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  1. sadly this extends to all Somalis including those of us in the diasporo.


    Xoogsade-How long do you think we could afford to stay on sidelines cuz of fear.


    Che- I do have a plan, and it begins with removing Yeey and his ilk aka warlords.


    I think Somali intellectuals, and diasporo should assume more responsibility in Somali affairs, and should also start asking questions. What has my Qabiil exactly done for me. If you are resident of any Somali town, one thing is sure, your Qabiil hasn't provided with jobs, paid your expenses, educated your kids, or even protected you from common thugs. Putting individual's interest before that of Qabiil might be the key to solving some of our problems.

    Without a doubt I whole heartedly agree with you there and as they say charity begins from home. I started mine along time ago and on couse to deliver awee bit of victory through thoughtful deeds and open mindedness. I preach my beliefs and I make sure Im heard in the deadly and poisoned environments that we live in.

  2. All the answers to the whys are YES true and the reason being.


    Yes bse the people are dark.

    Yes bse there is alot of AIDS

    Yes bse we have along way b4 we even consider ourselves educated. Easy to gain a paper that says you got this certificate or degree but if one cant combine their principles and belief for their survival then its worth nothing.


    Lack of proper EDUCATION and by that I mean an EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM designed by whites for whites and given to blacks who can’t decipher or mould it to suit their own system and environment. We can’t seem to be able to chose the good from that system and inter-marry it with an African one. The Education system, the discoveries and the knowledge behind what is driving this system are predominantly designed by white and that surely makes it totally wrong for the DARK continent which needs its own educational system that caters for their people and environment. That is something the Dark Continent can never perfect it has never it’s a dysfunctional continent. So unless we change our way of thinking merge it with our environment and mould it with our visions, and then spread like the whites spread Christianity, we will never get out of the predicament we are in.


    Name one discovery that has been discovered by an African? We throw everything that is dear to us and embrace and assimilate easily. So that’s why we will never get out of this vicious circle. We will always be followers and copiers and third class citizens for as long as we don’t work hard to meet what our people and environment need. Basically an Africa solution for African problems though is clearly easily said than done.

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    Extracts from the above book.


    Bantu culture.....


    Daily Life and Values


    Although it is difficult to say what is important to all Somali Bantu, let alone describe what they value, the author's experience with the Bantu indicates that they, like Americans, wish to better the lives of their children and are willing to work hard and make sacrifices to achieve this. Like other marginalized minorities around the world, the Somali Bantu have been forced to accept their supposed station in life. Part of this acceptance meant keeping their true feelings about their position in Somali society to themselves. Once in the refugee camps, however, where Kenyan police, aid workers, and Kenyan government officials treated the Somali Bantu more respectfully, the Bantu began to speak out and defend themselves against their mistreatment. By treating the Bantu as fairly and respectfully as they treat other refugee groups, resettlement workers in the United States will help establish rapport and earn the Bantu's trust.


    Despite the abuses against them, the Bantu have been described as a resourceful people with many different skills. Bantu who have gone to the cities have worked in a variety of labor intensive occupations. Their resourcefulness and hard work is evident in the refugee camps as well, where the Bantu have been engaged in similar types of jobs as well as agricultural work. The Bantu have also been described as humble and hospitable. They are known for their capacity to easily adjust to any situation.

    Family Life

    The IOM reports that the average Bantu family consists of between four and eight children, often with a number of very young children, and that a nuclear family typically includes grandparents, uncles, aunts, and other relatives. Most Bantu adults also consider themselves members of more than one family. A married woman, for example, retains membership in her father's family.

    Daily life may vary slightly from one Bantu family to another, but, generally Bantu society is a patriarchal one in which the father is the main provider and the mother is the general manager of the family's domestic affairs. However, for some lower Juba Bantu who have maintained their east African language and culture, traditional rituals are passed down through the mother. Increasingly, women are playing a role in helping provide for the family. Bantu children typically work alongside their parents on the family farm and participate with adults in some traditional ceremonies.

    The Bantu maintain their traditional hospitality and support toward extended families in times of trouble. In fact, their hospitality extends to outsiders who are in need of help. For example, when neighboring pastoral communities lose their animals due to drought and disease, they are welcomed to settle with the Bantu communities. In these cases, a house is built and a piece of farm land assigned to the newcomer under a rental agreement known as doonfuul or berkaber, which means sharecropping.


    Marriage and Children


    Marriage among the Bantu people can be divided into two types. The first, known as aroos fadhi, is consensual and arranged by the parents. The second, known as msafa, is not approved by the parents and involves the couple running away together to the house of a local sheikh to be married. Before performing the wedding, however, the sheikh calls the children's parents to ask them whether they give their blessings to the marriage. The parents on both sides will usually give the wedding their blessing out of respect for the sheikh. In traditional Bantu marriages, the father of the groom pays a dowry to the family of the bride. Bantu weddings are festive occasions where the groom's parents also arrange a large party for the guests after the ceremony. The IOM estimates that while some Bantu marry before the age of 16, it is rare, and that many marry between the ages of 16 and 18. Like Muslims in Somalia, the Bantu practice polygamy.

    With the Bantu, as in much of Somali society, the children are given the father's names while the wife keeps her father's names. The Bantu should be addressed by their first name. Traditionally, a child is given a name on the third day after birth. Islamic names are predominantly used these days, although there is also evidence that some Bantu still use traditional names as well. Some male traditional names are Kolonga, Shaalo, Juma, Mkoma, Mberwa, Nameka, Arbow, Kabea, and Kasamila. Examples of male Islamic names are Kabirow, Malik, Mustaf, Abdulrahman, and Mohammed. Several female traditional names are Unshirey, Mwanamku, and Mwanamvua, while some Islamic female names are Fatuma, Nuuria, Rahma, and Amina.

    Divorce is not uncommon among the Bantu, and men and women may have children by different partners. Young children typically stay with the mother after divorce, but older children may stay with the father.


    Community Life


    Public life in Bantu villages is similar to that in other African societies where people know and interact with each other to provide for their sustenance and protection. Daily life for most men is consumed by either working on private farms or at wage earning jobs. Most women play the role of the head of the household, while also being responsible for food preparation and farming tasks. This social structure was recreated in the refugee camps, where the Bantu settled into several community sections or blocks. They quickly organized themselves into functioning communities with gardens for supplemental food, appointed elders and leaders to conduct ceremonies, and built fencing with guards to protect themselves against bandit attacks.



    Festivities and Ceremonies


    Like other Muslims, the Bantu follow the lunar year system while also using the solar year system to determine the timing for crop planting and harvesting. One of the popular and celebrated traditional festivities is the fire festival known as Deb-Shid, in which people dance and sing around a bonfire to celebrate the beginning of a new year.

    Bantu ceremonies and dance groups are strongly linked to their community structure and spiritual well-being. Thus, traditional ceremonies and ritual dancing among the Bantu will most likely continue to be an important aspect of their lives once they are settled in the United States. Resettlement agencies should therefore try to incorporate these aspects of community organization into the Bantu's resettlement placement and delivery of services. In the United States, clustering Bantu families together in housing units would allow them to draw on their community cooperation and support.

    Another important and traditional festival is Anyakow. This is a dance and singing celebration in which both males and females participate and is mostly held at night in the forest. It is only performed during the day for the commemoration of an important figure in the community or for someone who is about to get married and requests it for the wedding. Other celebrations are held at night to allow participants to spiritually connect with their ancestors. Night is also a time for people to rest and make social acquaintances.

    A fascinating and entertaining dance is Masawey, in which men and women wear dried banana leaves on their waists, metal anklets on their feet, and bracelets on their hands to make synchronized rhythmic noises. This is an acrobatic dance with participants simultaneously swinging and moving their bodies. This dance, like Anyakow, is sung in either Swahili or a local dialect. Another famous dance is Cadow Makaraan. Shulay is a dance competition between Bantu villages that is performed by the best boy and girl dancers from each village. In all these events, whether ritual or fantasy, performers play different drums and other instruments.

    Artistic woodcarvings are demonstrated during the festivities of Anyakow and other dancing ceremonies. Various carved masks are worn during daytime dances to cover one's face. During these festivities, the artists' mastery of art, literature, and music are said to not only capture the audience's attention, but to mesmerize them as well.

    Although festivities are mainly religious, there are other nonreligious social occasions that are celebrated, such as the birth of a baby, marriages, circumcisions, and the commemoration of saints. The Bantu's animist beliefs reveal themselves in rural child-rearing practices. Women with babies under 40 days old traditionally stay inside. If a new mother needs to go outside, she will often take a metallic object with her to ward off evil. This tradition is mostly practiced by those living in rural Somalia, while the urban population often no longer practices such traditions.





    The staple food for the Bantu is maize, locally known as soor, which is a thick porridge. Other foods are beans, sorghum, vegetables, and fruits. Through outside influences, additional foods such as rice and spaghetti have become common. The Bantu catch fish for themselves from the Juba River and occasionally buy or trade for ghee, milk, and meat in the market from the nomads. They normally eat three meals a day. Breakfast often includes coffee with bananas, sweet potatoes, or yam. For lunch, they may eat boiled corn and beans mixed with sesame oil and tea. Dinner could be soor with mboga (cooked vegetables), fish or meat, and milk.

    The Bantu eat halal meat—that is, meat that comes from animals slaughtered by a Muslim—and are not permitted to eat pork and lard. Some Bantu also hunt wild game to supplement their diets. Although the Bantu follow restrictions against alcohol, a few brew local drinks made of maize and honey, which are consumed during the traditional ritual dance gatherings.

    Resettlement agencies may want to provide the Bantu with bread and cereal (hot and cold), the fruit and vegetables listed above, and milk and loose leaf tea to drink. The Bantu have learned to make and cook spaghetti and flat bread (similar to a tortilla) in the refugee camps from their rations of wheat, cooking oil, sugar, and salt. They have also grown tomatoes, onions, papaya, and watermelons in the camps and should be familiar with this produce in the United States.




    As mentioned earlier, Bantu women do not wear the hijab for religious purposes. However, if married, they cover themselves by wearing a shaash dango (headscarf), a locally styled blouse called a cambuur-garbeet, and a large wraparound cloth called a gonfo, similar to the Indian sari. Some Bantu dressing styles are worn only on special occasions such as weddings, traditional festivities, and religious celebrations.


    Many Bantu men in the refugee camps, and particularly the older ones, dress in buttoned shirts or t-shirts along with the traditional wraparound cloth that other Somalis wear around their waists. Like their Somali compatriots, the Bantu may wear this clothing at home once they arrive in the United States. Younger men engaged in manual labor are more likely to wear pants rather than the wraparound cloth. Some Bantu men also put on the Muslim cap or, less often, a turban.


    Clothing worn by the Bantu children in the refugee camp generally mirrors that of the parents. With limited money for clothes, children are often provided with the most affordable clothes that are available in the camps, with girls wearing dresses and wraparound skirts and boys dressing in t-shirts and pants. Due to a lack of money, some refugees even used the liner in their tents as material for clothing


    Art, Literature, and Music


    Art for the Bantu primarily takes the form of music and dance, as described at length in the sections on religion and festivities. Important aspects of their culture are passed down from one generation to the next through storytelling, singing, and oral recounting of their history. The Bantu play musical instruments, primarily drums, in their traditional ceremonies. Some Bantu work in urban Somalia playing in bands for the wider Somali population.



    Here is another Somali book




    ....a basic introduction to the people, history, and culture of Somalia. It is designed primarily for service providers and others assisting Somali refugees in their new communities in the United States.

  4. Somalis wherever they are love the easy way out and have never been known to sweat for something they believe in. If you look back in the days, you would find a whole nation of people who stay up late, wake up in the afternoon dress smartly and sitting in little restaurants and whilst not working and living on handouts either from the family or friends. They have never been known to create wealth through hard work and that could have been partly caused by the nature of the first government which was reluctant to educate and make a nation of nationalists and a people who loved their country more than themselves. This in many parts of this world is called making sucrifices for the good of your lands and people.


    We seem to be very superficial when it comes to what we stand for and believe in. We do not prescribe to any schools of thought and have no sense of direction. We are basically caught in a storm that never lets off. The Diin used to play abig role but now that is no more as people swear for public comsumption rather than mean it


    When you see 13 years of nothingness based on talk that has no meaning and bribes that change hands on a daily basis even if it means selling your motherland, then you know there is trouble ahead. Nothing that has thus been done seems to have been done right and that can be shown by the cracks and divisions appearing with the present government in waiting. The enemy within wont rest till there is no somalia and there are very many. So the question is how do we save Somalis from themselves?

  5. Oh nice topic Worrior as you know topics like this dont often appear around here. To be honest Somalis have always been very loving when it comes to the elderly and have been respectful to them. Having said that the trend is changing in the west now and you see alot of youngsters not listening or just taking their elderly for granted. When old people talk, they often talk from experience and anyone who sat down with them and listened, could learn something from them as long as they are open minded.

  6. Thanks caamir. By the way that picture of Lasqoreey is brilliant.


    As for the topic....

    For these southern communities play an im- portant part in the modern political scene in Somalia. In their case the traditional barrier to the extension of national patriotism stems largely from the territorially based local interests which distinguish their political system from that of the northern pastoralists. For in southern Somalia, as has been observed, local contiguity to a considerable extent replaces the lineage and contractual attachments of the nomads. Since, however, the Digil and Rahanwiin make up only a minority of the entire Somali population it is chiefly the northern pastoral mode of life and political assumptions which challenge all attempts to create an .....

    Its about time the pastoral took a chapter from the land based Digir and Rahawayn and learned something from them. Time they learned agriculture would sustain the whole somalia and start to practice it as livestock and nomadism could only create erosions and arid lands which could easily make the paradise that is Somalia into a kalahari.

  7. I have always wondered the motive behind using foreign troops and guns when what you are doing is trying to make peace. It wouldn’t have seemed so hostile, had the president just walked in with his entourage and claimed their seats without firing any guns or using foreign mercenaries to bring the Govt. in exile home.


    A healing process should have been started and the leadership shown by way of all the main government bodies coming home and paving the way for the president who is apparently suspicious of trusting his own MPS and ministers to come and take his rightful seat. I believe the wrong moves and tactics are being used here and that means luck of foresight and interest in the creation of apeaceful state.


    How can one call moving in with troops (foreign)is being peaceful? You only have to look at the way people embraced the coming of some of the members of parliament to realise that there is hunger for peace and not many out there need another battle. Ofcouse the road ahead wont go without abit of afight but let the fighting be done by somalis who want peace rather than foreign troops mainly composed of troops that would hate any success in somalia and would do anything to make it difficult for somalis to prosper and develop themselves.


    Ethiopia and Somalia once were arch enemies and went through atough war and the wounds dont heal so quickly and some somalis easily forget that Ethiopia already owns ahuge chunk of somali lands (******) so its not in its interest to see apowerful somalia as one day apowerful somalia may demand its lands and people back.


    Anyone who thinks somalis will welcome foreign troops with open arms is really out of their mind. The day foreign troops step into somalia is the day somalis will forget their differences, unite and fight an old enemy and boy would that be another black hawk down or what.

  8. Duke have you been promised aposition of power that we have no clue about or what? You seem to ignore all the rest of us by just brushing everyones opinion down the drain thinking your opinions only reign supreme despite the majority here having reservations of some kind or other.


    As for Ato and co, they happen to be the members of the elected Govt in transition and by the way that includes uncle yey too. So if they think that bringing troops would just add to the already existing problem, wouldnt it prudent to atleast acknowledge their misgivings especially since they hold the cards right now. People of somalia dont need another war just peace and you should be advocating for that rather than just want to use some gangho kinda tactics.


    By the way its QL and not QB thank you very much.

  9. This whole deal leaves one to wonder if there is any future for not only us but for our kids. Lets pray for the best. Personally this leaves a bitter taste in my mouth as I do think the people of Somalia who deserves the best may just have wrote themselves one bad deal and constitution without foresite.

  10. Thanks Farxan for the links provided. I would say one of the reasons why there is a lot of instability and why the country is torn apart is because there is no understanding of what we are all about. Most if not all Somalis virtually don’t have a clue of what Somalism is and the nature of the people and their different identities. If we knew what made us tick, we wouldn’t be caught up in wars but we would strive for what is best for every Somali.


    We behave like we are from different planets just because we have no clue as to what is what and important for us for the future. We hell bent on destroying what we should keep close to our hearts and anyone who is of a different opinion is clearly an outcast.


    Wouldnt it be nice to have different schools of thought without killing each other for it and still remain loyal to ourselves in the face of adversities.

  11. A government that is being torn to shreds by the minute as there is no consensus and not mandate by the very elected ministers and MPs.


    Ethiopia lost a 30 year old war with its neighbors Eritrea. Now if the troops involved are the right mixture and not entirely from Ethiopia then there is a chance that something good may come of it but to push the agenda for Ethiopian troops to be let lose in Somalia is a frightening prospect. The are a landlocked country and can only survive to trade and do most of international trade through another country and now that Somalis don’t see eye to eye, its ripe to be taken over very easily whilst others just think its for the purpose of security only.


    It is landlocked country and entire coastline along the Red Sea was lost with the de jure independence of Eritrea on 24 May 1993. 67,851,281 is its growing population. Estimates for this country explicitly take into account the effects of excess mortality due to AIDS; this can result in lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality and death rates, lower population and growth rates, and changes in the distribution of population by age and sex than would otherwise be expected (July 2004 est.)


    Somalia has the land but hasn’t got the population to fill it with and is a brilliant gateway to most east, central and South African countries. That means a lot of wealth for the Somali unlike the Ethiopians.


    Its may well be very easy for Ethiopia to get in through the pretext of providing security but you should be aware of its main motive which is to try and settle some if not all its population with Somalia and that may well mean another 30 year war to get them out.


    So beware of the consequences of what is being proposed by some here loudly. You may just be the target of tomorrow and Ethiopia can’t do without ports and Somalia has in abundance.

  12. Duke so far you are talking from ahypothetical situation here and not realism on the ground. Yes there is aneed for stability but stability as seen in Iraq can never been brought by the burell of agun. It can only be brought about by communicating the right way and Im not talking sitting in hotels for long months but bringing together all concerned who have been preselected and get on around table so they can tame their own people which Im sure they can if all is well.

  13. special commission appointed by the president

    Bro Bashi the above doesnt re-assure moi as it already means parliament and Prime minister have no say in matters of great importance. Right now he already has far too much power at his disposal and the next one one just mirror if not just make him much more powerful and avery powerful president who doesnt do any consultations is bound to hurt many. I maybe just jumping the gun here but I believe every level of govt. should be involved in such important decision making process and let him be the last man to sign the collective.

  14. We don’t need peace by talk we need peace by any means, these folks will only be scared of a government that has its police, army and courts.

    These apparatus wont be created if you are helpless in a city were the people dance for change then hide in terror.

    I cant understand your logic bro. I dont see anything but anightmare scenario in foreign troops being staged in acountry that is already war ravaged and torn to peaces. Its not like the people there have anything to lose digging in for the long haul. You seem to forget that the people you are talking about here are fellow country men albeit them being demented by jaad and drugs. You can fight fire with fire but you need a cooling period of stability and taking the guns away by means of deplomacy and the people there are ripe for it despite it looking desperate. If the president wants apeaceful country then he has to show leadership by example rather than sit in ahotel and wait for his people to be smashed into smithrens before taking power. Im just wondering if there is no other ulterior motive here other than one of security.


    Unlike you who sees your people as drag addicts and totally unapproachable, I believe there is achance to prove that good leadership can succeed with strong but fair approach to the people.

  15. Lets nip and tak the New transtional Constitution which to me makes the president the sole decision maker. Im wondering if the people drafting this articles thought of any future consequances as aresult of the decisions reached.


    I believe the president has been given far too much powers here.


    So fellow nomads shall we so what we are best at....







    ARTICLE 39

    1. There shall be a President of the Somali Republic, who shall be

    (a) The Head of State

    (b) Commander - in – Chief of the Armed Forces

    © Symbol of National Unity

    2. The powers of the President shall be exercised in accordance

    with the Charter and the laws of the land;

    3. The President shall not hold any other office for gain.

    ARTICLE 40


    1. Any person shall be qualified and eligible to be elected the

    President of the Somali Republic , if the person :-

    (a) Is a citizen of the Somali Republic;

    (b) Has attained at least 40 years of age.

    © Is a practising Muslim whose parents are Somali



    (d) Is not married to a foreigner nor marry a foreigner

    during his term of office.

    (e) Is of sound mind and no criminal conviction for any

    serious offence.

    (f) Is of good character.

    (g) Possess the capacity, competence and experience to

    discharge the duties of the Presidency.

    ARTICLE 41


    1. The President shall be elected by Parliament through a secret

    ballot, with a two-thirds (2/3) majority of its members in the

    first round whereas in the subsequent ballots shall be by simple


    2. In the second round of the elections, only the first six

    candidates shall be eligible whereas in the third round only the

    first two candidates shall be eligible for the final Presidential


    ARTICLE 42


    Before assuming the office and duties of the President, the President

    elect shall take and subscribe to the oath of allegiance. Such an oath

    shall be for the due execution of his/her office in a manner prescribed

    herein: -

    “In the name of Allah I swear that I will discharge faithfully

    all my duties as President in the interest of the people and

    that I will abide by the Charter and laws of the Somali


    ARTICLE 43


    (a) The President shall hold office for a term of four (4) years

    beginning from the date on which he/she is sworn in as President

    in accordance with the Oath of Office provided for in this Charter.


    The President shall, unless his/her office becomes vacant by

    reason of his/her death, resignation or ceasing to hold office by

    virtue of the provisions of this Charter, continue to hold office until

    the person elected as President at a subsequent election assumes


    (b) The President shall be impeached for the violation of the Charter

    only if a charge against him or her has been preferred to


    © Where a motion for impeachment of the President is laid before

    Parliament -

    (i). The charge shall be preferred in a resolution moved after

    at least fourteen (14) days notice in writing and signed

    by not less than one-third of the total number of

    members of Parliament of their intention to move such a


    (ii). An investigation shall be conducted of the charge

    preferred or the cause of the charge and the President

    shall have the right to appear and to be represented at

    such investigation;

    (iii). As a result of the outcome of the investigation, such

    resolution shall be passed and voted by at least two-

    third majority of the members of Parliament;

    (iv) Such resolution shall have the effect of removing the

    President from his/her office as from the date on which

    the resolution is so passed.

    ARTICLE 44


    1. The President shall undertake the following State duties: -

    (a) Address the opening of the Parliament;

    (b) Address a special sitting of Parliament once a year;

    © May address Parliament any other time;

    (d) The President shall appoint the President of the Supreme

    Court and other Judicial Officers on the proposal of the

    Judicial Service Council;

    (e) The President shall appoint persons to offices in the

    public service and Heads of government organs on the

    proposal of the Council of Ministers;

    (f) The President shall appoint persons to be Ambassadors,

    Diplomatic or Consular representatives to foreign

    countries on the proposal of the Council of Ministers;

    (g) The President shall receive foreign Diplomatic or Consular

    representatives in the country;

    (h) The President shall confer state honours on the proposal

    of the Council of Ministers.

    2. The President shall appoint and dismiss the Prime Minister

    and/or dismiss the government if it fails to obtain the required

    vote of confidence from Parliament.

    3. The President shall dismiss Ministers and Assistant Ministers

    on the proposal of the Prime minister.

    4. The President shall have authority to: -

    (a) Sign international treaties on the proposal of the

    Council of Ministers and upon ratification by


    (b) Assent and Sign into law, legislation passed by the

    parliament and regulations and decrees approved by

    the Council of Ministers;

    ARTICLE 45


    If the office of the President becomes vacant by reason of the resignation,

    death or permanent disability of the President of the Republic, the

    Speaker of Parliament shall with immediate effect exercise the functions

    of the President and Parliament shall meet to elect a new President

    within thirty- (30) days.




    For further clarification of the constitution check here

  16. If someone really wants peace then peaceful means have to be encouraged and shown to the broader public. Trying to use mercenaries and kill more to keep the discipline and order is not what Somalia needs at the moment. You need good will and lots of guts. If the president is to be successful then there is no need for more violence through foreign troops. We have lost enough Somalis due to silly squabbles and clan wars; there is no place for foreign troops looking at the above pictures.


    Somalis want peace not another war and that should be shown by the leadership if they are to succeed. Instigating and shedding more blood shouldn’t be accepted by any Somali least of all the president in waiting.


    This is acountry that needs healing and military means don’t often succeed but create a siege mentality and to the stubborn Somali it could be their delight as they love fighting.


    The foreign forces will bring the expertise thats lacking from the Somali troops.

    Most African states are corrupt and have their own problems. I cant imagine any expertise here other than looting and ofcouse killings.


    This is a somali problem and should be sorted out by somalis albeit their inexperiences.

  17. I believe the motive of debate should be balanced and looked into as we know somalis like using certain tactics to attack different clans. Usually very veiled and hidden. I believe we should still debate issues as long as they do not harm anyone or cause distress.


    I for one think Wayeel should be banned for exposing someones address and personal details. Thats no freedom of speech but abuse of personal liberties.


    And yes this is a privately owned site and the Admin can do whatever he so wishes as no one here helps him pay the upkeep of the site and his rules and regulations are paramount over any freedom of speech.


    Gosh how I hate Somali politics!!!!!!

  18. Hey Juba sorry for the mistaken Identity for some reason I thought u were male but hmm forgive me for that.


    As for Somalis having some Arab blood in them, well you cant just sweep history under your carpet bse u think its abad mentality. And by the way its not about pride but facts.


    You have your own opinions and I respect that and others too have their say and that doesnt really mean they are siding with any side. Why would you want to talk about siding with group or the other when you can analyse and find facts for yourself.


    I dont really care about them and us liking each other. What we are trying to discuss here are historical issues rather than be caught up with what is very familiar amongst somalis which is tag of wars and siding with one side or the other. Look at facts for themselves rather than jump the gun all the time. Try to read and understand the Origins of Somalis albeit the history facts being kind of hazy and not so clear with different schools of thought being put around.