^^^What do you mean? My dear lad you are mistaken, a month ago we had a full scale fighting close, a mini war, over a very large area. From Mudug to Raskambono from Baidoa to Jilib. Many lost their lives, technicals, tanks, AC130's and all sorts of weapons were used. Today we have a few mortars here and there.

^^^The grade, level or intensity of any violent action is dependend on the phsyche and weapons available to those that want to engage in violnce against another. Today the level of violence has reduced, to what it once was.

^^^Only the lord of the worlds Allah [sWT], will determine that and not you. Sorry saxib.

^^^Those countries have more people than all of Somalia's population. The inequality in those societies is one which is well documented. Thus they are still in large parts relatively poor. The comparison was to humour the brother. Back to the topic, the violence we are seeing in Somalia is lower grade to what we have had in the war, with time it will be even lower. Hence those who want to scrore political points and get the attention of the outside world need to do a bit more..

^^^Yes I support Puntland.. That makes me a clanist?

Abu , They are quite poor, and quite violent and their government are functining just like Somalia. That was the point. Also Ethiopia as well as Eritrea[ally & sponsor of fake courts] are run by Christain leaders, thus the fake clan courts loss does not make the relity any different.

^^^No saxib it is bull because it did not happen.

^^^No saxib you shott yourself in the foot as usual.

CG, the ports are infrustructures and important one at that, in terms of infrustructure I was talking about roads, ports and so on. Like Eritrea and Ethiopia, the revenue for running the government comes from tax collections and notably from their air and sea ports.. Even Djibouti, Somaliland, Puntland all rely on Djibouti port, Berbera and Bossaso. Hence the TFG now has control of all the cash cows of the nation, which will help it pacify the country and pay the salaries of its staff. A fact that a few bombs here and there and acts of homicide will not change..

^^^ No saxib you are wrong and jumping around for no reason.. Re read the thread.. Rio and not Brazil dear lad was the example given. Go re read. Rio has a population equal to Somalia it has 55 deaths every day, it has had from 600-700,000 deaths in the last 20 years. Also the figures given were for every 100,000 populations TOP TEN COUNTRIES FOR HOMICIDE, 2003 COUNTRY PER 100,000 (1) Colombia 63 (2) South Africa 51 (3) Jamaica 32 Remember that Jamaica has a much smaller population than Somalia. We are comparing violence and these nations are still developing, Rio is a symbol of Brazil which is one of the fastest developing countries in the world.

CC: Who do you blame for always making filthycomments on a daily basis? Abu-Geeljire, Somalia is close to peace than at any time, what you say means little. As for the warped logic its your comments and not mine saxib, explain away.

^^^Exactly, brothers from the North West region of Somalia or Somaliland state of Somalia. Should not always think that a gun battle here is precursour to war.

Saaxiib, its an interesting hypothesis, but one of the points of a government is that it alone has teh monopoly to exercise power - violence being the extereme. Anyhow, the TFG is not long in power and does not have resources, unilateral support, or infastructure, as such it exists as a government only in Mr CG, the TFG has the control of all the existing infrustructure in Somalia, for exampel the Port and airport of all the 15 regions including those in Puntland, Kismayu, Mogadushu, Baidoa airport and so on. It has started to collect taxes in Baidoa, Beledweyne, Afgoyee and soon all the other regions will follow. The fact that it has the most guns in the country and man power with the defeat of its only serious rival underscores my point. It has many promises from the international community, some world powers like China, and the US are very keen on the natural resource aspect of the puzzle. If one wants to through in Haiti, I would like to add that Jamaica is as violent and has a functioning state. My point again is simple, if the "insurgents" can not so far fresh from their defeat can not muster enough ment to take over and hold a single region then they can nor prevent the TFG to run the country..

Now ask yourslef are these nations not functioning, do they need a national reconciliation conference? Should they add these criminals into their government, and give them some important posts? One can say that more people died in Rio, Colombia and South Afric than Somalia today and yet they are functining. Thus if these "insurgents" want to be taken seriously they need to take over at least a couple of regions before we can even start speaking about them in any fashion.

This is from 2003...Colombia murder rate soars.. A Colombian human rights group, the Permanent Committee for the Defence of Human Rights (CPDH), has just released its annual report on the state of violence in Colombia COLOMBIA VIOLENCE 2002 32,000 homicides 5,500 politically motivated 5,000 right-wing killings 30 murders per 100,000

The government says there has been a 10% fall in the numbers of serious crimes since the introduction of democracy in 1994. But with murders still running at more than 18,000 a year, or about 50 a day, :eek: one survey showed that nearly 60% of South Africans feel unsafe leaving their homes after dark. The scale of the killings again drew attention at the weekend with the murder of the prominent historian David Rattray, who was shot dead at his home in rural KwaZulu-Natal. source

TOP TEN COUNTRIES FOR HOMICIDE, 2003 COUNTRY PER 100,000 (1) Colombia 63 (2) South Africa 51 (3) Jamaica 32 (4) Venezuela 32 (5) Russia 19 (6) Mexico 13 (7) Lithuania 10 (8) Estonia 10 (9) Latvia 10 (10) Belarus 9

Violent Rio a river of blood By Anton Foek SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES RIO DE JANEIRO — One of the most beautiful cities in the world, this former capital of Brazil is rapidly becoming one of the most violent. In "Civil War," a recent book by Dr. Luis Mir, an emergency-room physician in Sao Paulo, the author said there were 600,000 killings in Rio by gangsters and police in the past 20 years. Several leading newspapers corrected him, counting 700,000 homicides in that period. Allowing for five leap years in those two decades, this averages 82 killings every day in Rio by Dr. Mir's count, or 96 homicides per day, if the newspapers are right. Another way of putting it is in killings per year per 100,000 population: For the entire United States, the figure is 10; in Rio de Janeiro, it's 55. This level of violence is that of a war that continues after 20 years with no truce in sight in a city of 10 million inhabitants and some 400 slums. "We are all in shock," said Nanko van Buren, a European aid worker in Rocinha -- with almost a half-million people, the largest slum in Latin America. He works with the Institute of Brazilian Innovations in Social Health (known by its Portuguese acronym, IBISS), a nongovernmental organization trying to improve living standards of the poor. At least twice a week, he dodges stray bullets and runs for his life.

Many here have this idea that the recent low scale criminal acts in Mogadishu will some how derail the TFG. There is one power in Somalia, it controls all of the 15 regions which make up Puntland and the whole south including the capital Mogadishu... Now lets look at examples from the rest of the world in order to get a better picture and ask does violence of this nature stop a nation moving forwrad?

^^^Saxib the story is bull, your whole "insurgency" is bull. There are criminal acts taking place and they will be overcome with time..INSHA ALLAH

********no insults please*********** [ February 11, 2007, 11:18 PM: Message edited by: Libaax-Sankataabte ]

Madaxweynaha dowladda KMG oo magacaabay maamulada gobolada Bakool, J/hoose iyo J/dhexe. Baydhabo(kismaayopost)- Wareegto maanta kasoo baxday xafiiska Madaxweynaha dowladda Federaalka KMG ah ee Soomaaliya Md. Cabdullaahi Yuusuf Axmed ayaa lagu magacaabay maamulada gobolada Jubbada Hoose Jubbada Dhexe iyo Bakool. Madaxweynaha ayaa sheegay in magacaabistan ay ka danbeysay kadib markii la tixgeliyay mas'uuliyada dowladda KMG ah ee ka saaran dib u dhiska dalka iyo maamulada gobolada waxayna magacaabistan ay timid wadatashiyo dheer oo madaxweynaha uu la sameeyay waxgaradka goboladaasi.

^^^Thus now they are targeting the TFG & Ethiopian forces right...Great logic indeed..

^^^The TFG has enough men and do not require my service. The desperate side needs people and not the Federal Government of Somalia..

^^^You are the one who is so driven by clan he has nothing else to do but hide behind the faih. As for the 10,000 troops, they are just a new batch there is more coming and insh Allah there will be peace in Somalia and social justice for all the people specillay the unarmed clans who have been robbed of their lands. The properties will be returned and a new Somalia will emerge insha ALLAH.