Apophis;974686 wrote: How silly of me, I didn't realise this days dhaanto is done with bikinis and a pole, afterall: “cultures are not static". Yawn.

Classified;974684 wrote: I guess we have another Irshad Manji on our hands. lol Listen, if you have Imaan (internal taqwa of Allah), then it should manifest via externally as well. Hair showing, cleavage showing, with mini-skirt on and saying I fear Allah? We judge by what we see. This idea of "Who put you in the position to judge" is always said by the "Reformers". Every Muslim is an Ambassador of Islam, thus you must speak up against any innovations and misbehaviors carried out by self-proclaiming "Muslims". Silence would only give the green light to the younger generation in copying. ...and there are prostitutes in Somalia who wear niqabs, and their johns in thobes on Fridays. Appearance tells you very little about a person's inner state, and my objection is when this BS is almost exclusively directed at women like the Faarrow sisters, but rarely their male counterparts in the music industry like K'Naan. When it comes to poorly thought out ideological positions, you and Irshad Manji have more in common than you think.

Classified;974680 wrote: This is bigger than culture. Bigger than just 'genres of music". This, the likes of these two sisters and many others alike, are claiming to be "Muslim" and at the same time project un-Islamic appearance, a way of life that is certainly against the teachings of Islam . Their audience? Hundreds of thousands of upcoming youth from a war-torn background, no education, no strong deen and with an idea that life, western-life style is truly the only road towards success. lol, I knew some misogynist thunder douche would post something like this. What do you know about their imaan? What does this particular music video tell you about how they live their lives? And who put you in the position to judge someone's Islam, to the extent that you so offensively place Muslim in quotation marks? Apophis;974681 wrote: “culture is not static", mantra the white man uses to destroy all cultures but his. I think it's working. Even so-called "traditional" Somali music like dhaanto has transformed over the years. There's nothing wrong with Somalis making hip hop.

There's nothing white or imperialist about hip hop, my friend. And culture is not static, there is nothing wrong with Somalis engaging with different genres of music.

So the sisters from have repackaged themselves as a new group, Faarrow... I like their sound and style a lot better now. This video was shot in Kenya. " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> What do you guys think?

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*Blessed;973736 wrote: Errr. I'm not associating atheism and birth control. *Blessed;973732 wrote: Horta, what is it with Somali atheists and birth control? Right.

*Blessed;973732 wrote: Horta, what is it with Somali atheists and birth control? Population control is the least of our worries.. Why are you associating birth control with atheism?

Hobbesian_Brute;973661 wrote: Never changing eh. i think 55 million is too high, Kenya which is more densely populated is around 40 million, so its impossible. we are getting there soon, as contraception uptake levels are too low and the culture is very natalist. We also have poor mortality statistics, one of the worst infant mortality rates in the world, so bear that in mind. Classified, did you mean to share a different video? It didn't discuss demography.

Alpha Blondy;973596 wrote: how much? do you think Wadani, the little sand-dweller from a distance, contributed? ;) I won't disclose that dee. I'm sure if he didn't personally, his family did, there was a really big push to collect funding from the entire clan especially those living in dibada. In other news, waan dhimanaya I have no voice this morning and I have a meeting in two hours.

Alpha Blondy;973343 wrote: new Hargeisa to Salaxley road and Salaxley to the nation's capital. no bad, you know. the sand-dwellers are very savvy. this was built by their efforts. kuu dhuusa, ma istidhi? well done to STOIC, wadani, Saffz's reer abti and Al's habo's husband and cousins. congratulations for your construction, maha? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I even donated to this

Alpha Blondy;973513 wrote: ^ i can absorb your pain walalo? Thanks dee *coughs on you*

Hobbesian_Brute;973464 wrote: Let's start with the figures, the 150 million Africans was over 1400 years of Islamic rule, its actually a conservative estimate and most probably that figure is much higher, we would never know precisely because unlike the Western slave trade it was not recorded, but historians have fairly good estimate in that range. We have not even mentioned other nationalities and races which are put in the order ~ 50 Million slaves. Look it up if you don't believe me. "...the worst, most inhumane and most diabolical institution of the black African slave trade was initiated, refined, perpetrated and implemented by the Mohammedan Arabs and later aided and abetted by the black converts to Mohammedan Islam." John Alembillah Azumah, Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa " A comparison of the Islamic slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts. While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Islamic slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims. While the mortality rate for slaves being transported across the Atlantic was as high as 10%, the percentage of slaves dying in transit in the Trans Sahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%! While almost all the slaves shipped across the Atlantic were for agricultural work, most of the slaves destined for the Muslim Middle East were for sexual exploitation as concubines, in harems, and for military service. While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive. While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth." Why the so called Arab slave trade ? The Atlantic slave trade happened in much shorter time frame, that is undisputed. i think it down to superior technology bigger, faster ships and better organization not kindness or humanity on the part of the Arab slavers. " it also set the socioeconomic and political landscape for later European colonial rule, which continues to have an effect on contemporary Africa and its relationship with the global north ". Undoubtedly, but don't generalize, the vast majority of the continent wasn't touched at all by the Atlantic slave trade, it was concentrated on the West Coast of Africa. Africans, blacks, indigenous people of the continent call them what you want. were not into word games here. Black Muslims are victims even though they participated in the slaving of their fellow blacks during the Atlantic slave trade. " They also converted Africans into Islam, causing a complete social and financial collapse of the entire African continent apart from wealth attributed to a few regional African kings who became wealthy on the trade and encouraged it ." African history happens to be what I study for a living, and everything I said in response to your claims are facts that historians generally agree upon. Simply pasting text from shoddy scholarship doesn't make what you've said any more historically accurate. Criticize Islamic law if you'd like, but I'd suggest taking a different angle to support your position because this one is intellectually dishonest and inaccurate, and not particularly relevant to the thread.

I'm sick and bedridden, someone coddle me

Hobbesian_Brute;973421 wrote: don't think its complex at all, slavery is evil, islam should reject it unequivocally for all time. Islam provides an overarching justification -- waging jihad against infidels; where slaves are captured. do you know that Muslims were overwhelmingly responsible for collecting the blacks destined for the Atlantic slave trade from the interiors of Africa and selling them to the Europeans. and that the atlantic slave trade itself pales in comparison to the far more evil and cruel but less infamous African trade perpetrated by the Arabs mainly from East Africa. Bits and pieces from history indicate that Muslims enslaved over 150 million African people . I don't really want to get into this debate, but I feel compelled to point out that none of that is historically accurate and your figures are baseless. Historians of Africa agree that the trans-Atlantic slave trade was far more brutal in scope and impact -- an easy way to see that is to look at the numbers enslaved (~13 million, an estimate similar to that for the numbers enslaved in the so-called "Arab slave trade," except the trans-Atlantic slave trade happened within a much smaller time frame, ~400 compared to over 1000 years for trans-Saharan and Indian Ocean slave trades). It also set the socioeconomic and political landscape for later European colonial rule, which continues to have an effect on contemporary Africa and its relationship with the global north. There's also no evidence to support your claim that "Muslims were overwhelmingly responsible" as slavers during the trans-Atlantic slave trade. And the binary you've constructed between "Muslim" and "African" ("African" did not exist as an identity then either) is obfuscating and lazy; the two categories can and do exist in the same person, and millions of Muslims were enslaved as well.

I usually don't like Drake but this song is EVERYTHING right now

Haatu;973279 wrote: Safferz, a lot of members were waiting for your take on the region. You see the only other choices are ONLF and Woyanne propaganda. I'm not too keen on starting a new thread for that, but feel free to shoot some questions at me here or in the photo thread I posted earlier

Alpha Blondy;973227 wrote: when are you going to do your review of your travels? soo daa the pics and the inside scoop, dee. I wasn't planning on posting anything beyond the photo thread I made, anyone who wants to know or see more will have to get in touch with me directly

Take me back

Alpha Blondy;973129 wrote: what Saffz really saw and experienced and not the hype she'd have us believe. ;) [x2] I fly like paper, get high like planes/ Al flies high with mijiins, gets mirqaan like planes If you catch me at the border I got visas in my name/ If they catch me at the SL border I aint got visas it's okay cos they dosed If you come around here, I make 'em all day/ If you come to the nation's capital, you'd better be ready to takhsin all day I get one down in a second if you wait/ Al gets a rubuc iyo falad and get's pseudo-intellectual, but Saffz didn't wait around to see [x2] Sometimes I think sitting on trains / Sometimes I think transiting is such a hustle Every stop I get to I'm clocking that game / Every stop I get to I'm checked and it's all bustle Everyone's a winner, we're making our fame / Saffz's a winner, fame is the game Bona fide hustler making my name / Al-shababist terrorist making my name [x4] All I wanna do is (BANG BANG BANG BANG!) / All I wanna do is go home ( to Boston-ka) And (KKKAAAA CHING!) / And (rest from nightmare-kan!) And take your money / And take some more rest and troll on SOL [ x2] Pirate skulls and bones/ Pirate skulls and i.door bones from the late 1980's Hassan's raashin won't feed the Punties Sticks and stones and weed and bombs / But Faroole via Eastleigh feeds their piracy Running when we hit 'em / Running like crazy when they hijack em' ships Lethal poison for the system / Lethal poison to their system like Gas's premiership [x2] No one on the corner has swagger like us / Only Hassan of the HAG has swagger like Saffz Hit me on my Burner prepaid wireless / Hits me on my SOMTEL wireless like a unuka suffer We pack and deliver like UPS trucks / They packed and delivered Aweys to Justice Already going hell just pumping that gas / Already going hell just pumping that gas on him [x4] All I wanna do is (BANG BANG BANG BANG!) / All I wanna do is go home ( to Boston-ka) And (KKKAAAA CHING!) / And (rest from nightmare-kan!) And take your money / And take some more rest and troll on SOL M.I.A./ M.I.A in Dhagax Buur for days Third world democracy/ Saw Somaliland's world class democracy Yeah, I got more records than the K.G.B./ Yeah, they annexed more land of the D-hunters So, uh, no funny business / So, uh, its a funny business increasing their dawarsi counters Some some some I some I murder / Some some some some some say Saffz met Abdi iley Some I some I let go / Some some say that's a lie Some some some I some I murder / Some some some some say that's somewhat true Some Some say Saffz heard the Aar's bars Some Some say it was Al's. [x4] All I wanna do is (BANG BANG BANG BANG!) / All I wanna do is go home ( to Boston-ka) And (KKKAAAA CHING!) / And (rest from nightmare-kan!) And take your money / And take some more rest and troll on SOL LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL lmaoooo Al :D :D I'm home!

Selam nachihu y'all. Left Addis and currently in transit in the US en route to visit my parents in Canada, I haven't slept since leaving Jijiga (which would have been Friday night eastern time, it's now close to noon Sunday on the east coast). Flying directly to Toronto next time, I've never had a worse experience with US customs in my life, and I'm sure a lot of it has to do with flights coming from Africa/the third world. I'm tired and I'm pissed :mad:

Alpha Blondy;971439 wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL@Saffz, caadi maatihid. travel safe. i've been getting reports they've started work on the 17km from Kalabaydh to Wajaale. waa iga taalo. Indeed they have. Thanks inabti, will be back in the cantarbaqash corner sometime late next week (out for real this time, y'all)

Alpha Blondy;971436 wrote: bal adna? you logged out despite being online and i followed, dee? maad layaabtey? It was just an emotional outburst dee, I am trying to come to terms with the fact that I depart my beloved Hargeisa in several hours to return to kilil 5 tuulo life, and I'm leaving my new best friend Alpha behind too

Alpha we are FINISHED, ma garatay? :mad::mad:

I'm out y'all.