Do you agree or disagree with the prophet (PBUH) when he made peace deal and handshake directly with the Jews? Shankaroon, How can somebody "agree or disagree" with the Prophet ? Do you know what happens if you "disagree" with the Prophet ? Thats right, you just left the fold of Islam. In other words: Gaal baa noqotay. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, laakin wording-ga aa kaa haleysan ee soo sax. What you mean to say is: Can you help me understand the peace deal made by the Prophet with the Jews of Madeenah ?"

Sarkaalkani oo lagu magacaabo Korneel Cabaas Ibraahim ayaa isku soo dhiibay Saraakiisha Alshabaab ee kusugan Gobolka Gedo kadib markii uu isaga soo tegay Doolow oo Ciidamada Barre Hiiraalena uu isaga soo baxay Ku: Shaykh Hotel Ku: Shaykh Janaqow Ku: Shaykh CabdulQaadir Cali Ku: Shaykh Ciise Cadow Ku: Shaykh Ibrahim Cadow Ka: Umada Soomaliyeed oo Xalaasha Wareegeto: Halkaan waxaa lagu wargelinaa Mr. Hodheel iyo asxaabtiisa inay isku dhiibaan sida ugu dhaqso badan sarakiisha Al-Shabaab oo ku sugan magaladaasi ee Muqdisho. Mr. Hotel waxaa loo balan qaadaa hadoo isa soo dheebo sareer macaan oo markee aad aragtid alayle isku-toor ku qabanayso, mukayf oo Panasonic ah oo daaran 24 saac, iyo weliba talafeeshan oo qabanaayo LBC, MBC, ART, iyo Al-Jazeera. Laakin Mr. Hodheel hadoo isa soo dhiibiwaayo, markaasi sheekada meel xun bay gaaraysaa runtii. Ha ku waantoobo oo ha ku caqli-ceshado ninka ka horeeyay oo ku magac-dheer Cabdullahi Amxaar oo maanta qaxooti ku ah Jaxeemo ee dal-kaasi ee Yemen.

^^ Ma maqlin ? Awliyadaada waala karbaashay. 40 aa laga dilay, including 2 self-styled "janaraals". Moooriyaanta dharbaaxatha kulul aa ku dhacthay. Check Somalimirror.com for details, can't be bothered to link.

Waraa Shankaaron, Abti, xoogaa qayyil-kee aa kula tagay aan umalaynaa. Ninyahow, qayyil-ka oo xad dhaaf-ka ah mashaakil badan ayoo leeyahay. Kistoo yar waala gartay, qac ka sii, laakin day and night markee aa uu fadhisid, waxaan oo kale aa lasoo shir tagee. Laakin, abti, waxaa la dahay doqon-ka mar mar boo run(truth) carab-keesa xadaa. Hada athiga, inta aa soo qortay hal eray oo run aa ku jiro: If Sharif fails in this war, Somaliland will be the next to fall! Indeed, inshallah Sharif will fail, and Somaliland will fall. Soon-tyme, inshallah.

Great participation all, will respond in detail to all posts/questions soon-tyme inshallah. I will prove, convincingly(to any objective eyes), that the saarim of Abaa Ayoub Al-Ansaari is the exact same sword being wielded by the Noble Resistance in Somalia. I will draw parallels between events that happened during the Great Fitnah and current situation in Somalia, while extracting the lessons to be learned and applied as to break the current impasse and move forward decisively for the salvation of Umada Somaliyeed oo Xalaasha(Meeji, it stretches from Qabri-dahaar to Barqaal, Zeylac to Kambooni.....in case u didn't know) I can understand why Barafasoor G and Xiin both want to avoid discussing xuroobal fitnah. Simply put, because it renders their blind support for Shaykh Hotel(and the bas.tardous entity he heads, Tigray Founded Goverment) it renders that support untenable, illogical, and in fact, criminal. At the risk of simplifying their well-written well-argued posts, the one constant theme that I kept hearing was: "The Scholars support Sharif-ka. Who the heck are YOU to come against their fatwas ? The Scholars SAID SO. Are YOU more knowledgable than them ??? Huh ? Huh ? Huh ? " Akhyaarta, when Munkar and Nakir are questioning me in the grave, asking me how is it that I came to be a b!tch-made Xabashi servant when I was born a Xaneefan Musliman, telling them: "My Holy Scholar told me it was okay, lesser of two evils and all that" isn't gonna get me off the hook. You know what the textbook defense of every war criminal is ? "I was just following orders of my commanding officer". Whops, doesn't that sound like: "I was just following the Holified Fatwas of my Holy Sheik". Abti, you think that sheeko bararaleey is gonna get you past Munkar and Nakir ? Lastly, let me say this: Regardless of our understanding of the events that took place between the Companions in the Great Fitnah and beyond, one thing is crystal-clear in their conduct: They have never ever consorted and conspired with Kufaar against Muslimeen. They have never ever seeked the aid and protection of Kufaar against Muslimeen. They have never ever aided and abetted the wholesale genocide of Muslim civillians under the guise of 'collateral damage'. All which are things that Shaykh Hotel and his Xabashi mongrels have not only done happily in the past, but are ready to do again and again and again when called upon. If I were a Shaykh Hotel groupie, I would not be arguing from an Islamic perspective.(that is indo-adayg oo weligeed la arkin). Just as Shaykh Hotel himself has abandoned his erstwhile Islamic platform and has now positioned himself as a secular, western-loving, obedient vassal to the Antarnashanal Kamoonity, so should his supporters. Carab'ta waxay dahaan: Man rakiba ximaarayn shaq'qa duburah. He who rides two donkeys tears his back. It is laughable to see peaceniks try to make a "Islamic case" for Shaykhuna Al-Sheraton, he who has so expertly whored himself out to the Antarnashanl Kaamonity(Beesha Caalam-ka), he who has promised to stamp out 'radical Islam', he who has said publicly on BBC radio that there is no need for Shareeca law, the TFG secular constitution will suffice, thank you very much. But no, all of that is irrelevant because a group of Celestial Holy Scholars declared him to be Ameer-ul-Mu'mineen and his Government to be Divinely Sanctioned. Yeah, and Americans are supposed to be dumb for voting for Bush. I am glad that Xiin and Barafasoor G did not contest the quote below, and since silence is akin to consent, I take it they agree with me wholeheartedly when I say: Aboo Ayoub Al-Ansaari would not have shaken hands, pledged his allegiance and undying support and friendship, and grinned like the village i.diot with the malcoon who has made it his life's work to destroy Islam in the Horn of Africa. Aboo Ayoub Al-Ansaari would not have allowed to be transported like a monkey in a cage by the very same mercenaries whose hands are still wet with the blood of those they have killed and destroyed. I am glad that we can at least agree on that. By the end of this discussion, I am sure they'll agree with the rest of my points, inshallah. 'Cuz I finna break out them heavy gunz of irrefutable daleel. Stay tuned, abtiyaal.

Something that I hope clarifies this even further. Abdullah bin Umar bin Khattab, son of the Caliph, and one of the Companions held in the highest regard(high enough that many wanted him to be Caliph after Umar's assassination) was asked upon his deathbed: Do you have any regrets in life ? He replied(paraphrasing): "Wallahi, I was one of the earliest to embrace Islam and I have accompanied the Prophet in ease and hardship, so Ilaahay khayr aa rajeynaa, the only thing I regret is not standing up with Ali and fighting by his side. Because the Xaq was with Ali. And by abandoning Ali, I abandoned the Xaq. That is my only regret" Ibn Cumar, along with Sa'ad bin Abi Waqaas and Saceed bin Jubair, and many other companions, were among those who chose to do 'incizaal' during the fitnah, siding with none of the warring parties and not leaving their homes except for prayer. They later came to realise this was a grave mistake. They thought they were avoiding fitnah, but in effect, by not supporting the Xaq, they enabled a bigger fitnah: the end of the Caliphate and the beginning of hereditary rule. Raximallahu Ibn Cumar, he was a great example for sincerity and truth-speaking even as death beckons. Barafasoor G, Where does the Xaq lie in Somalia today ? Does it lie with Shakyh Hotel and fowr-bointi-fife ? With Nur Cadde and Qaybdiid ? With Scholars-4-Dollar$ ? With Pissland and ********** ? Where, abti, where ? Once you have the ability to discern the Xaq, then you must summon up the strength and ability to follow it. 'Cuz you can best believe it ain't gon be easy. And in strict accordance with Sunnatallahi fil Ardh: Following the Xaq is never easy.

^^ No, bro. I'm not saying that all. I am merely clarifying that just as Abo Ayoub fought on the side of Prophet against Quraysh because of the Xaq(the truth of Islam), he also fought on the side of Ali because the Xaq was with Ali. I am saying nothing bad against the Companions who fought against Ali. It is their understanding(ta'weel) that led them to take up arms against Ali in both the battles of Jamal and Sifayn. They later recognised their wrogndoing and many of them cried bitter tears of regret for their mistake. Xiin seems to be saying that just because somebody says he's Muslim, you can't fight him. I proved his claim false using his own analogy, that of the hero of Islam, Abo Ayoub Al-Ansaari. It's not only a patently fraudulent claim, but a ridiculous one as well. What, if Shakh Sharif and all the so-called scholars gather together and proclaim in a fatwa that more peacekeeping solider are needed and that country is not ripe for Shareeca, we're supposed to follow them and not fight against them, because they happen to be Muslim ? Ay brah, do I look like a fool to you ? Lol, I have no problem with them being Muslim. That's none of my business. What is my business is their actions. And it is their actions that damns them. And it is their actions they will have to answer to.

Excellent topic, Xiin. If you had made an effort to explain your political position through the lenses of the Sunnah and the Seerah, rather than the hantataca of Dimuqraasiya, fowr-bointi-fife, peace caravan and Shaykh-Hotel-is my-personal-Saviour,he-can-do-no-wrong, you would've achieved much more respect and clarity. Maanta aa nin oday camal oo hadashay, instead of the newly-ilbax Flight 13 western wannabe oo isku-dhi-dhi-jinaayo Gharbiga(just like Shaykh Hotel). Have you noticed that Shaykh Hotel has never referenced Islam, Shareeca, Xukm-ul-Allah, or any other Islamic terminology ever since he started courting Westeren support uptill his election ? I thought you were on the same path, but hadeeba aa Abo Ayoub Al-Ansaari uu soo qaadatay daleel, ninyahow, xoogaa oo khayr aa weli kugu jiro, you still have hope, waana ku daawaynaynaa(dh ? or d ? meaning cure, not watch) adiga iyo xertaada oo sidaada oo kele oo jiran, inshallah. That said, your posting is replete with errors in understanding and in contextualizing the lessons to be learned from Abu Ayyoub Al-Ansaari and his era of Islamic history. Hal su'uaal ka jawaab. Hal Su'aal which will bring down the flimsy house of Is-Qancis and Jah-wareer that you have erected both here in this thread and in your overall mind-set(which has lead you to become a Xabashi servant, wittingly or unwittingly). That question is: What was the position of Aboo Ayoub Al-Ansaari during the Fitnah that engulfed the Muslim Ummah in the aftermath of the assassination of Uthaman ? Mowqifkee boo istaagay ? How did he gauge the so-called 'complexity' ? When many high-ranking Companions decided to sit down and abandon the Xaq, what did Mainest Man Al-Ansaari do ? Just as his sword flashed across the faces of Kufaari Quraysh in Badr and Uxud, did not his famous sword fall upon the necks of fellow Muslims, many of them reputable Companions of the Prophet, in the battle of Jamal and Sifayn ? Questions, yaa Ustaad, that are begging for answers. Fahal min mujeeb ? Keep this in mind as you search for that answer: Your peacenik Shaykh Gacamay, he who has always counseled surrender and submission to the Taghoots of this world, also had a choice to make and a position to stake out during the Ethiopian invasion and occupation. Here's the hint: His cowardly stand was antithetical to the stand of Abi Ayoub and his thoroughbred brethen. He chose to sit down in the mosques of Bosaaso and preach about xayd, nifaas, and sifatul Salaalah, as Ethiopian soldiers were shitting in Masaajids and slaughtering scholars. Falaa naamat acyunal jubanaa. May the eyes of cowards never find rest in sleep. Abo Ayoub Al-Ansaari was no coward. Nor was he a craven slave that cowered before the Taaghoots of this world. Context is king, abti, and you have failed that cashar quite miserably. Penning a beautiful post(the description of the Muslim successes on the battlefield was very evocative) that reminisces about the glories of yesteryear and name-dropping the Companions of the Prophet, that is just not enough to shore up a weak and crumbling argument. Weakness that is transparent from miles away. No wonder you stick to your fowr-bointi-fife, 'peace-and-stability', 'peace-in-our-time' talking points Ironically(it seems our peaceniks, just like our dhabqoodis are unable to grasp irony), were Abo Ayoub Al-Ansaari alive today, he would be the first to wage war on Sharif Ahmed and bas.turd entity he leads. With his true and tried sword in his blessed right, he would lead the charge against the Munaafiqeen iyo Kufaar oo isku-bahaystay ladagaalanka Deen-ta Ebbe. Aboo Ayoub Al-Ansaari would not have shaken hands, pledged his allegiance and undying support and friendship, and grinned like the village i.diot with the malcoon who has made it his life's work to destroy Islam in the Horn of Africa. Aboo Ayoub Al-Ansaari would not have allowed to be transported like a monkey in a cage by the very same mercenaries whose hands are still wet with the blood of those they have killed and destroyed. Seefta Aboo Ayoub Al-Ansaari is the inherited legacy of Ummada Soomliyeed oo Xalaasha. And it is the sayf we will wield against all enemies, both external and internal. Just as Al-Ansaari raised his sword against those who came out against the Xaq, even if they were Muslims, even if they were Companions. Abo Ayoub Al-Asnaari personified the verse: Laa takh'uthkum fiillahi lowmat laa'im. Throughout his life, from the time Prophet of Islam knelt his camel at his doorstep, till his martyrdom decades later at the gates of Constantinpole, he never ceased once to follow the Xaq and support it,wherever it took him. He did not cower. He did not flinch. He did not Is-Qancis. He did not sell his Deen for Dunyaa. He did not sit at the feet of Sultans and give them fatwas-4-$ale. Kal'laa Walaah. He was a thoroughbred. And thorougbreds don't fold. Raximallahu Abaa Ayoub Al-Ansaari, fa'wallah caasha xameedan waa maata shaheedan waa saar macal Xaq'qi xaythu kaan. Wa lil xadeethi baqqiyah. Intaan bal soo digest-garay, su'aashayda kana soo jawaab.

Originally posted by AYOUB: ^^ So you do know what "tribal meetings" are like. , Of course he does. That is one question that needs not be asked. Notice that he dodged the question again. Watch him dodge this one: Horn, how frequently do you attend your local Tol meeting in Seattle ? weekly ? biweekly ?

^ Third strike, you're out. In the future, try borrowing a backbone so that you'll be able to answer a tough question when it's directed towards you. Kinda hard to debate with someone who is constantly dodging and ducking, always wielding the "you hate me" card. Dadka adiga oo kale ha uu malaynin, abti. Some of us have been blessed to never feel xamiyatul jaahiliyah in our hearts. Some of us don't think in terms of "Anaka vs Ayaka". I am sure you cannot say the same.

So besides being a warmongerin' anarchist, I'm also a clannist ? Anything else ? The term Piss-land refers to the Ethiopian Protectorate that named itself Puntland. As a Somali-Muslim, I do not recognise any 'land' and will make fun of, insult, demean, and ridicule it, as I see fit. But I like the clever way you're hijacking the topic, turning it into one of ur "you hate me" threads, lol. Smart tactic for somebody who can't reason his way out of Hiiraale's donkey. Last chance: What are your views on the baqtification of the Piss-land intelligence officer ?

^^ We'll get to the 'misery, war, and destruction' part later. I'm just wondering what ur views are on Maxamad Saciid Jaqanaf reaping the bitter fruits he so happily and willingly sowed. Was it wrong to baqtify him ? Was it right ? Was it 'neutral' ?

Thanks, Horn. Your estimation of my worth means the world to me. I'm wondering, are you in mourning over this news ?

Salaams all, In a serious time-crunch, will respond to all posts/discussions in the other threads(very promising and fruitful) on the weekend inshallah. But I wanted to quickly share with you some grrrrreaaaat news(cchhhhhyyyyyeaaaaaaaaaah): the baqtification of a major Xabashi servant, namely: Colonel Maxamed Siciid Jaqanaf of the Puntland Intelligence Service(acronym: PISS) Kooxo dablay hubaysan ayaa xalay bartamaha magaalada Boosaaso ku dilay sarkaal ka tirsan Ciidamada Sirdoonka Puntland xilli uu ku sugnaa Hotel Guuleed oo ahayd goobtii uu ka daganaa Magaalada Boosaaso Read on... Faroole and the rest of the Ethiopian Protectorate of Piss-Land are prolly shiverin' in their panties, wondering: Will I be next ? Will I be next ? This is the fate that awaits every *****-made Xabashi servant what prostitutes himself for the Antarnashanal Kamoonity. Thought you could just hand over innocent Somalis to the Ethiopia and everything would be straight chillin', nigga ? Thought you could just torture wadaads for the heck of it and keep it crunk, nigga ? Thought you could be all "Whaazzzzaaaaaaap" to Ethiopian military officers, host them, feed them, let them 'borrow' ur females, and pay no price for that infamy ? Well, Mudane Colonel, I must inform you with a joyous and grateful heart, that you, good sir, have been officially baqtified. You're dead. Azz out. No more 'sharing bilateral intellegince resources' with the Tigray dictatorship. No more ridin' round Bosaaso in SUVs acting like a tough guy. No more fornication with Xabashi call girls in the hotels of Addis Abba. No, abti. Right about now, ur suckin' on dust. Sittin' there all gape-mouthed and terrified as the Angels of Death, Munkar and Nakiir, question you: Why hast thou murdered ? Whomsoever gave ye license to take innocent life, ye dastardly scoundrel ? Why hast thou helped the Tigray Kaafirs over thy Muslim brethren ? Dost thou not know that aiding and abetting a crime is equivalent to committing it ? Hast thou not recieved divine guidance of the Almighty Lord in the form of a Kitaab'un yutlaa ilaa qiyaam As'Saaca ? Dost it not state in that Holy Book: Do not make the Jews and the Crisitan your "Awliyaa"(protectors and guardians). Why then, ye knave soul, hast tho rejected the message of Islam and become a lowly vassal of a Kaafir dictatorship, whilst thy Lord hath created you a Free Man ? May you get from Allah what you so richly, so dearly deserve: A seat in Hell-Fire. Allahuma Ameen. Where are the peaceniks ? Where are the Yusufite d.h.a.b.o.d.h.i.l.f.s ? Where are the ilbax civilised welfare-guzzling 'civil society' ? Come on guys, don't disappoint me. Let it out. Say it loud, say it proud, chorus, one time now.: " Sacre Bleau, Ziis is Barbaric, Ziis is not Islam, Ziis is not za ruules of waar...Tolaay Ba'aay Ho'gaay Hah! Choke on it. Ciil, caro, iyo cuqdad, la dhimo. Oh, and you might find this quite interesting. Shows you how 'civilised' people deal with scum of the earth like Maxamed Saciid Jaqanaf.

Blood aside, what else are you bringing to the table? We both know who has been spilling the blood of Umada Soomaliyeed over the past 40 years. I'm not gonna argue with you about this. You know it. I know it. We all know it. To argue about it is to lend that ludicrious line of thought a whiff of credence. Sorry, no can do. Maybe some other time. But just to help you out: Was it Al-Shabaab that bombed Hargeisa with fighter-jets ? Was it Al-Shabaab that poisened wells and killed livestock to induce a famine ? Was it Al-Shabaab that raped young virgins in Mogadisho, Merca, Kismayo, Baidoba, Shabeelle, and countless of other places ? Was it Al-Shabaab that buried nuclear waste and toxic industrial residue in the seas and beaches of Somalia, a gift of cancer and congenital deformties to last generations to come ? Did Al-Shabaab do this ? What about this ? Yeah. Silence can be really golden sometimes. What are your boys offering as an alternative? We are talking over a million people displaced and need to be treated and fed, how will your boys accomplish that? As an 'alternative'(i lol at the temerity of the word) , they are cutting taxes, never before heard in the history of Somalia. Everytime a clan militia or a jabhad conquered a city, they would impose exorbitant 'taxes' to pay for their khat and ciggaretes, and in the Mogadisho reigon they upped the ante: Isbaaros. Road-Blocks. Pay up or die. Pedestrian, cars, buses, even donkeys were 'taxed'. As far as foriegn aid and international development, Jefferey Gettleman in his last report for the NYT noted that the UN aid agencies and the NGOs all prefer working in Shabaab-controlled cities, because ALL of the aid will reach it's intended targets, because they don't have to worry about kidnapping and extortion attempts, and because it is a million times more safer than than the TFG neighborhoods. Howsabout that ? That Gettleman character, he's a smooth liar, isn't he ? I think that he is funded by Indhocadde. What do you think ? Do your boys educate the public? Allahuma Nacam. Weliba educate the public in concrete ways that go far beyond political posturing and rosy buzzwords. By showing the oppressed masses that justice, true justice is not delivered from the TVs of the world and and on top of soft beds in luxury hotels. No. Justice is delivered right here, up close and personal, in full view of the public and in strict accordance to the concepts of equality and accountability I ask you, LG, When in the history of Somali-dom has such a monumental act of justice taken place ? One example, that is all I ask. Can you bring yourself to stand at full attention and salute the Sons of Somalia ? Or are they still barbaric savages who don't meet ur standards of civillisation ? In short, LG, there is this thing called Honour in this world. Defined as: Doing the right thing, putting your trust in Allah, and fearing no man on earth. Those who have it are truly blessed. And those don't, will never know the taste of true freedom. And so, to compensate, they try to acquire the trappings of 'ilbaxnimo', running away from their heritage, deserting their principles, and shedding all that is ghaali, just like a snake sheds it's skin. Your boy Shaykh Hotel is a classical case. Beard is shaved. Islamic Shareeca is thrown behind his back. He starts using phrases like Beesha Caalamka, fowr-bointi-fife, Ethiopia is our beloved neighbor, friend, and ally, the terrorists must be fought. Wherefore the Shariif of 2006 ? And what changed ? It's either one of two things. Either Meles Zenawi became a true and trusted friend of Somalis or Shaykh Sharif became a true and trusted friend of his Masters(Ethiopia, AU, UN, EU). Which one is it ? I know, I know, it is dizzying the way you have to twist and turn, yank and dive, all in a futile effort to explain your support for a b.a.s.t.ar.d entity that will go down in the history books just like this. Speaking of French Resistance, you do know that they used to shoot, summarily, any high-ranking officer(civillian, or military) that collaborated with occuppying Germans. And they were hailed as heroes, blockbusters and novels extolling their exploits published left and right. You do know this, right ? But when the Sons and Daughter of Sooomaal do the same thing, they are savages They are terrorists Can you even begin to gauge the level of inferiorty complex in you and how your awe and fear of the Antarnashanal Kamoonity has reduced you, and ur peacenik brethren into a cowering heap of ineffectual rabble ? Like Oliver Twist, ur begging bowl extended: "Please Ethiopia, have mercy on us. Please Uganda have mercy on us. We swear to fulfil your agenda and carry out your commands. Please just give us the help we need to defeat those fearsome ferocious baby-eating fire-breathing Al-Shabaab. Please Antarnashanal Kamoonity, please give us millions of dollars so we can line our pockets the same way Ali Gheedi did. Please, pretty please. Abdullahi Yusuf had his turn. Now it's ours. Please, spin the merry-go-round again and give us ur blessing and support. Iyaaka nacbuda wa Iyaaka nastaceen O Antarnashal Kamoonity" Have you no shame ? Have you no dignity ? Have you no self-respect ? Is this the end-result of 12 years of education in the finest Catholic prep school in the land ? Come on, sister. I swear, Wallahi thuma Billahi thuma Tallahi, that deep down inside you, you know, and so do all of the rest of the peacenik/dhdblf alliance where the solution for Somalia lies. I know that sometimes you catch yourself admiring the heroic feats and self-sacrifice of these thoroughbred warriors. But right then and there, something sinister and Satanic breaks in and invades ur psyche. As if to say:" This cannot be. How can I, a educated modern woman support these radicals. I actually know how to use a fork and a spoon! I am highly educated! I must seek out my own highly educated kind, even if they are repugnant war criminals, I'll just hold my nose, and hope for the best" And so you throw in your lot with Cabdullahi Amxaar, and Ali Gheedi and Nur Cade and Shaykh Hotel and Abdi-Qaybdiid and Yalaxow and Hiiraale and Faroole and Finish and keep on going cuz the names be droppin'. You Is-Qancis urself, rationalise that the infamy ur partaking in is really the 'lesser of two evils' and ur doing it for 'greater good' and then 30 years later, when ur 50 or 60, u wake up one day with millions of dollars of aid and development deposited in Swiss Banks. You're just 'safe-keeping it' for the Somali people, see. But at least ur hands are clean, u haven't harmed anybody personally(except for slapping the hired help around, because hey, they come from a weak clan), but u signed off on orders to bring in foreign troops who then proceeded to gang-rape a 9 year old girl playing outside. You rationalise that by saying: "Oh well, men will always be men, they have their needs. Let's just turn a blind eye since they are keeping us in power" And the cycle continues, u have children and imbue them with the same Is-Qancis, same cowardly disposition, same acquiesce and servility to foriegn interests(as long as they line ur pockets right). No offense intended, just painting a picture of where ur current mindset will take u. You still have a chance. There is always hope. Tawba is always open. Kamid noqo dadkaatha, dal'kaatha, iyo deentaatha. Uu shaqeey sidaa wax uu tari lahayd dadkaatha, dal'kaatha, iyo deentaatha All this is to say, sister: That cycle of greed and gaalo-raacnimo will be brought to a forcible full stop. Without compromise, without negotiation, and without 'reconilliation'. And anybody that stands up with the bas.tard entity called the TFG, will fall down with it. Don't believe me ? Ask this guy. Gaalo-raacnimo is one heckuva disastrous policy. Just ask Mudane Garaad Suldaan Janaraal Boqor Madaweyne Colonel Ugaas Cabdullahi Amxaar, who is chilling in a Yemeni mud-hut waiting to baqti, like a crippled toothless dog spurned by his owners and cast out on the streets. Towba, sister.

^^ Why is he correct ? Because he is your personal Saviour ? Because the ppl on TV said he was a 'moderate' 'peaceful' 'cleric' ? Because he shaved off his beard and wears a suit ? Why ? Why is he correct ? Here's an exercise in independent thinking and objectivity. Critise Shaykh Hotel on 3 issues, discuss them at length, paragrah to a point. Let's see if u have hope still. Btw, I agree with him on this issue(his last sentence). But I can explain why. Can you ? Can you explain why you are willing to "wait and see" or fully support the TFG and call for more forien mercanries and in the meantime party like it's prom with the latest cool kids, the peaceniks ? If I stuck a camera and mic in your face, could you explain, coherently, the discrepenacies of attacking the TFG yesterday and but supporting it today, without coming off as a ignorant hick or worse, a clan oppurtunist ? I guess what I'm asking you is: Do you have a brain, or are you just another charachter straight out of Animal Farm.(the novel).

Originally posted by Xoogsade: Kashafa Saxib, The objectives of the Resistance for the past two years went this way: A- Eviction of Ethiopia --> The primary Goal B- Islamic Sharia Laws --> Secondary Goal The first was achieved and the human cost was great. Massive displacement to the tune of million plus and thousands of deaths with high civilian casualities. The vicitims of this war saw it as worth the sacrifice. The second objective is also achieved in all areas ruled by the opposition groups. Question is, how do you move forward now? 1- You can continue the war without the presence of Xabashi incendiary needed to fuel the passions and ultimately lose support, B- Adopt to the new realities on the ground and Negotiate, let Sheekh Shariif walk the talk. The guns should be silent for now saxib. Sheekh Shariif should be the one who introduces the conflicts so he takes the blame. That way, you get support from somalis who value justice over personalities. Shariif says he will talk and negotiate, it doesn't matter what people allege him to be, stooge or whatever, what matters is what he wants to do in the practical sense. He should be given the chance to make some decisions first. I hear you, bro. And I laud your sincere attempt to find reason and sanity, in the shape of Shaykh Hotel's TFG, where none exist. Unfortunately, your writing(and thinking) suffers from numerous gaping holes. What do you mean by the ambigous phrase 'new realities on the ground' ? Ethiopia left, Somalia is free, let the lovemaking ensue ? Abti, If Ethiopia left, Amisom, who have Somali blood on their hands still remain, killing with impunity. Their mere presence is an obscene mark etched forever in Somali conciousness. You consider urself a proud nationalist, a so-called wadani, by what stretch of logic do you affirm AMISIOM and condemn Ethiopia ? Praise AMISOM and attack Ethiopia ? Call for more peacekeepers while still saying Ethiopia Out ? What you fail to grasp is the fact that Somali Sovierngty is being vioalted everyday by the mere existence of that b.a.s.t.a.r.d institution comprised of Ethiopian harlots like your uncle Qaybdiid.(Speaking of, he is now commander of the TFG police and army, I remember you were a fierce critic of his way back when, do u support Uncle Qaybdiid now ? juss wondering) I just pointed out the realities on the ground in my first post. Let me reiterate: In the eyes of the Somali people, in terms of military strength, in land and cities controlled and governed, in actual tangibles delivered and law-and-order implemented, the Somali Resistance IS the Official Somali Government. And conversely, Shaykh Sharif's TFG IS the cat paw of the foriegn interests that have backed, armed, and funded the warlords that have destroyed Somalia. They control little to nothing, the only card they can play is "We are supported by the Antarnashanal Kamoonity" Same ppl that have happily destroyed Somalia. Now, if ur telling me that you agree with this assessment, but you STILL support the TFG........ that puts us in a whole new ballpark. One that is so ironic that it ain't even funny. Because you, bro, have now morphed into the same people you purported to fight for the past 2 years: The D.ha.b.o.d.h.i.l.i.fs. who rode into Mogadisho on Ethiopian tanks(as opposed to Ugandan tanks in ur case). You may not notice, gone as far as you are in ur peacenik delusions, but YOU ARE USING THE EXACT SAME ARGUEMENTS THEY WERE USING FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS . To wit: We know this is an imperfect government, but an imperfect government is better than no government. We will hold election in 2009, let the opposition field their candidates without resorting to terrorism and violence. The Somali people are tired of war, death, and fighting. They want peace. Let us give it to them. Let us join hands under Mudane Abdullahi Yusuf who will win the 2009 elections but will surely give up the seat in 2014. The Ethiopians are harmless, they will stay in their camps untill the goverment builds a strong security apparatus that can fight the 'undesirables' on it's own. Untill then, they will stay. Irony Much ? Hypocrisy Much ? Double-Standards Much ? Answer the question, homey, waxba cir-ka ha fiir-fiirinin. Why attack Abdullahi Yusuf but support Nur Cade and Shaykh Hotel ? Have they not sworn on the same mulxid/ilxaad constitution ? Are they not equally beholden to Ethiopia and the foriegn interests ? Did not Nur Cade host a going-away party for the departing Xabashi hordes and thank them for killing over 15,000 innocent somalis ? What the flying frack has changed from yesterday to today ? Oh, lemme guess, the Saviour has arrived. You gotta be kidding me. Nobody, NOBODY, is that idiotic. The only possible logical reaason for you to call for war yesterday and peace today is the because your entire fighting was about clan pride, clan hubris, and "Reer Hebel mana xukumayo". And that is downright disgusting. But understandable. You are an old-school Somali, as opposed to uninfected new generation, my generation, that is waging the war of liberation and don't give a shit about your clan calculations and clan schemings. Reminds me of Nigga Janaqow, former Shaykh of the ICU, and current Fatwa-for-$ale merchant with the TFG. You know what he said ? Nigga was like:"The anti-peace elements and anarchists that are fighting in Mogadisho are foreigners(his words) who left their provinces in peace and want to kill and maim here in Xamar". Bal ka waran caqligaas. Appealing to the darkest and dirtiest impulses in the human spirit in order to score political points. Appealing to tribalism, to qurun-ka qabyaalada so that he can curry favour with Shaykh Hotel, Ethiopia, and the Antarnashanal Kamoonity. But on the real, forget about individuals, I'm just using them as examples to drive the narrative, let's not get sidetracked. Focus on the main issue here: Your failure to provide a cogent, credible arguement on why the TFG should not be eradicated and why the AMISOM forces should not be attacked. Everything you have said so far is the exact same wording and arguements of the d.h.a.b.o.d.h.i.fs when they were trying to justify the Ethiopian troops prescense and the legitamicay of the TFG. If you believed the TFG to be illegitimate yesterday, then you are honour-bound and integrity-bound to consider illegitamate today. Individuals do not change institutions. Just because their was a reshuffling of cabinet positions to men who are ALL beholden and endebted to Ethiopia and the Antarnashanal Kamoonity, changes jack-shit on the real-politik scene. Case-in-point: Your Saviour(Hotel) recently declare the current laws and constitution in no need of any change and that Islamic Sharia was not needed, in a interview with the BBC. He went to Addis Ababba and in unabashed mockery of all the dead and dying, mowed down by Ethiopian fire, pledged eternal friendship and support to Ethiopia, our beloved neighbors, friends, and allies. Of course, in your peacnik simpleton mind, that is 'the height of diplomacy' and 'cunning diplomatic maneuvering' and "Sulux of Huddaybiyah". Sad. Pathetic. But true. Again, don't get sidetracked just making a point: Individuals are easily bought, sold, and PIMPED. You're in a tough spot, bro. I hope you can reason your way out it. Looking forward to a constructive discussion.

Alshabaab waxay ahaan lahaayeenba diin aanay waxba ka aqoon ayay ku daba gabanayaan. I heard some of them can't even read the quraan Huuno, I must need assure you that you have been misinformed. They are the noble Knights of Somali-dom. The stoutest steeds ever to gallop across Waqooyi,Bari, Koonfur, and Galbeed. Ruhbaanun bil'layl, Fursaanun bi'nahaar, laa yahkhafuuna fillahi lowmata laa'im. During the night-time, they are like Monks, their camps filled with melodic recitation of the Holy Qu'raan, voices that would melt your cold heart with kushooc and bring unrestrained tears to your eyes. And during the day, conquering warriors who do not know the meaning of fear, or dhulinimo, They do not fear in Allah's cause the cowardly chattering of low-bred, low-born maggots, or the gossip of welfare-fraud specialists. But I am sure, dearest huuno Xidigo, that you do not take welfare.(or cheat the system for that matter, like so many of ur peacenik kin do). And I am sure you do not listen to waxaa-la-yiri gossip. That is why I said you have been misinformed. Perhaps from now on you shall be prudent and think twice before you open your mouth.

^^ The United States of Kash-$-Moni, speaking on behalf of all the freedom-loving citizens of the world, rejects and condemns the Ja'Booty farce that will only serve to perpetuate and codify the enslavement of the oppressed Somali people. The United States of Kash-$-Moni calls upon all of the freedom-loving citizens of the world to stand by Ummada Soomaliyeed oo Xalaasha ah, as it enters the final stretch of the Gobonimo campaign. The United States of Kash-$-Moni would also like to remind the cowardly naysayers, and the low-bred, low-born maggots who have never known a day of xalaal in their miserable existence, of the following quote by Benjamin Franklin. They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. The United States of Kash-$-Moni is fully aware that the above quote cannot be understood by the peacenik simpletons that populate this forum, perhaps due to their blind-zeal and jah-wareer, therefore the USKMONI would be more than happy to dedicate a entire thread to explaining that quote, the principles behind it, and the implications derived from it, any time of the day.

You are a angry man, and angry men cannot engage in a healty debate since their emotions cloud their judgement Good point, but I'm not an angry man. I'm a reasonable man, one who is quick to take offense when the situation warrants it.(ie, calling Abu Mansoor a hypocrite, tribalist). Ninkaa xoog-badan, woo kaa hor xanaaqaa, ma maqashay ? But nah seriously, I like your style. Cool, calm, collected. Doesn't take things personally. Reasons things out. Welcome to SOL, ur a fine addition. P.S.: If it will smooth any ruffled feathers, I'd be happy to declare you fit and immensely qualified to clean the boots of Abu Mansoor.

I hope peace prevails and the opposition groups take the best offers they get Lol@take the best offers they get. Since when did Thoroughbred, Inc beg for offers, homey ? Since when did Thoroughbred, Inc follow and not lead ? You got it all jumbled up, perhaps due to the whole euphoria of Shaykh Sharif getting coronated. Lemme break it down for you real quick: Regardless of where you stand on the political/ideological spectrum, you must adhere to law of facts-on-the-ground, just as you adhere to the law of gravity , comprede amigo ? And as of 2-14-2009, the strongest military force in Somalia and the force that controls the most land(over 300,000 sq km by my estimate) is none other than Somali Resistance, all operating in tandem, and having the support of a wide swathe of Somali-dom, cutting across qabil lines and qabiil consideration. What about Shayk Hotel ? He remains holed up in Villa Somalia, protected by the very same soldiers who massacred 80 Somalis just 2 weeks ago. His parliment has been overrun, disbanded, and destroyed. His MPs are refugees in Ja'Booty. He has little support except among members of his own clan and a boisterous but ineffectual peacenik/d.h.a.b.o.d.h.l.if. alliance. He has no army, except that of his xaraan-ku-nax clan militia and the xaraan-ku-nax clan militia of his allies(Qaybdiid, Xaabsade, Faroole, etc) These are facts, discernible to anybody with eyes. Given the above, who is in the position to offer anything ? Who is in the position to use the stick-and-carrot approach ? Who is in the position to issue ultimatums ? Who is in the position to go ahead and subdue the rest of Somalia(by force, if need be) If you say Shaykh Hotel, Inc, you leave me no choice but to accuse you of smoking crack. Please don't make say you smoke crack. 'Cuz I will. The 'opposition', as you put it, has one demand, actully, it's more like an ultimatum: a)All mercenaries must leave Somali soil unconditionally and immediately. b) The last few dregs of the TFG will be dismantled and disbanded, just as they were dismantled and disbanded in Baidoba(Big up, Abu Mansoor, excellent psy-ops operation in taking over B-town) If they comply and turn over ALL weaponry, their lives and properties will be safeguarded, by none other than the authority of Islamic Sharia. Anybody that transgresses against them will be dealt with like this(Yes, there is still honour, nobility, and justice remaining in the world, even if many of you have forsaken it, there are those who live and die by it.) c) Or. Else.('nuff said, that "or else" by itself aa rag badan aan ogahay kaadi ka keenayso). The #1 mistake that you and many other good-hearted, well-meaning brothers are making is recognising the TFG in the first place and fearing the clout and might of the Antarnashanal Kamoonity(nakhshaa an tuseebanaa daa'irah). Khaanzeer weligees ma taahiroobe, or so the maah-maah went. The TFG was(notice the past tense) a b.a.s.t.a.r.d institution from the moment of it's inception, a collection of war criminals, veterans of the 88-93 clan strife, corrupt Afweyne-era ministers to whom bribery and graft became a science to be studied and applied, and two-bit calool-shaqeystayaal bagamoodos who made it a profession of begging the UN for yet another 'peace process' so they could live hotels at the taxpayers expense. Would you not be a spectacular doqon to believe that such an abomination could be 'rehabiliated' by putting a spineless Macalin-Dugsi at the head of it ? Honestly now, would you not be a doqon to believe in that crap ? It's very simple, abti. Somalia has turned the corner. There's no going back to the past. This resolve is not mere intention and words, but it is actualised by the cement of nation-building: Iron and Blood. After Al-Tawakal Cala'Allah, Iron and Blood will see to it that traitrous b.a.s.t.a.r.d concotion known as the TFG will be eradicated from Somalia. Iron and Blood will see to it that Islamic Governance, and ensuing peace and prosperity, will hold sway over every last inch of Somali soil. Believe that.

for someone who is fighting for a islamic state, you don't display an islamic manner and all you do is curse and swear. Therefore we wouldnt want your version of Islam. I'm human, abti, riddled with flaws and shortcomings. 'Rhetorical flourishes' are one of them. Don't mistake the actions of flawed muslims(aniga oo ugu horeeyo) with the beauty and nobility of Islam and Islamic Shareeca. Mida labaad, I respect your right to your opinion, but as far as the situation on the ground in Somalia, the Sons of Somalia aren't really taking a survey of your preferences. They're not asking for votes or corrupt qabiil politics like the farce in Ja'Booty where MPs were voting in qabiil blocs. They're issuing commands and setting up admins, the latest of them being the admin Gedo. They're not taking orders from sell-out scholars or the Antarnashanal Kamoonity or the Holy Saviour Himself. They're in the business of progress: acting, doing, building, creating, striving while the rest of you clan-ridden peaceniks are talking(afmiinshaar.com), eating(potbellies galore), bribing, begging for Ethiopian support, dreaming of the failed state of Afweyne, and how to create a updated version of it. No thanks, abti. You and your fellow peaceniks are the last gasp of a dying breed. Enjoy the illusory pomp while you can, for the hour of reckoning draws ever the closer, and your Saviour, Shaykh Hotel, will join your other Saviour, Cabdullahi Amxaar in his mud-hut in Yemen. Disgraced in exile, abandoned by his masters, thrown away like a used condom, living the rest of his life in sheer wretchedness. In short, it really isn't up to you. Or me. Or kaas xaga ku qayilaayo. Or taas xaga gossip la taagan. It's up to men who liberated Somalia and painted the grounds of hallow battlefields red with their blood. They decide. They dictate. They rule. Period.

^^ I didn't say I was. Just pointed out that there are certain acts that make one a Munaafiq. Aiding Kufaar over Muslims, torturing Muslims at the request of Kufaar, providing supplies, logistics, and camping grounds to a Kaafir army that is massacring Muslims are all included. Faroole is the head of an administration that routinely aids, abets, and assists the Tigray dictatorshop, in ways that go far beyond the scope of this post. Hence, he is a Munaafiq.........at the very best. Ceremonial showboating at a mosque kaama saarayso, abti.

^^ Bowing your head five times a day does not make you a pious Muslim. Hosting Ethiopian troops and handing over innocent civillians to Ethiopia, on the other hand, makes you, at the very best, a repugnant Munaafiq. Nope, don't think Abu Mansoor will have any mercy on this latest Munaafiq to emerge from Garowe.

Federalism is the key and building strong locally based admins like Puntland should be the short term goal. Federalism will be the death-knell of Somalia. It will never be tolerated. It will never be accepted. Solution: One strong central government, just like we had in the '70s when we were the 2nd strongest military power in all of Africa. Only this time(pay attention here, peacnik/dh.b.lif nutjobs), only this time, instead of a nepotic, atheist, secular goverment operating on the tenents of Marxism-Leninism, there will be a Islamic central government operating under Kitaab-ul-Allah Wa Sunnata-Rasoolih. Provinces will have governors/Amiirs appointed by the central government. Example: Abu Bakr Al-Zaylaci is the current governor of the Kismayo reigion(not just city), his term is about to come to an end, another governor will be appointed, or he will get another term in office. That's the model that will be extended to all of Somalia. I know this sticks a fork in many of your qabiil-ridden throats, but um, choke on it. That's how it's gonna be, inshallah.