^^^ They seem to be a mixture of every group and sect. 138 of them. Oodweyne, Having listened to it now I really can't fault the Muslim scholar or the points he was making. However, Mr Jenkins (a writer I enjoy) was correct in his analysis. The only problem is that he seemed to hijack the topic and feign concern for the Muslim world that does not really become him (not matter how liberal he is). Unlike what Ms D&D thinks, I do believe that most Muslim scholars that appear on Western TV are very articulate, expressive and eloquent (just like the one in the recording). Their problem is that they're attempting to argue with unsympathetic minds and interviewers/ panellists wishing to widen the scope of the original discussion. It really is not about being articulate, it's about being cunning and having the ability to play the game of politics. Not many scholars are skilled in that area, and rightly so.

Heh@North..I like the 'mostamiciin el keram' bit. That Arab woman that you married has been teaching you well. Ciid Mubaark to all. May all your eids be full of health, happiness and peace. Happy Eid to Castro and family; Val (and friend); Serenity (and her phone); that young Canadian girl who is a moderator on the general forum (no idea what she's called these days, and all her apes). Baashe & co; Mutakalim (and Ibn tofeel, unless it's Socrates he's talking to tonight); Raheema (and her convicts); LST (and his dodgy server); Salafi (and Sheikh-El-Islam); LANDER, Suldaan & QL, Zulfa.... (I'm only writing these names to fish them out, the lazy so and sos). Eid Mubaarak..

Originally posted by Kool_Kat: quote:Originally posted by cynical lady: Ps what will you guy’s bee doing on Eid? I am gonna Party Like A Rock Start!!! Acuudubilaah, should've waited until bacdal afur to post this...ohh well... Bees and Starts! You need held..

It is time that Muslims and Christians recognized just how similar they are — the fate of the world depends on it. That's the message being sent out today by 138 Muslim leaders and scholars in an open letter to their Christian counterparts saying that world peace hinges on greater understanding between the two faiths. The 29-page letter is addressed to Pope Benedict XVI, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams and 25 other Christian leaders. Organized by the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought in Amman, Jordan, it's the first time so many high-profile Muslims have come together to make such a public call for peace. Launched first in Jordan this morning, and then in other countries over the course of the day, the letter's big unveiling takes place at a joint press conference by Mustafa Ceric, Grand Mufti of Bosnia, and John Esposito, Director of the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University in Washington D.C. By pointing out the similarities between the Bible and the Koran, between Christianity and Islam, the letter's signatories are hoping to convince Christian leaders to "come together with us on the common essentials of our two religions." Quoting from both holy texts, the letter notes that both Christianity and Islam require believers to believe in only one god and insists that it is the same god. It points out that both religions are founded on goodwill, not violence, and that many of the fundamental truths that were revealed to Muhammad are the same ones that came to other Christian and Jewish prophets. Because of this, the letter says, Muslims are duty-bound by the Koran to treat believers of other faiths with respect and friendship — and that Muslims expect the same in return. "As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them — as long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes." With Christians making up one-third of the world's population and Muslims making up one-fifth, the letter says that finding common ground, "is not simply a matter for polite ecumenical dialogue between selected religious leaders." Is it, instead, essential for the survival of humanity. "The relationship between these two religious communities [is] the most important factor in contributing to meaningful peace around the world. If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace. No side can unilaterally win a conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants. Thus our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake." This letter comes on the anniversary of another open letter to the Pope last year, which was signed by 38 Muslims clerics and was response to a speech on Islam in which the Pope quoted a medieval text saying it is a violent religion: "Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." The Pope later apologized, saying that he had only used the quote — an opinion which he said he doesn't share — to condemn violence motivated by religion and to highlight the need for exchange and understanding between the faiths. Now Islamic leaders have come together again — in greater numbers — to try and make that happen. Ending the letter with a quote from the Koran, they write: "So let our differences not cause hatred and strife between us. Let us vie with each other only in righteousness and good works." Surely that's a sentiment people of all faiths can share. Do you think the letter ended with a cheeky wish that the Pope have a happy Eid?

^^ Ahem Time for Benítez to give Gerrard a wide berth The root cause of Liverpool's poor form isn't Rafa Benítez's tinkering; it's playing Steven Gerrard in central midfield. Scott Murray October 11, 2007 12:04 PM The received wisdom regarding Liverpool Football Club's current malaise, in a nutshell, for you, now, right here on Guardian Unlimited: Rafael Benítez simply can't stop tinkering with that team! So there you have it. Pithy and precise, and everyone's saying it. Problem is, like so many handed-down truisms - eating up your crusts puts hair on your chest, carrots make you see better at night, whipping it out just before showtime is a foolproof method of contraception - it doesn't actually have that much basis in fact. Here's a different suggestion: rotation isn't Liverpool's problem at all. In fact, almost the opposite is the case, because the root cause of their patchy form is Benítez's dogged persistence with playing one particular player in one particular position all the time. Steven Gerrard should not, under any circumstances, be playing in central midfield. To clarify, Gerrard is a fine player. His strengths are manifold: goalscoring ability, pace, power, desire, determination, beginning, to, sound, like, Hansen, on, autopilot, now. But tactical discipline? An ability to dictate the play? An eye for the clever pass - and that means consistently, not just the occasional delivery to feet of a Hollywood ball? No. Nope. Yes - but no. In other words, for all Gerrard's world-class talent, he's simply not a player to place at the heart of a team. When Manchester United built a side around a central midfielder, they did so around the ultra-dependable Roy Keane. A talented right-sided midfielder harboured ambitions to play there too, but was told by Sir Alex Ferguson in no uncertain terms to stay out of harm's way on the right, where his many talents would be utilised as and when - but never, ever depended upon to keep the team ticking over. David Beckham's high-water mark of achievement - the seasons between 1998 and 2001 - were spent out on the wing. Yet amazingly, his signature performance is considered by many to be his 13,447km rampage around the middle of Old Trafford in an England shirt against Greece. Nice free-kick and all, but the main reason that dramatic last-minute intervention was required was because the scoring hero spent the majority of the match haring hither and yon in spectacularly undisciplined fashion, gaps appearing all over the pitch as team-mates attempted to cover. So he really wanted to play there? Tough. A decision from which Ferguson never wavered - and who, given Beckham's post-United meanderings, would argue with that assessment now? It's an instructive comparison. Gerrard's appearance in the centre of Liverpool's midfield has had an undeniably unbalancing effect. Consider the club's recent run of form. Against Sunderland, Toulouse and Derby, without Gerrard in the team and two central midfielders in the centre of midfield, Liverpool scored 12 goals in three games. The 203 minutes after Gerrard's return to the middle? Three matches, one goal, no wins. So Sunderland, Toulouse and Derby aren't any great shakes? Well, neither are Portsmouth, Porto or Birmingham, teams Liverpool failed to put to the sword (unlike Reading, who were tonked for four, with guess who on the bench). Marseille and Tottenham are better sides - barely better, but better none the less - and look what happened there. Gerrard flailing helplessly, 40-yard passes sailing serenely into the dark of the stands, 11 men without drive. If Beckham's signature performance snaps everything into focus, so does Gerrard's. With the player in the middle, Liverpool were stripped naked during that first half in Istanbul; it was only when Didi Hamann came on to wrest control of the midfield, and Gerrard was shunted into a less responsible role, that he had the astounding effect we know he can. In fairness, Gerrard can show tactical discipline - once Liverpool drew level against Milan, he wasn't half bad for the last hour at right-back against Serginho - but then again he wasn't being afforded the responsibility of dictating the entire game. To be a top-level central midfielder at a major club, it's got to be the whole package at once, or nothing. Liverpool have a perfectly serviceable central midfield partnership in Javier Mascherano, who scarcely has a peer in world football when it comes to harrying and tackling, and Xabi Alonso, who when even woefully out-of-form as he is, shames Gerrard with his range of passing. This isn't to say Gerrard doesn't have a vital role to play for his side: out right, or perhaps just behind the front man, positions from where he has posed - and can continue to pose - immeasurable danger. Just not in the centre. So he really, really, really wants to play there? Tough. Gerrard has always argued his best - and most desired - position is in the middle. It's impossible to know what behind-the-scenes promises have been made to keep him happy at Liverpool - though if any deals have been brokered to ensure his continued presence at the club, they shouldn't have been. Benítez needs to give over his centre midfield to players who have the ability to dictate, prompt, playmake and pass. Being an incredibly talented and driven attacking midfielder doesn't necessarily mean a player can do this. Gerrard should be happy enough to play for - and captain - the club he supported as a boy on the right, or off the front man, or... well, wherever, really. Just so long as he's well away from the heat of the engine room. But if that doesn't make him happy, Liverpool should consider what to many might seem unthinkable: they should cash in, and get rid. Source

^^ I have a feeling it's all done through arranged marraiges. Acutally I am sure it is. It must! (I was going to say that arranged marraiges don't follow the usual sweet talk of sharing the rest of your life with someone with a face you enjoy looking at, etc).. WHAT if he chatted her up in the street or some party!

Heh. Silly people taking my words literally. Still fabulous of course (the walls have ears and all that)

^^^ I've been to NONE! I'm not only stuckup on here, now it's spreading to real life too. It's all rumours of course.

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Originally posted by Al-Mu'minah: She's basically giving him the green light to sleep with another woman, doqontu. :rolleyes: Point of order, my dear. She's giving him the green light to MARRY another woman. At any rate, I doubt this is really the case. She's probably trying to trick him. How in the world is he going to know that the 'new' woman with her face uncovered is not really his real wife? ps What I'd love to know is what was his reaction when he finally saw her face after 30 years?

^^ I thought the link was for the first ever somali computer game.

Originally posted by Socod_badne: My first impressions SOLers? Affected, unctuous and pugnacious. The last is just being Somali but the first point is the stand out. People here are way too cordial to be taken seriously... maybe it's the strict moderation but there's lots of hokey behavior. Notice that, have you?

Originally posted by Zenobia: MMA, I don't know what you're talking about. :confused: Malaysia is a multi-ethnic country where many religions besides Islam (the state religion) are followed by the Malaysians. Bosinians were a Muslim minority ethnic group living amongst NoneMuslims. A Somali that leaves Islam is not going to forget the language, the culture (which is largely un-Islamic to begin with) nor will they start growing hairs on their forehead. We were idol worshipping cawaan before Islam came to us. WTH. We’re still idol (qabiil)worshiping cawaans even with Islam in our midst, or have you not noticed? Maxad kala murmaysa, ayaayo? Islam and Somalnimo are one and the same. What does he call Allah again? Don't tell me, don't tell me..I know the word, I know the word..een..erm..err..eebe Allaho el mostacaan ban ku edhi ps Ms D&D is the 'ng' in your post me? I never pick on Khalaf. I guide and try to educate my young brother. Funny enough, I actually agree with his ideas on this thread. Ramadan has a good effect on him.

Typical women! They turn a great topic into the subject of clothes and skirts. Why don't you share makeup tips next, eh? ps The silly woman below is not talking to me

Just for you m'lady. Something simple and mild (not to mention very healthy).

yalqaaki yaxlifo enaho bika wathiqon wa eda tawaara menka fa howa al caqrabu yo'teeki men tarafi el lisaan xalaawatan wo yaroo'go menka kama yaroo'go el taclabu. He meets you and swears he trusts you But as soon as he’s out of your sight, he turns into a scorpion The sweetest words drop from the tip of his tongue and he always evades you just like a fox

Por que?

Originally posted by SheekhaJacaylka: Biibiile is some thing la afuufo then makes a sound ,,,, don't know in english though

^^ For Somaliland, the objective as I understand it was to secure its own borders. They have not done that but rather created even more tension in the area. Yet, just because Somaliland fighters were not fully engaged in those skirmishes, the article regards the whole sad enterprise as a success. I'd wager that the Puntland news sources are also singing of new successes! But, really, apart from a couple of cousins throwing stones at each other, has anything changed there at all? Nothing to feel triumphant about there..

Heh. A typical Somali piece. Full of glee with no trophy to parade!

^^ Did you see the other 'mirqan' video on youtube? It's a much better one. Yamani girls (I shall not look it up and post it lest I corrupt your innocent mind).

Originally posted by Caano Geel: wouldn't mind trying a bit of that lizard, ng can you recommend retailers or give us insight into u're experience of it? Heh@retailers War it's free. Just take a trip down to the desert (or maybe one of the Dubai boys can oblige us) and pick yourself a few of these. Cook it in whatever style you want. The only thing you have to remember is that you need to soften the meat by putting it in boiled water twice (once is not enough). I was offered it once when I was a kid but I foolishly refused. Have you tried Locusts? I have Yummy pictures (tastes very salty)

^^ This may be the problem: ** runs off home **

Now for a different kind of meat (my best meal): First you catch yourself a lizard, like so: Then put it in a box, like so: Then you cut off its head and skin it, like so: Then you take the skin off, like so: Add onions, spices and water (like so): And don't forget the rice: Bon appetite!

This is how they cooked it. Ps I think it probably was a wedding or just a party rather than a ramadan one. There are no big baaldis of timir around