless are those that want you to be divided For you are one body. The body of the Somalis.

Oh Beautiful Soomaaliya Mogadishu pride of Africa Joy of the Somalis Capital of Soomaaliya May you forever prosper Along with your inhabitants Oh my beautiful Soomaaliya Land of the Somalis May you forever prosper Along with your inhabitants Heartless are those that want you to be divided For you are one body The body of the Somalis.