and plans are planned when tiim (name arab tribe)are absent and they will be consulted when they are present at the meeting.this thoroughly describes the real culture of arabs and how weak they are in all iintertational and contanental afairs.i mean look at iraq while eu and u.s.a are fight over iraq's oil no want is consulting them although they are there.when palestinian road map comes,it only eu russia and u.s.a that discuss the issue.no single arab country has it's say in these issues such a weake intertational position will not help moslim world at large and arabs in particular.

AMIRR.QAA'ID BOTH words means leader in english.but arabic language is much broader than engllish.several words in arabic can be translated to one english word. after prophet paased away the first caliphate abiibakar was called kalifatu rasuuli laah and then when omar became leader leader after abaa bakarthey callded himkalifatu kalifatu rasuulilaah and it was too long .so omar suggested to changed it AMIIR AL MU'MIMIIN.WHICH MEANS the leader of the believers, and after him all the moslim leaders amiir almu'miniin.no one as i know claim the title king in early moslim leaders,that was so cuz the is and hardith which every leader had in mind.prophet said one day:after me there will be khilaafah raashidah-righteous caliphates,and then there will come malik adhuud-corrup kings.but in practice mucawiya had introduce the king system i mean the inheretence system.and that is where it all began. all is my opinion feeel frank to comment.

Originally posted by Rahima: I realise i am deviating from the topic at hand, but just a small point. We as Somalis are generally not ashaaciras, but rather part of Ahulu Sunnah wal Jamaacah (usually of the Shaafici madhab, and as of late the Salafi methodology, which is contrary to popular belief not in opposition to the schools of thought, but rather incorporates them all). I can't remember all the faults of the ashaacira, but i believe one is that they believe that Allah is everywhere or that it is forbidden for us to place Allah physically in one place and we all know that Allah is above the Carsh, which is above the kursi which is above the seven heavens (explained beautifully be Ameenah ). Also, please for the love of Allah stop using the word wahabi , for the billionth time, there is no such thing as wahabi. Salafi, Yes, but not wahabi . As i've said on countless other occasions, this is nothing more than propaganda from the kufaar to turn the Muslims on one another, divide and conquer in full swing . Much apologies for hijacking the topic, but i had to get that off my chest. with all ur respect sis rahima i think it is bit unrealistic to claim that somalis are not generally ashacirah,i can say somali before 80s were ashacirah,and it was only after ikhwan(not that of egypty)was introduceto somalis,even now somali who live in rural areas still practice ashacirah way of islam.it is not also correcyt to say wahabis does not exist or it is kufar probagada,sis every firqah in moslim are named after their founder,and i bellieve there is nothing wrong with that as long as they follow the holy quran.on other hand, is there any firqah that can claim totallity guidance.i mean all the moslim groups have mastakes in thier interpretation of holy quran. be it muctazilah,ahlulsunah,shiate,or even ashacirah

WOW.conguragulation. labadii hodmee hoy wadaa galee hodaalee noqdooo duca iyo hibbaba naga hooya ee,hoyaaay hooyaay ducaa iyo hiba naga hooye. wiil iyo caaano. may god give endless pleasure

QAC QAC AND SOMALIEN SAid what wanted(regardless of the diffirent poinview about taliban) any ideology,be it feminism,democarcy.socialism.or religone like islam christain jewism had been subjeced to extrim interpertation of human.all religomne are ideal at their original form but human interfarace changed it.islam is an extention for the christainity,in other word both religone share same values,though islam supersede and add more texture. both give same equal right to women and men.in dark ages europe was ruled by very extrim churchs who rippedoff women right,as result capaing began to detter or rather curb this misinterpretation of religone,it was good move but as the time goes by they aslso went very extrim of fenisim.the overprotection of women right,did not solve the issue of women under men.it rather increased.look at the models(even the somali)they realy slaves for the company, they do not have lightest right,women becomesalave to be contioue............

great topic,i also would suggest to widen the debate so to cover all islamic aspects. like aqeedah,fiqhi,islamic issues in general.i advice also nomads to stay away topic that may tigger a khilaaf. like qadar and where GOd is? .na'mean.we somali most of us are ashaacirah,some of us are wahabis and others does not belong to any group like me,( i like to be moslim not shiate,not ahlul sunah, not belong to any group or firqah)and i regard every who believe in oneness of GOd and follow his quran and his masanger is moslim reagardless of his group which he belong to as to question. what is caqiidah? and what is iiman is there any difference?

UnderDog: Marka ay dumarka wax bartaan uma baran ninkaada la tartan balse waxey u barteeen hadii berito wax ku dhoco ninkooda in ay caruurtooda u baxsan karaan... and the mother is said to me uma-al mu'alima.. .meaning the community teacher... if the mother is educated true.but that is not somali women attitude toward education.they think if they are educated then they can manipulate men.war waxyaho maxaad garanaysaa,oo show waxaad imoodi in aan wax qabsankarin hadaab kala tagno .....is kind of faaan,they educated to dictate,the main aim of education of both men and women should be build on co-operation basis.not like wartag yaa kuubahan, i am definitely ecouraging all somali women to try their best get educated but that should not in one way or other drag them disobideince.it also true that somali men disaprove his partner's ideas. like naa nagatag caruur raad weyn baad tihiine.which egoism.men men men..men. we all know where this fanatic fiascos came from.we (men,women) arenot fullfilling our role as moslim man and woman.had we follow the quran and sunah our lives would have been far better.ignorrance and partly scietific socialims is playing the major role of somali culture. war naaga haaa latashan,!!!!! my GOd. as if the women opinion is not worthy. father and mother are the main moulders of any society,if both of them are educated they can raise well behave and good children and good society as result.

s.lander had been doing this kind of unbrotherly politics for so long.they handedover,jailed and expell some s.galbeedfreedomfighter.it is unacceptable action.recently(actualy last week)s.land goverment jailed expelled more than 40 somaligalbeed people some of them inocent businessmen and women, it clear signal from somaliland goverment that shows how far and strong they are co-operating with somaliblood s-suckers(ethiopia)a feudlism goverment that eagerly want to weaken somalia through divide and rule.now if this king activities continoue s.galbeed peopel may take the apropriate action against s.landers. s.landers know very well that it is their national interest to keep friendly relation with s.galbeed,and any misbehavour may jeopardise that relation. s.landers (goverment) must think and think twice of their policies.it is the last chance,any retaliatory action from s.galbeed will have devastating impact on s.landers's national ecomomy.s.galbeed will not take action unless they are pushed to the wall.

good for who will attend,i can't cuz i am far away(living in dublin)but i hope u guys will post the reports and mawaacida.i listend some of sheikh hamza yusuf,woow it was brilliant,unresistable. and where somali sheikhs,MMMMMMMMMMMM are they ??????????????????????] good luck

guys there first and foremost there is one thing i notice of ur books,which is most of u read english books mostly authored by westerners,i am not against it but u have to try arabic and islamic books as well.to return to topic: i recently read four books,very nice,thoroughly enjoyed and demand more all time.unresistable books . 1- autobiography unescapable question by alija izetbegovic the books consist of memoirs and sotries of the former president of bosnia republlic the diffculties he wentunder and how he was preoccupied by the decline moslim world. 2- islam between west and east by alija izetbogevic philosophical analyist of islam and thorough refut of west idoeology.i pesonaly recomend those book. 3- hataa laa takuuna kalan (arabic) by ali qarni. this very nice,stimulating book, 4- tuhfatul al-awfiyaa by sh.ibrahim cabdalah (arabic) this book is about the history of somali strugle against ethiopian deceptions and european colonial powers especialy the great role of somaligalbeed. i recommend to all these books.

al hamdulilaah aladii jaclanaa muslimiin.this very shoking story,it is shocking cuz those people live among the societies we live with,they are part of wide community who dispaired live.they believe nothing.i fear very much for those of us who have children in particular.they very volurable.other hand thise absolutely indicates the consistent failure of west ideologies.human have got no respect,and muderer like this man can get away with this kind of crimes.they fear no punishment as they be only be imprisoned for may be four years.that is how human muderes ejoy thiers live after they mercilessly ritualistcly murdered and killed. may God protect us.

correct me if i'm wrong, but what about the hadith that the prophet said something with the meaning that time will come women will travel from yemen to makkah alone afraid nothing but the wild animals, and the narrator said i have seen that happen, why did not he mention the mahram? just to to say that there is diffrent between mar'ah and mar'u.the first means woman while the second means person,and i think the hadith is refering to second one.

The Holy Qur’aan should not be touched by anyone except those who are purified. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): quran is holy book,of course none-purified should not touch it,but is the book mentioned in ayah the quran or the loux almaxfuud.alot of moslim scholars thinks it the books mentioned in the above ayah is loox maxfuud.in our islamic hisotry we find that prophet sent aletters containing some verses to the kings of rome and persia.ok here another thing which whaat will we do if none-moslim request u to give him a holy quran so that he may read and consider embracing islam?should we say no or we offer?i think islam is very flexible, walaahu aclam wa axkam

mis-unique asked a very important question which absolutely requires a quite comprehensive answer,sis i am not sheekh and i won't claim to bring final solution to this big "if".but llet me try to logicaly look at it.islam is not a religone which can't meet the needs of it's believers,it very flexible.easy going.it offer solutions for every proplem that may face the moslim,it is not religone for one generation or one society or even one country.one may not understand (and i am not claiming i understand everything) how to get the al istinbaath.GOd says in holy quran. la yukalifu laahu nafsan illa wuscahaa which can be traslated as this,GOd does't obligate a soul beyond it's ability.if a women does't have a muhram.and want to go for example to hajj then she can be represented by someone else.it is as simple as that.all she needs to do is to pay the expenses of the person who will perform the hajj on her behalf.but i also understand that the issue is not only for hajj.for example a moslim woman want to see her father in another counrty and may be he is very ill or something of that sort,then we can take this great gaacidah which is altharuurtu tubiixu almaxthuurat which ilteraly mean in certain circumtances one is allowed to do restricted things.if it is not possible for her to get another way of doing it then she cvaan do it without it. walaahu aclam wa axkam

ciid mubaarak to aall of u guys it was wonderfull ramadan and let hope that next ramadan will be better for somali victims of war mantianed and continoued by somaliwarlords.

looooooooooooool ahahahahahah this realy funy,but is't just coincident.may the japanese knew the meaning of thier name. :eek: real funny make me luagh. i know the language very well but i can't translate these name cuz is ramadan now. ahahahahahah my God

i want to say one thing,which is islam clearly did defined what hijab is,GOd says in holy quran oh prophet of GOd, say to ur wives,ur duaghters and wive of bellievers to cover themselves their veils( jalaabiib) that ought make them known and not disturbed doest it matter what cloth sis to wear as hijab,the answer to that question is postive,becuase there must be one main attribute which the cloth must not be transparet(kaashif) which mean if the cloth used as hijab doesn't make the body invisible then we can say that cloth is not hijab.doest matter what type of cloth? i think , and this my opnion, that there is particular type which moslim sis are obligated to wear as long as cloth not designed like men's wear. originaly posted by:lst Hijab is one of the few things both Sunnis and Sheites agree on. There is absolutely no question about its validity. i think sunis and sheite do agree upon alot of things not few things.we can say 85% of islamic issues,so let us look the positive side and make harmony

I have no sympathy for the turkish government. They are the worst enemy off muslims and Islam in think turkish goverment unlike arab goverments promoted democracy and freedom in their citizens.they do not hide their relation with western or isreal like arab countries do.turkey recognised isreal only after egypty and jordan.turkey had been bushed into corner by arab countries.had they show them their closeness and copration with turkey as leading in terms of millity and histry country,turkey would have been more close to them than isreal.today turkey is ruled by islamist party.inspired by professor arbkan.i think it is quite unrealistic one to expect turkey to cut off all it's rrelation with wetern world.turkey is only moslim country that democraticaly oposed the iraq war. i even remember a senior american official democracy in turkey is not american intrest whilealmost arab country (except syria and may be masir)supported the world in one way or another. i do not see why we do not sympathise with our brothers who lost thier lives in barbaric attack in istanbul.not only turkish moslims but also the iranian and all moslim who were injured and killed in that horffic attack. my GOd bless their souls ammeen

it was a horrible,evil and act of terrorism,those who parpatrate has no faith in safing moslim and non-moslim civilians innocent people.it is totally agaist the teaching of peacfull islamic religone,mosllim leaders around the world must act and act quickly to defend the name of islam which the terrorist intend to dirtfy.the most victims-interms of human lifes, economicaly politicaly and socialy- of these attacks are moslims.our thought and prayer are with those moslim who lost their lives in this outrageous terrorism barbaric attack in Istanbul.

it was a horrible,evil and act of terrorism,those who parpatrate has no faith in safing moslim and non-moslim civilians innocent people.it is totally agaist the teaching of peacfull islamic religone,mosllim leaders around the world must act and act quickly to defend the name of islam which the terrorist intend to dirtfy.the most victims-interms of human lifes, economicaly politicaly and socialy- of these attacks are moslims.our thought and prayer are with those moslim who lost their lives in this outrageous terrorism barbaric attack in Istanbul.

i totally agree with brother hornafrique.the point is nations can go through diffculties,wars,destruction,separations and so on put the most important is to learn from our past mistakes,failure to do may,will absolutely increase the chances of histroy repeating itself.history is there for us to review when we need,to avoid the past mistak and to correct them.no matter who was the originator of such mistakes what matter is who can solve what others messed. there is no doubt whatsoever that millitary dictators regime,and corruped ellite had largely to be blamed what happened and still continouing to happen.the greatest mistake was removal of civil elected goverment.had that not being the case somali won't been in current situaation.i do not,however thraw totality of blame on the necks of dictators i blame forieng and various internal organstion as well.having said that i believe there were many ways to end dictatorship in somalia.pullet alone wasn't the solution of somali as S.S.D.F,S,N.M AND their alike did.they had the opportunity to use the regime's coruption,mismangement of puplic funds and leninism policies, to seek freeworld support.that would have better for somalia interest and retaining,holding our beloved country together. well thanx for of u who participated this debate,

islam is not based on the human logic,it is religione teaching revealed on our prophet (p.b.u.h)it is way of life,the badness or goodness of action is not determined by the human logic but teaching of religone,although,however the sound logic doesn't contradict the islamic sharia.i say that becuase my brother Qac QAc repeately asked me a question which has nothing to do with the topic of debating.as we all know our somallia people practice uncountable traditions which completely contradict islamic teaching.for instance the pharoahic circumcision.and it is not unusual for human logic and their capacity of understand the reasons behind permitting or prohibiting certain matters to fall short.and for that reason , and that reason alone,one can't sugest why one does not feel to do mutah, we know that in one occasion prophet was given cooked meat,and he asked what is it?they told him it is dhubah or what we somalis called maaso cagalay and he said he is sorry it is not popular in his regione (literally).despite that is halal to eat the meat of this animal.what i am trying to make clear is that,unpopularity of certain matters in certain regiones doesnot make it unlawfull. WOULD U PPL IN HERE THING, THAT ALLAH ALL MIGHTY, THE JUST ALLAH, WOULD PERMIT MAN TO DO THIS TO THE WOMEN i do not know if my brother Qac QAC delibarately misleading the people by asking this question or he did not know that God subxaanahu watacalaa permited mutah in suniah.the issue is whether that permision still exist or it has been changed. both sunis and shiate gree on the lawfullness of mutah before the battle of khaybar,and when u look at the hadiths that prohibited the mutah it all emphasise that mutah was halal but prohibited and for we all know it was once halal.and from there view differe,shiate believe it is still halal while their sunis counterparts don't.u can look at fiqhu sunah by alsayid saabiq,in which he mentioned that some sahabs and their followers believed that mutha was halal.what this indicates is that dispute exist in sunis.do we need to practice it?well that is wholly depend on how popular it is. i even read book called the mutah is halal in arabic (i can't remember the name of the author)

sis amenah i defnitely agree with u that n.u.f played highly important and respected role for the unification of south and north in 1960,that was very brave step taken the leader of n.u.f and i think every somalian have for them much admiration,and i partialy also agree with u that may be the initial aim of finding s.n.m was to overthraw dictator siyaad,and i said "may be" cuz i can't be sure cuz one can't seek support from a dictator who actualy was occupying and badly harrassing somali brethren.and as the result of their(s.n.m,ssdfand others) policies ethiopia easly gained what it pursued for long time.it was the wishes of all ethiopian feudlism rulers to turn somalia either part of ethiopia or at least weak and easly maniputable country.ethiopia through s.n.m and s.s.d.f hypocracly destroy somalia.ethiopia realised that greater somalia means weaking ethiopian position in horn of africa. and as far as i know all somalia populations suffered under siyaad as norther,however they were only organisation declared separation policies.and as we all know it cuase great deal of division and opposition among the " s.landers" we shouldn't have given them this golden oppurtuniy to ethiopian,and today ethiopia solely demonaites somali future. agree with che-Guevara,that the lack of honouring somali freedom fighters,ignoring their effort,the complete betrayal of the ideology to unite somali,was largely responsiple of somalia failure to successfuly pursue the goal of uniting somali.the dictatrial regime who purchased it's remaing on power at the expense of losing greater somali.i think however, greater somalia it is still achievable,there is long and hard way to go,but we should never despaire.the courage of somaligalbeed people is very high,they are still on high ready status and hopefuly will gain it's goal.the fruits of their stugle will be soon ready.and reast of somalia should pull themslves together and rally for one goal and great target greater somalia let us revive the slogan of somaliyey toosoo toosoo isku tiirsada ee......

in the midle of high colonial period and at a time when it could have been it's exremist period for the somali people,few rather those 13 young men 1-Yassin haji osman sharmarke 2-abdi qadir sheikh saqawudiin 3-maxamed farah hilowle 4-dheere haji dheere 5-xaji maxamed husien 6-cismaan geedi raage 7-maxamed cisman baarbe 8-dahir xaji cisman sharmarke 9- cali hasan cal. 10-siyidiin hirsi nuur 11-maxamed cabdille xayees 12- hudow macalim 13-moxamed cali nuur. stood together for one main goal,a goal which was and remain the ampetion of somali people,which was and still is, find united somalia,they constitutionlised the essentiality of somali union.they worked hard for it.they raised loudly and their voice was heard by all somali people, and action for lebiration remaining parts of somalia followed.in 1963 just three years after our gloriou independence, western somali people took arms against ethiopian corrup colonial empire.all this freedom fighting inspired by s.y.l continoued and will continoue untill united somali country is achieved. that is the common goal for all somali lover and those who understand what great somalia mean for somalia and for east africa. but some colonial stooge tried and continooued to deminish the somali ampetious.they knot ties with dictators and cliamed to free somali from dictators!!!!!!and after they killed, murdered and destroyed all the somali instituitions,they ilogicaly and immorally called for separation.is very shocking call,unacceptble idea to somali people who eagerly wanted to see strong and democratic goverment out of their strugle,S.N.M, S.S.D.F,S.P.M AND THEIR ALIKE purchased the support of ethiopia at the expenses of great somalia.

MMMMMm'MMMMMmmmmmhuh i thnk let the haajiyad kenya am ethiopia