Man Friday, Tarteebso, abti. I was just getting started. There's a whole lotta crap that you doled out in your posts on this thread, and you gotta be held accountable for it. Nomads seem to be tip-toeing around holding your feet to the fire, on account of your grief and mourning, but I have dispensed with social niceties a long time back. Back when Soomali oo kala baxthay Gaal-raac vs Gaal-deed. It's good to see you flying your new "Ethiopia is our better choice" flag and have your feet firmly planted on the Gaalo-raac side. No more tortured 'neutral sympathizin' for ya. I like that. You do have the option of having everything you said on this thread stricken from the record due to the whole emotional outburst, otherwise you'll be hanged by your own words. Saan aa ka-waday iyo saan baa ula-jeeda will not avail you. More later.....

Adeer Kashafa, you have lost, your fascist clan militias have lost. Duqa, do you even know what fascism is ? Mase you're just using it to sound knowledgeable ? Explain fascism to the gallery in at least a paragraph, your own words, no googling. You remind me of that parrot on FOX news who drops 'Islamofascism' on the audience every 10 seconds. He was then challenged by a guest and couldn't even say what fascism is . He heard it somewhere, it sounded 'big' and good, so he used it. Big words oo macnaheeda la aqoonin aala iska isticmaala, caku iyo jaahil booq-badan.

At this rate, Ethiopia is the better choice than these barbaric Shayadeen criminals Ethiopia is the better choice just because one of your dhabo-dhilif cousins got rightly slaughtered ? Beautiful. Grief and rage(even when contrived) has a way of making people utter the unthinkable. But even then, Waa xanaaqsanaa is no excuse to speak like an imbecile. Perhaps you will also renounce Islam and proclaim yourself a Christian while you're still doing the whole contrived anger thang. Go on. Let it all out. Announce that you are applying to be the personal foot-washer of Meles Zenawi(the regular body washing position is occupied by Duke). Go to the Ethiopian embassy in your neck of the woods and offer your services as a dhabo-dhilif spy. Swear to avenge the death of your mercenary road bandit of a cousin. Commission a poet to eulogize him and his Isbaaro(road-block) exploits. Swear an oath to make it your life's mission to serve Ethiopian interests. "They killed my cousin so I'll go off the deep end" is some comical shit ya just can't manufacture, lol. You know the world is coming to an end when people start blubbering over the oh-so-deserved, oh-so-just execution of a traitorous monster who made it his life's work to prey on the weak and the innocent. You woulda thought people would join the villagers and the shacab in rejoicing over the destruction of these Moooriyaaan. But, no: Tragedy only counts when it hits the Tol-ka. Dhabo-dhilif Logic 101 for ya. Qul Muutuu bi qaydikum All the way, homey. Yaaba is gaaray. Edit: It's times like this when my signature line becomes ever more telling: Don't blame Ethiopia, don't blame the TFG, sure as heck don't blame my Adeero even if they are the scum of the earth who's entire career is to rape, kill, pillage, and plunder. No. The blame is on the men wearing the red Cimaamads who are waging time-honoured resistance. And in the event that one of my collaboratin' adeero reaps that bitter harvest of death that he so happily sowed, then I will take his place and stand for what he stood for: Ethiopia, iyaaka nacbuda wa iyaaka nastaceen.

^^ Baroor-kaas iyo cabaad-kaaas orod Adeer Zenawi ula-tag. Jilbaha intaa qabsatid, Offer to sell yourself, your family, your deen, your dal, and your dad in return for 30 pieces of Silver and enough armaments to 'attempt'(cagaha wax ka day) to fight the Shabaabi Monsters. You will not be the first Somali to do so, nor will you be the last. But rest assured that you and your dying breed of Dhabo-dhilif traitors have but one unrelenting fate on this earth: Dhulinimo iyo hawaan aa nee sugnaatay. That is of course after you taste the bitter fruits of Khiyaana. You ain't seen nuttin' yet. Ilaahay nolal ha kugu gaarsiiyo inaa aragtid dhamaan geesaha Somalia oo laga tir-tiray your qurun qabiil idealogy, oo dagahaaga ku maqashid: Allahu Akbar Wa Nasru Lanaa. The panic and wal-bahaar is written in the nuance of your every sentence. Adjust the baroor-level accordingly. You sense it in your bones as you face an enemy you do not know how to handle, let alone fight. Ileen Xabashta aa uu yeeratay inay wadan-ka ku qabtaan and they're gettin killed with their eyes open. It was just doraad when Diinsoor fell to the Sons of Somalia within 2 hours. They came, they saw, they conquered, they gave a eloquent speech to their Somali brethren outlining their purpose and goals, and then mission accomplished, they swiftly withdrew. A new age is dawning for Somalia yaa Dhabo-dhilif, can you feel it ? It's in the air, can you smell it ? And all the while, you find yourself marching towards eternal disgrace as you tug at the googarad of Adeer Zenawi: Deliver us, kind Master, from the fury of the Muqaawama. They torment us at every turn, send us fleeing for dear life at every corner. Balees, we will do anything for you. Our wives ? Take them. Our wealth ? It's yours. You want us to hand over any terrorist-wadaad-argogixis ? Done deal. You want to erect bases on every corner ? Amrak mutaac ya Sayyidi ! What's that ? You want a lap dance ? I, Jaale Jujie, will do the honours myself.

Interview Newsweek: How important is your relationship with the Ethiopian government? The TFG came back to Somalia with the help of Ethiopian troops, but is the presence of Ethiopian troops there harmful to the legitimacy of your government? Nur Cade : Not at all, not at all .The Ethiopian government came to our aid at a moment when this aid was badly needed. Since then it has continued to support us in relation to the security restoration . Security Restoration. Beautiful. Orwellian euphemism at it's finest. A refresher below: Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism., question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. Defenseless villages are bombarded from the air, the inhabitants driven out into the countryside, the cattle machine-gunned, the huts set on fire with incendiary bullets: this is called pacification . Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is called transfer of population or rectification of frontiers. People are imprisoned for years without trial, or shot in the back of the neck or sent to die of scurvy in Arctic lumber camps: this is called elimination of unreliable elements . Thousands of civilian premature expiration and collateral damage = Security Restoration. 2 million refugees involuntarily vacationing in the bleak, arid, spectacular Somali countryside = Security Restoration. Rent-a-Tree initiative = Security Restoration. Sexual relief and unilateral carnal congress = Security Restoration. Pillage-N-Plunder free pass = Security Restoration Oh, it gets better. Newsweek: A few U.N. officials have said that Somalia is Africa's worst humanitarian crisis .Is it really that bad? Nur Cade: I would not say the worst , but definitely we have to admit that up to a certain degree there is a humanitarian crisis, which cannot be denied. You can imagine that if the security situation is so bad, the access for humanitarian operations is hampered. But right now we are witnessing a visible improvement. We will try our best so that the relief operations intended to reach the vulnerable people are not hampered. Translation: "It ain't too bad, man. Nothing too serious, ya heard ? There's a certain degree(flashes air-quotes) of humanitarian crisis, mostly manufactured and contrived by the media and special interest groups(NGOs, WFP, World Health, etc) , but it's mostly just a tad bit of real suffering, and ya-know-what, we got it all under control. For example, we recently ordered that all food & medicine shipments to the Tree-Squatters be stopped, for two important reasons: a) We had highly classified intelligence reports( basically, My cousin Maxamed Dheere said so) that they were Al-Qawaida terrorists disguised as refuges. b) My boss, Yey, said that they haven't really suffered that much...or enough. But we have rectified our initial missteps and we're improving every day." This is the man anointed by some as the Saviour of Somalia. Their delusional hero-worship borders on the obscene: OMG, he free'd Axmed Diriye, he's a hero ! OMG, there are highly classified intelligence reports(Waxaa la yiri) that say the Ethiopians are unhappy with the level of his servitude, they wish he would increase his obeisance level, and guess what, he refused ! He's a hero, gabartay-tha aa ku daraa ! OMG, he actually said that he would head to Asmara to negotiate before he backtracked and said No, such resolve, integrity, and fortitude, he's a hero ! Spin your way out of this one, boys.

And believe me if it was up to me, Qeybdiid, Indha cadde, Morgan, M’dheere, yalaxow, Barre Hiiraale, A Yusuf , Qanyare etc would all be executed publicly to show the Somali masses that Warlordism shall never be tolerated on our soil AGAIN Respect. It's this unequivocal denunciation and rejection of warlords that paves the way forward for Somalia. Those who make pathetic excuses(Oh he's an ailing old man, harmless old fool ) or glib rationlisations( Oh he also has done some good) need to understand this crucial point: Even if they are your Tol-ka leaders, they, United Warlords of Dhabo-dhilifia(UWD), will recieve their just deserts. And so shall those who are doqon enough to stand by their side. A new Somalia is in the making, one that cannot afford to suffer fools. Enough time has been wasted, 4 decades and counting. A government that consist of more then a group of mullahs should be brought forward By the masses, allowing them to rally around a true government and a servant of its people Fair enough. I agree, for example, that acceptable(yacni fully vetted, no war crimes, no qabyaalad) TFG technocrats be included in a new government, but they would only be operating in a pure administrative capacity due to their technical knowledge(or other strategic value, ie contacts, etc). They would have nothing to do with the legislative or the executive branches. Almost forgot: Cabdullahi Cadow ? Longtime CIA agent. Abdi-Qasim ? Meh. Had his chance, failed big-time, achieved nothing but to strengthen the warlords. There's also the tens of million of dollars given to his government that both he and Galayr have to account for. Tryna tell ya, duqa. Look to the future for 'Real Politicians', not the past.

Originally posted by Armchair Politician: Shabbab aren't terrorists though. They're an opposition paramilitary group . Shabbab's methods and goals are to defeat the Ethiopian military and the TFG, whom they view as a puppet regime, and establish a new administration. They are a textbook rebel movement. The Shabab is not the USC, it has a high degree of cohesiveness and could easily establish a Junta, though it would face considerable opposition itself. The hope is that the rift between the ARS and Shabab would be resolved before the TFG collapses. The optimal situation would be where moderate elements of the present TFG would be allowed into a coalition government of national unity with a diminished role, and that radical elements of the Shabab be given nonpolitical roles in the military and police . Thank you for being a voice of sanity, logical analysis, and clear-sighted commentary on this forum. Please contribute more. It's always a refreshing antidote to the rationalizations of the Is-Qancis Brigade. Dr.Galbeyte, Just one question: When the Tigray/TFG alliance is kicked out and dissolved, and the Dhabo-dhilif warlords are hunted down and captured(dead-or-alive, preferably dead) one-by-one, will you support the execution of Abdi Qeybdiid ? Simple yes or no. We have to learn from our mistakes and not leave mullahs to do politics with REAL POLITICIANS. Heh. This one is too rich to leave alone. Name one 'Real Politician' that has done anything for the Somali people over the last 17 years ? I'll help you: Galaydh ? AbdiQasim ? Nur Cade ? Geedi ? Sharif Xasan ? Compare and Contrast: Who has opened up the seaport and airport of Mogadisho, closed for 17 years ? Who eliminated(albeit a bit too early) the rampant trade of narcotics and Jaat ? Who started a nationwide campaign to clean up trash that has clogged the cities and villages, employing thousands in the process ? Who has unilaterally and unconditionally disarmed the clan militias, something Uncle Sam, the UN, the Arab Union, and the EU couldn't do with all their might ? Twasn't at the hands of 'Real Politicians', friend, nor at the hands of any 'gum'mint'. It happened thanks to a movement of the people, for the people, and by the people. Swift and Fair justice, for the whole world to see. I know you're all enamored of your GalMudug'istan governing model, but we'll relieve you of the worries and stress of governing soon enough. Untill we kick out the Xabashis, hold down the fort, abti.

3- Should Alshabab and I.C.U abandon demands for Shariah law and join and compromise with a secular government? Yes. Absulately. And I know Courts would compromise on this. I dont know about al shabaab though. "Afa xukmal Jaahiliyati yab'qoon, waman axsanu minallahi xukman li qowmin yoo'qinoon" Short on time, but lemme say it like this: You could've said that long time past and saved us a whole lotta time and debate. Broadly(but accurately) put, you want the Courts/Muqaawama to compromise and capitulate on everything and anything 'for the sake of peace'. So that they can mollify and appease the TFG/Tigray alliance into not massacring the civilian populace. If Zenawi signed an order saying that every Somali male had to make sujood whenever he encouters a Ethiopian soldier, Xiin-ka Faneen-ka would accept it, ostensibly 'for the sake of peace'. I'm being entirely serious. If things(leadership) were in your hands, and al-xamdulilah that it's not, al-xamdulilah that you are a mere online binary avatar, you would see to it that Somalis made sujood to Ethiopian soldiers, 'for the sake of peace'. Might be an exaggerated(but accurate) example, but I'm just tryna show you how far to Loony-ville your 'for the sake of peace' rationalisation has taken you. So let me change the parameters of this debate a lil bit and ask you this: What(if at all) would make you support, absolutely unequivocally, the cause of time-honoured Resistance against Taaghoot, Tyranny, and in Somalia's case Tol-ka ? Anything at all ? In the year 1258, when the Mongol hordes sacked Baghdad, burning that ancient city to the ground, and murdering in cold blood close to 2 million(it's not a typo..2,000,000) of it's people. Historians(Ibnu Katheer among others) speak of the wahan and the ducuf that struck the Muslims of that era. To the point that after the destruction of Baghdad was completed, a Mongol lady would see a Muslim man cowering in fear on the streets, in a daze, wondering how he is yet alive. And she would walk up to him and say: "Good Morning Darling, I would very much like to slaughter you but I'm facing a bit of a dilemma. My sword isn't sharp enough to cut your throat. Could you please wait here while I sharpen it ? I won't be gone for more than 2 hours. Thanks, sweetie." And that Muslim man, wahan and ducuf filling his heart, would stay there, just as she ordered him to, for hours and hours on end, untill she came back with the sword and slaughtered him. He did this 'for the sake of peace and stability', just like our wise sage Xiin so expertly pontificates on. Another Mongol woman would gather around strong able-bodied Muslim soldiers who escaped the battle, and she'd chain them up like they were cattle and drive them to the slave market. Historians record 100 men being led by one woman. 'Peace and Stability' strikes again. Baghdad burns, completely annihilated, but these men, all of Xin's mold, did there part by not engaging in ineffective resistance. Instead they meekly bent over their necks, so that the lady could have a easier time cutting of their heads. Or they helped put on the slave-chains and walked to the slave market. They were wise men, ideed. They compromised and negotiated their way to death, infamy, and the worst total annihilation of a city recorded by mankind, worser than even Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Ladies and Gentleman, I present to you Brother Xiin's proposal: Negotiate(Submit), Reconcile(Submit again), Unity(ABS, Always be Submitting)....also known as complete and utter hogwash. Brothaman has good intentions and means well, but he is completely off his rocker with this joint. Wax la gartay ay ahaan lahayd, if he was championing strategic Hudaybian negotiations that would make substantial concessions in return for winning the battle in the long run, I'm all for that, but the good brother is labouring under the false premises and warped rationalisation that traitorous dhabo-dhilifs and genocidal warlords mean good for the country and are men that can be worked with as opposed to hung from the tallest Qurac tree. And therein lies the root of his confusion: Naive Optimism. What he frustratingly(for a man of his caliber) fails to comprehend is this: That a Paradigm Shift has occurred within Somali Politics and amongst Ummada Soomaliyeed. That there is a new breed of men on the block. Men of conviction who understand the high stakes at hand, who consciously live the fact that we are going through the defining moment of the entire history of Somali-dom. That we are on the verge, the cusp of a victory that will bring national healing and unforced unity, as it did in the summer and fall of 2006. That for once in 200 years, just this once, we have the opportunity to exterminate Ethiopian influence from all of Somalia. Marka Xin, we'll do a point, counter-point debate some other time, but for now, just think about how your stance is so synonymous with the weaklings and the low-lifes of history. All the Taghoots love your mentality because it makes life much more easier for them. Hitler(and Zenawi) would be pinning medals all over you. Seriously.(Think Vichy France, that's all you, abti.)

Originally posted by GJ_Goate: Five years ago, one his hardcore supporters told one of my relatives that they would use the CIA and others to subdue Wadaads and destroy their powers as their place was only in the Masjid . These are type of people you are dealing with. How can you reconcile with a person who doesn't want to? Ina Yeey has always made his choice the gun. This is the same man that stood in the false parliament and declared that he would wage war against all religous men, take their wealth and remove them from very institution in Somalia . Of course his supporters will blindly follow what he screams . The condition of this man is that anyone who wants to negotiate with him must recognize him, lay down their weapons and approach him smaller man than him. Who's going to meet those demands. In the face of this irrefutable argument, you will find only silence amongst the Is-Qancis Brigade. They love to comment on peripheral secondary issues(Kismayo, etc), but not this. No, Sir. What is there to compromise with them? AH, you can sell 50 wadaads only this year ? You can only set up 5000 checkpoints or rape less women? Those men are xawayaan saxiib and they will be treated and subdued like the xawayaan they are, if they don't repent and stop the harm they are doing Thousands of Somalis can't be wasted over 2 years fighting against warlords and Ethiopia only for the same people to be returned to power under the slogan of reconciliation. They'll skip through this one too. It is said that if you repeat a lie and hammer on it constantly, it becomes 'the truth'. That's what they aim to to do with their Reconciliation talk, as it has no logical footing whatsoever. North's Cartoon sums it up best: Negotiate with me, while I kill your people, rape your women, destroy your country, and set-up an puppet government made up of war criminals to dictate my terms to you. Yes, Let us Negotiate. Yes, Let us Reconcile. Yes, Let us Compromise. While you kiss my butt. Pathetic, purely pathetic.

Originally posted by Che -Guevara: The people in Somalia have moved on , and that doesn't mean they don't want past grievances to addressed, but they have realised they need each other whether they like or not. It is ones in the diasporo who are still bitter (Baashi, etc)* about their experiences from the past conflicts or are bent on exploiting their people (Dhabho-dhilif warlords, tolerated or forgiven by confused brothers like Xiin)* that perpetuate the idea that Somalis can't reconcile and move forward. *highlighting, parenthesis, and editing are mine Most insightful comment made on this thread and a comment(in context with it's whole post) that shows why WE(Soomalida Xaalasha ah) are the future of Somalia and why those who advocate hate, cuqdad, "anaka aa iska leh", are a dying breed, relics of the civil war which they re-fight in their minds over and over again. With the passing of every day, they become more and more marginalized and irrelevant, hence their ever strident and shrill calls. The clannists of Somalia have all thrown their lot with the Dhabo-dhilif TFG. And what a collection of traitorous warlords and genocidal war criminals. You have Abdullahi Yusuf, Ra'sul Kufri wal Nifaaq and his supporters. You have Abdi-Qaybdiid and his supporters. You have Shaatiguduud and his supporters. You have the now-disfranchised Hiirale and his supporters. And on and on. They only thing that unites them is a) a commitment to dhabo-dhilifnimo, happy to serve Ethiopian orders in return for the illusion of power b) virulent clannism. My Tol. Anaka. Fowr-bointi-fife. Their days are over. And so are the days of their supporters, who we see flailing around in this forum as they see the March of Progress, as they see the last death gasps of the TFG. Like a drowning man gasping for air, they turn every which way possible in a futile bid to rationalise their disastrous policy. Xabasho wadan-ka hanee qabato ay is-daheen. Much success that. Reconciliation and humanitarian concern, are the latest tools they wield. Keep in mind, good reader, that Reconciliation and Humanitarian concern were never mentioned when Mogadisho was being razed to ground, when hospitals were being targeted, when 1 million IDPs were forced to flee with only the clothes on their back. It is only now that they speak of reconciliation, as they see the morbid writing on the wall. As my man Che said: SOMALIA HAS MOVED ON. Like it or not. A testament to that solidarity, that kal-gacayl, those bonds of brotherhood forged in Islamnimo, manifested itself for the whole world to see, when Somali young bucks streamed forth from every tuulo and every village in December '06 and fought, as one body, against the Tigray/TFG alliance. Another testament, how during the ICU-led Somalia, tribal divisions were torn down, stolen property returned to it's owners, and real peace and stability reigned supreme. Those who cry Reconciliation ! Compromise !, do so because they are staring at grim defeat(and death for their favorite warlord) in the face. Make no mistake about it: Ethiopia will be forced out of Somalia, leaving the dhabo-dhilifs behind, same way as the Americans left behind the puppet South Vietnamese government and the same way the Russians left behind Najibullah and the Communists. And when they are expelled, We, Soomalida Xaalasha ah, will sit down as brothers and determine our destiny, right the wrongs of yesteryear, and, slowly but surely, move toward the path of nationhood. It will not happen overnight, it will take blood, toil, tears, and sweat. But Bi'idnillahi Tacaalaa, it will happen. Those who call for bogus Reconciliation want to short-circuit that path and insist on incorporating the worst war criminals Somalia has seen into a sham 'unity government'. NewsFlash: It's not gonna happen. Too much blood has been shed, too much lives lost, too much devastation and destruction, for us to turn around, when Victory is just around the corner, and accept an Ethiopian puppet government.

Warlords are few in numbers. Their followers however are numerous. Marking them all as enemies as you did in your sweep is at best uninformed. Again, you misread me. Let me be clear: The enemy is the traitorous warlords. As I said in my original post, most of their followers do so out of jahal, out of poverty, and out of a lack of options. My beef is with their leadership. Cut off the snake's head, the body will die. But you seem hell-bent on preventing me from cutting off the snake's head. It seems like you want to 'save face' for the likes of Qaybdiid and Yey and provide them with a 'honorable' way out of the Hell they created. Abti, they will be baqtified, nothing you or other moral relativist can say will save them. I suggest you save your mercy and forbearance to the people who really need it, the people who live under trees, displaced from their homes thanks to the traitors you are so eager to forgive. Again, jah-wareer(confusion) culus aa ku haayo. Inshallah, I'll make the time to show you all the inconsistencies and contradictions inherent in your rationalisations.

Che, I'm against the fake-me-out Somalinimo-on-sterioids ever so popular here on SOL. The one that says scream like a banshee when a town is captured through age-old clan skirmishes, but be cravenly silent when Ethiopians are mowing down your people. Wave the flag of Somalinimo one one hand and with the other clutch the Lion of Judah. Not only is it pathetic, but logically contradictory as well. The other Somalinimo, the real joint of walaal-tinimo, the one which makes you smile and greet a unfamiliar Somali face and offer them help and hoy. That's the one I'm talking about. And it's both supplementary and complementary to Islaminimo. Kinda like the moving part of a car engine.

Xin, 'Reconciliation', as you use it, is a sweet-sounding word that means nothing. I am short on time ayaantaan, but I will soon prove how utterly bogus it is. Reconciliation can and will happen among Soomalida Xaalasha ah(everyday hardworking shacab). But the current crop of dhabo-dhilifs do not qualify as Somalida Xalaasha ah. As blood-thirsty warlords wholly responsible for the bur-bur that began with the first jabhad(led by Yey), They are the enemy. Fighting them is the whole point. Ethiopia is just a symptom and result of their treachery, greed, and dhulinimo. Waxay is daheen Ethiopia wadanka ha nee qabato. Heh, it ain't a-happenin. Perhaps you did not witness the outpouring of farxad and joy among all Somalia when the thoroughbreds of the Islamic Courts cleansed 70% of Somalia from Dhabo-dhilif filth, but I did. And that is the Somalia, we, collectively in spite of our differences, are building. It is my conviction that all issues can be resolved peacefully, including secession, but for those dhabo-dhilifs, those grand traitors who hide behind Ethiopian armour, there is but one answer: War...and one which we will inshallah win. About my strong language, it's intentional, brother. It's a rhetorical device I use to jolt those asleep from their apathy and to illuminate the grave historical threats we face, greater than any crisis we have ever faced in the span of Somali existence. Nothing personal tho. Baashi knows that. I'm not attacking his character, just the content of his online writings, cuz they stink to high hell. Like Tupac said: "Killing ain't fair but somebody gotta do it" Marka hada, being blunt to the point of rudeness isn't fair, but somebody gotta do it. Oh, and like my man Che said: And could stop defending your boy. Waad ku daba dhimatay ^ Why do you always have to 'save face' for Baashi ? Let the brother speak for himself.

When it comes to Juba the province my folks are minority . In Kismayo they form the majority (or they used to be) and certainly own almost all properties within city limits (real estate, shipping industry, warehouses, hotels, cinemas, etc) -- in each category they dominate Today ****** who make up the junk of marauding militia who happen to live in government premises (public schools, looted factories, military garrisons, and properties owned by Bajunis, Somali-Persian and Somali-Arab merchants Or are you afraid that “ defeated lot ” the folks whose demise (clan cleansing at the hands of USC militia) you cheered for along my good friend Oodweyne will benefit if justice is served This is why you and your likes represent the past, a dying breed of (to borrow your favourite word) dhoocilo that can only think in tribal terms, who try to raise the fortunes of their Tol-ka at the expense of deen iyo dhaqan, at the expense of principles and values. I feel sad for you, abti. Actually, it's more like contempt mixed with pity(Is there a word for that ?). Because you have the benefit of a education, yet you choose to frame every issue into 'anaka vs ayaga' and "anaka aa iska leh vs ayaga aa iska leh". The poor illiterate reer Badiye serving in any clan militia, giving his life for the Tol idol, does not have that benefit. And inshallah, Ilaahay will forgive him because of that jahal. One question: Kismaayo, yaa ku seeyay ? You're claiming to be a 'native', right ? And everybody else is a 'junk of maruading milita', right ? Well, Horn and Allamagan think the exact same thing. Just like you, they claim to be the majority, and hence, they own Kismayo. Anytime I hear somebody saying they own a city(or lay claim to it), I break out laughing, the sheer doqonimo it takes to utter such a subjective conjecture-ridden statement, is comical on its own right. Lemme break it down for you nice and easy: Kismayo, Ummada Soomaliyeed iyo Soomalida Xalaasha(everyday hard-working shacab), aa iska leh. No stinkin' f'ing clan can lay claim to Kismayo, or any other Somali city ownership. "Anaka aa iska leh" is the mentality what destroyed Somalia and turned it into a byword for total anarchy. Funny enough that you should quote Aideed and the USC......because you sound exactly like him. Ever seen him giving a speech on tape ? Man's got a Shaytanic fervour, a manic gleam in his eyes as he says: " Anaka aa iska leh, Waana ka tiro badan-nahay, waana ka awood badan-nahay". Here lies the problem in investing yourself in your Tol's wins and losses: You'll get depressed real quick. Your 'native' clan militia suffered and is suffering defeats in all military fronts. Af-Gaduud was chased from Kismayo with the then-record time of 2 hours .(he was then honoured in Garoowe for 'gallantry in combat', sweet irony ). The new record for fastest 'tactical retreat' was set in Lascaanood after the 'native' clan milita withdrew after only 40 minutes of combat. And it goes without saying that the Muqaamwama members are wiping the ground clean with the 'native' clan militia in Mogadisho. Now, if you're Xiin, this won't bother you. You won't loose sleep over it. Cuz Xiin's political outlook(although confused at times) is based on principles of Somalinimo and Islaminimo, ie, what is good for Somalia, what is good for Islam. His Tol can go jump off a cliff and commit en masse suicide, and he won't blink a eye. But if you're Baashi, the first to line up for the defense of 'poor miskeen ailing old man' Yey in every thread, your tribal ego will take a serious hit. Instead of focusing on the gravest crisis in the history of Ummada Soomaliyeed, the Ethiopian invasion and occupation, you will find yourself in atack dog mode trained to maul anybody who mentions Old Fart Yusuf in less than honorific terms. You will find yourself harping on peripheral, secondary issues like "Kismaayo anaka aa iska leh" "Laas Canood anaka aa iska leh" "Let's give Inna Yusuf a chance"."Let's work with the Xabashis...for peace and stability" And you will find yourself in league with the invading enemy by virtue of shameless rationlisation. Therein lies the problem, abti. Sincere advice: Join us, the Pan-Somali, Pan-Islamic Party. We may have serious differences(negotiation vs resistance), but we will always be working for the good of the country, not that of our Tol. Every inch of Somalia is my castle and my domain and any man that tells me otherwise will be given the five-finger salute. That was the reality under ICU-led Somalia where tribal 'spheres of influence' were torn down and that is the reality we are bringing to light by qoriga caaradheesa, as opposed to your clan-ridden fowr-bointi-fife TFG where every post is appointed to a specific clan. We, who you call Kellegi Muslim, represent the soul of Somalia, the future. You represent the dying past. End of sermon. Thaalika thikraa li thaakireen. [ January 30, 2008, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

LST, You misunderstand my gist. That said, your points are duly noted. Could say more but about time this thread expired. Thanks for the vote of confidence. Hallmarks of any successful entity: Clarity and Transparency.

These are the writings of a traumatized individual, still mentally suffering from the horrors of the vicious civil war. I applaud his(her ?) honesty and sincerity when discussing the trauma he went through and how it has completely changed his mentality, principles, and values.....to a point where he hardly(and self-admittedly) recognizes it himself. Laakin hathal-keesa kasoo qaad malaha. For if every Somali were to hold on to their grievances and atrocities that happened to his clan, there will never be a Somalia. Some generation has to rise above the bile, the hate, the distrust, the suspicion, the murders, the rapes, the bombings, the intentional starvation, the air-bombing, and the persecution, rise up above all that and forge a vision of a United Islamic Somalia, where all the still-visible wounds are healed and hearts brought together. That is the incumbent obligation of my generation. And we are rising to meet the challenge, inshallah. The only group capable of that level of national healing is the Islamic Courts of Somalia. Why ? Two reasons: a) because their healing process is from the bottom-up. Starts with the average man and woman, provides them with justice, and rights the wrongs of yesteryear. A shining example of that is when Somalis from all over the world and inside the country, including 3 of relatives, came back to claim their stolen property. Even more crucial than property was there emphasis on social equality and instilling the values of Islamnimo and Somalinimo in a hell-city that was divided and re-divided along a tribal hierarchical 'spheres of influence'. No more caste, no more 'my qabil'. You start poppin' off the mouth about 'my qabil this', and you will get justly karbaash'd.....like a dog. Lesson learned ? Only those on the level of animals speak in tribal terms. The TFG, however, is hell-bent to continue with it's fowr-bointi-fife tribal politics. It gathered together the morally depraved corrupt clan elders for a 'Reconciliations'(gag) meeting that culminated in embarrassment and ridicule when the clan elders rioted and demanded the bribe money they were promised to attend. These clowns are dad wax ka sugayaan. These bozos are supposed to provide even sham semblance of a government, and at every turn fail disastrously. ICU brought peace, stability, healing, and closure to the masses, to Ummada Soomaliyeed. The TFG brought more death, more destruction, more genocide together with enabling the occupation of the country to it's ancient enemy while rewarding it's tuugo and henchmen with the millions of dollars that were intending to alleviate the suffering and displacement of the people, a suffering they wrought on the same people they were supposed to serve. Open-and-shut case as it is, You, good reader, come to your own conclusion. b) They are the only group to not only speak of Islamic governance, but have implemented it to international applaud and demonstrated results at home. It is with thick irony, that dhabo-dhilifs extraordinaries, Messrs. Riyaale and Cade also announced Shariah law in the summer of 2006, during the height of ICU nation-wide(Hargeysa to Kismayo) popularity.

Your quick seizure of the mantle “SOL doesn’t allow anti-TFG content” comes off as irrational and makes you seem a relic of absurd conspiracies I would beg to differ. Many of my hard-hitting posts that expose the weak and ineffectual rationalizations of dhabo-dhilifs and their sympathizers have been deleted, in entirety. If there was an offending phrase or two, it should have been edited out. But since I touched "meel dhanqanayso, meel bukto", the mysterious powers-that-be had to delete it, a testament to it's potency.Thank you for that. Censorship is the highest form of compliment a writer can receive. As for the fraudulent claim of "We gotta keep SOL clean from insults, maintain 'quality control', yadda whadda hadda", please, we are grown-ups here. The best and bravest Somalia has to offer have been described as 'slaughtered as pigs' with not even a token slap of the wrist. The rape of Somali women(your sisters, abti) have been dismissed as PR propaganda campaign. No censure, not even a token banning. Obviously, certain folks like to come online to vent and vomit allat poison hidden inside, and SOL is that welcoming platform. They simply cannot afford to do so in the real world, because doing so would threaten the structural integrity of their teeth. Enter SOL, Kumbaya ! As for LX's two threads, it was deleted, in part, because certain nomads 'aa macaweesta ka dhacthay', losing their dignity and cool because of 'Aabo Cabdullahi aa laa caayay'. Pathetic, true. But you can't go about tryna 'save face' for individuals, and in the process, lose authenticity. Keep up the current 'selective sanitization' and all you will have left here is a collection of dhabo-dhilifs who cheerlead invasion and genocide in Somalia. And the confused moral midgets who rationalize it. Your site, your loss, abti. It is my every intention to shed light and expose the gravest challenges Somalia faces today and if that causes some folks pain and anguish, then even the better. This will not be a place to exchange social niceties(mwah, dear, mwah) while Somalia and it's people burn, thanks to Kufaar iyo Munaafiqeen oo isbahaystay.

Xiin, Maca kaamil ixtiraami, Your 'rational approach' would have the Ethiopian's kill, rape, maim, and massacre with impunity. Your 'rational approach' consists of no more than rosy words and inspirational rhetoric, words like: Negotiate ! Unity ! Reconcilliation ! Love ! One People ! No to Seccession !, empty words that mean nothing but capitualation and surrender dressed up in the garb of 'rationality'. Your 'rational approach' would deliver Somalia on a silver platter to the men who impoverished it's people, raped it's women, destroyed two generations of it's childeren, buried toxic and nuclear waste on it's soil, and handed it over to it's ancient enemy who has been plotting and scheming since 1,000 years to conquer it. Your 'rational approach' would enable and give lasting power to a generation of murderous warlords and infamous traitors. The 'crisis of leadership' you constantly harp upon would be immediately compounded and it's effect multiplied. Unwittingly, you are your own arguement's worst enemy. Your 'rational approach'(stop fighting, negotiate, more accurately described as tuck tail and run, beg for your lives), has never succeeded in the span of human existence. All the nations and peoples of Earth, regardless of creed and colour, have throughout history fought and died in defiance of tyranny, no matter the odds, no matter how remote the chances of success. And they have won. In short, your 'rational approach' has no root in rationality at all. It is a transparent emotionally-rooted plea, based on a humanitarian platform, to stop fighting and just give in to Ethiopian might so that the innocent may live: Let them win, Let them do with us as they please, Let them turn us into a colony or install a puppet government, or turn Somalia into the Kilinka lixaad, Let them commit war crimes. Whatever the heckever. So long as it will lessen the suffering of the innocent civillians(Fallacy alert: They would be suffering under occupation anyway Witness: Somali Galbeed.) One would be well-respected if one had the guts to state that directly without having to lean on 'rationality' 'strategy' or 'wisdom'. Rational approach-ow xaal qaado. If this is the rational approach, give me insanity.

@Dahia. Otay, let's assume for a quick minute that I'm crazy. That way we don't have to focus on me and my 'venom' and focus on the story. Good ? Aight. Now two questions for your fair and balanced(fox news motto) person a) What grounds do you have to call this a false story ? By that primitive pathetic logic(have proof, then act. No proof, no action. Let Rome burn, we fiddle. Bring proof), do you also contest the reported docuemented rape of your Somali sisters ? After all, according the Ethiopians, it never happened. There's no proof. Do you have a video of the actual rape ? the mass massacres ? the war crimes ? No ? Then it's hearsay. Never happened. Every back to business. b) Assume the story is true, what then ? Lemme guess: "Ilaahay ha cafiyo, God is merciful, let them forgive each other and reconcile and save their marriage, and let him continue to serve his country"

^^ You are the naive one, Mr. Ex-TFG-supporter-magically-turned-'Somalinimo'-proponet. You call Proffesor Ibbi a liar, yet lap up every wishful bone the Xabashis throw at you ? Pity, duqa, pity. What is so hard to believe ? That a secular TFG official, a man of your own making idealogically, could stoop so low ? How is he any different from those who call the reported rape of Somali Women PR propoganda ?(if my memory serves me right, you did too) How is he any different from any Qabiil-crazed jaahil who threw his lot with the Xabashis just because the ICU kicked the butts of his adeero to high hell ? How is he any different from those who have prostituted themselves and sold away their faith, their morals, and their principles to Meles Zenawi ? From those who rationalised their way till they found themselves neck-deep in grand treason which history will faithfully record ? My friend, you are the hopelessly naive one here ee indahaaga reality uu fur. Proffesor Ibbi and other prominent well-known Somalis have seen and visited this sister who is now in Nairobi, Kenya. Your trying to cast doubt on this incident speaks for itself.

And a new low is reached. You wouldn't expect this type of behaviour from the beasts of the wild. Scroll to 2 min 30 sec of the Youtube vid and watch how wretched human beings become when they forsake their faith, when they become calool-uu-shaqaystayaal who will do anything for a few shillings. Waa dad dhintay, oo dhilan. The word dhuli and dayoos is not sufficient to describe them. Watch the vid. Basically, Proffesor Ibbi tells us the story of a Somali humanoid, a high-ranking officer in the TFG militia who in order to curry favour with an Ethiopian military officer, asked his wife to go sleep with the Tigray najaasah. Actually, the proposition wasn't even his to begin with. The Tigray officer went up to the Malcoon dayoos and told him straight up:" Yo, you got a hot wifey, she looks virtous and clean, can I hit that ?" His reaction ? Dutifully goes to his wife and asks her to "orod oo naga ceeb astur our beloved Tigray guest, take care of his needs". For Somalia's sake, for Dawladnimo's sake, for Peace and Stability's sake. Her reaction, being the Somali Muslim women she is, Takes out her shoe and whips him with it. Pronounces him divorced on the spot, ayga dayoos-ka ah. Nabiga(PBUH) wuxuu dhahay:" Ithaa lam tastaxyi, fasnac maa sh'et" Hadee aathan xishoonin, waxaa rabtid samay. Time and again, dhabdhilifs and their sympathizers have proven themselves to be devoid of Islamnimo and Somalinimo, but I have never thought the day would come when a Somali-isku-sheeg malcoon would ask his wife to go sleep with the Ethiopian occupier. These are the type of amoral pathalogical people we are up against, and as some of the clan elders insisted that the man and his wife be 'reconciled', there are among us a misguided few who would call for unity, reconcilliation, and compromise with Officer Dayoos and his ilk. I await the rationalisations(he's only 1 man ! don't genaralise !) and tortured explanations(um, one bad apple....) from our resident TFG cheerleaders.

Originally posted by ThePoint: Nope. Somalis need many years of Islamic re-education camps before this is implemented. And untill such a glorious time arrives, untill all Somalis are magically certified to be 100% 'Islamically re-educated' with a Halaal stampmark on the forehead, let us be ruled under T-72/MiG jet-assisted 'Zenawian democracy', more accurately known as fowr-bointi-fife clan-based rule. After all, genocidal occupation is far more beneficial to the people than hastely introducing Shariah law. ^^ Welcome to the wonderful logic-defying world of Is-Qancis. Geel-Jire, Baraakallahu feek, walee waa hadashay, fahal min musmic ? I will recap and reiterate some of the more salient points you have made. Suppose you sit down with the Somali warlords under a Qhudac tree and they still hold that Ethiopia has a 100% right to stay in Somalia, what then? Then our misguided brothers would tell you:" No problem. The Ethiopian supporters are our brothers and we will work with them regardless. Reconcilliation ! Unity! And if that means that Ethiopia has to occupy us for decades, we will accept that fate if it means no more war" Intee ka martay ayada Quraanka: "Wa'doo low tudhinu fa'yudhinoon" Unity isn't strenghtened by numbers and weapons. But it is strenghtened by repenting to Allah swt, fearing him and distancing ourselves from any group of people that openly reject the laws of Allah swt. It is the Sunnah of Allah swt that whenever he tested a group of believers, he always sent against them the superpowers and great chieftans of the time. David(Daud) took on Goliath(jalut); Muhamad(saw) took on the Quraish and his followes took on the Persians and Romans; Issa(c.s) took on the Romans and the Zionists; Musa took on the might and power of the Pharoah; and Ibrahim took his nation/family of Idolaters Therefore, they were outnumbered, ouresourced and almost always their own clans, families and nations mocked them for what they sought to achieve In my opinion it is better to a have a small family of righteous believers, then a whole family of strong and united people who include those that rejected the law of Allah swt and openly supported/aided those that fought against his law Has any occupation force ever been removed or severely limited by negotiating with the colloborators who implement the policy of the occupier Million shilling question. Dare anybody respond ? You see, simple logic is the best antidote to the 'stop the resistance' crowd'. So it is natural some clan elders, regions and perhaps even entire groups of people would seek to live in friendliness or even under the grip of Ethiopian influence in return for a little bit of peace and for the Ethiopian dictator to point his guns at another region/clan You're all about realism, right Xiin ? Then accept the reality that there will always be Somalis that will prostitute themselves for Ethiopias sake. And no matter how much you bend ur back for 'reconcillation & unity', they will continue to serve Ethiopia's interests. We find the in the Quran that only a small band of Bani Israel struggled in the path of Allah swt and the rest didn't even though they oppressed and Allah swt commanded them to do so. So what do you expect of the clan chiefs and leaders of Somali regions that are actually living in peace and under no direct threat? Allah swt said: 246. Hast thou not Turned thy vision to the Chiefs of the Children of Israel after (the time of) Moses? they said to a prophet (That was) among them: "Appoint for us a king, that we May fight in the cause of Allah." He said: " Is it not possible, if ye were commanded to fight, that that ye will not fight?" They said: " How could we refuse to fight in the cause of Allah, seeing that we were turned out of our homes and our families ?" but when they were commanded to fight, they turned back, except a small band among them . But Allah Has full knowledge of those who do wrong. Identifying problems and criticising the approach of the Islamic Courts is an easy thing but it is hard to bring another viable solution that works Cazallahu Maqaamak. You will find those that criticise the ICU and the Muqaawma to be bankrupt when it comes to alternatives or any other viable path towards saving Somalia. Yaa uu sheego, Surrender and Capitulation is not in the dictionary of Rijaal-al-Islam.

When a Tigray mecenary is raping a Somali women at a checkpoint, what action should those with any dignity living in that area take Were you to listen to some of our misguided well-meaning, well-intentioned, brothers oo jah-wareer ku dhacay , they would say(with a straight face): "Talk to the Tigray Mercenary, give him a chance to finish the rape, let him cool down a bit before you talk to him. Offer him some water. Remember Hudaybiyah. Be wise ! Don't be emotional. So what, a Muslim woman just got raped in front of your eyes. Don't let the xamaasad provoke you into doing something rash and unwise, say like, trying to prevent the rape of your Muslim Sister. And if the Tigray Mercenary wants to kill her afterwards, run and get the knife for him. Remember Hudaybiyah ! Remember how the Prophet handed over a new Muslim Convert who made Hijrah, handed him over to the Qurayshi Kufaars, in accordance to the Truce of Hudaybi. Unity ! Reconcilliation !. Love ! (insert any other empty sweet-sounding word) Xiin, With all due respect, akh, your views have been devolving over the past few months, to the point where they are almost indistinguisable from that of a TFG cheerleader. In your blind pursuit of 'peace and stability', you have shown to be willing to sacrifice principles superior men have bled for. I understand your good intentions, laakin jah-wareer(confusion) culus aa ku haayo. Especially vis-a-vis your understanding of the Seerah and how it applys to todays world(Fiqh Al-waaqic). No matter. I await your discussion with Nur and Geel-jire and would ask you to respond to, concede, or provide an alternative to the points they raise. Laakin criticism aa maanta dhan lasoo istaagaa with no alternative course of action(not only hadal), kalaam rijaal ma ahan, abti. Geel-Jire made some strong points, basing his argument on both historical precedent and the Qu'raan, which I will repeat below. Kindly respond.

It is given that people who are related to A/Y, and who are disposed to clan sentiments, will always feel stung by the strong reaction, comments and hate towards the warlord What else do you think brought Point and Baashi out of hibernation ? Meel aa dhanganayso I've given up on debating with both our cyber dhabo-dhilifs or their 'neutral' sympathisers. Ever the masters of deflection and evasion, from the get-go they personalise every promising discussion with cries of "You are mean ! You hurt me with your harsh words ! Bad boy !". In the wake of a brutal occupation and in the face of darkest chapter of Somali history, these wussified yuppies want to be handled with velvet gloves. Thusly, a call to action against Malcoon Yusuf(watch them squirm) becomes a case of "You hate him....and us too". Every damning point you make is ignored and since there is no other recourse, the charachter attacks start: "You hate me. You're rude." Heh, at times, even the famous powers of Is-Qancis fail miserably. Hal nin kuma jiro that can debate without going off topic or even worse, engaging in the most pathetic form of rationalisation, transparent from a mile away. You bring up the specific case of the gang-rape of a 38 year mother of 8 children. They call it PR propoganda. Kuwooda ugu roon ? Complicity in silence. They seem to lose their tongues(typing fingers) only to magically regain it when Adeer Cabdullahi is attacked for the qashin he is. Discuss the worst humanitarian crisis in Africa where IDPs are cut-off from food and medicene, where they are subject to direct merciless rocketing and bombardment, and you are told: " That's sad, but the mattters of Somalia are complex and TFG/Tigray alliance are best suited to resolve it...um, even tho they're doing the killing" Then they claim to be 'neutral' or misunderstood, lol. Pathetic, i tell ya. I've got more respect for Duke who wears his prejudice on his sleeve. You know what he stands for and who he worships and won't hide or spin that. This is a discussion forum and I welcome all types of views no matter how abhorrent they are to me personally, but a integral prerequisite is intellectual honesty, the ability to speak clearly without dissembling, without hypocrisy, without double-talk. Warka dhuuxeesa: Cabdullahi Yusuf and his TFG cohorts will reap what they oh-so-sweetly, oh-so-dearly sowed. If some folks are labouring under the delusion that we'll all holds hands and dance under a qurac tree to the tunes of Soomaliya Tooseeey under the hospitable auspices of General Gabre, well, some folks are in bad need of a reality check. It's called Sunnatallhi fil Ardh, ain't no stoppin' it, abti. There will be a reckoning and national traitors will recieve their comeuppance Baashi, You ever find yourself in the DC area, drop me a line. You'll have the honour of meeting the Green Beret kid in person. Hopefully then you'll be able to give me a khutba on 'Akhlaaq'.....or then again, you might reconsider

Not that I need to explain myself or what I do to a nameless faceless online avatar.....But being in a charitable mood caawa... Are you guys involved with any agencies Yes. Have you guys written to your local governments to bring attention to the issues you speak of Yes Have you guys contacted your local media again and again and again to address these issues Yes Have you guys bombarded emails/faxes/phone calls to organizations/agencies to obtain any humanitarian relieve, not for 'your' people, but for Somaliweyn Yes Exactly what is it aad sameynoysiin PM me for details, that is if you are sincere and want to do you're part. Don't bother if you're out to prove a point. Eedo, Halgan-ka dalka gudaheesa iyo dhibadeesa woo ka socdaa. On all fronts, be it humanitarian, educational, or political. On the individual level. On the group/Urur level. On the national level. Warlord qurun-le la support gareeyo hadee meel lagu gaari lahaa, kuwa Siad Barre iyo Caydiid support garaynaayeen aa meel ku gaari lahaa. Instead, one died disgraced in exile, the other was shot dead in the back by his own. Inshallah, the fate of Cabdullahi Amxaar will be even worse as lesson for history. Ever heard about, "you sow, you reap" Adeer taas baa haysato, ee dhago yeelo. Since you love him so deeply, you should advise him to make tawba, publicly get on his knees and beg the Somali people for forgiveness for the death and destruction he has rained upon them. Then the spend rest of his days making amends. Making amends, a heavy phrase with heavy implications. Intaas ma uu sheegi kartaa, Eedo ?