Classified;982270 wrote: Of course they can, as it's their choice to do as they please; but the 'can' I asked refers to from Islamic perspective. Does Islam allow Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men? Also, if you don't mind, what is your position on the matter Islamically? I answered your question, there is no such thing as "the Islamic perspective" because there is no one perspective for a matter that's been debated over centuries and has no scholarly consensus. Someone like Hassan al-Turabi has said it's permissible for a Muslim woman to marry a Christian or Jew. I don't care either way.

Classified;982264 wrote: Can a Muslim woman marry a Non-Muslim man? Of course they *can,* whether they *should* is something that's been up for debate for centuries and positions vary amongst scholars.

^^ you don't inherit religion from anyone and certainly not your father, in fact that's one aspect of traditional Arab religion that Islam clearly forbids. Don't try and invent religious justification for ethnocentrism and bigotry, Prophet Muhammad himself was married to women of different ethnic backgrounds (ie. a Jewish woman, an Egyptian Copt) and even encouraged interracial marriages (ie. he asked his cousin Zaynab to marry Zaid ibn Haritha).

It's inappropriate to post people's personal pics from Facebook on a public forum without their permission. Should be against SOL rules, if it's not already.

SomaliPhilosopher;982198 wrote: I start experimenting with writing a while back, wrote this story. never really finished it. now im revisiting it.. debating whether to wrap it as a short story, which appears more fitting, or continue with it... but what is the use of a short story?? idkkkkk decisions decisions Short stories are awesome, do it!

SomaliPhilosopher;982193 wrote: ^^ Though notice the languages differ from race to race... for the white women it is "women cannot accept the way things are""":confused: what is that soo vague.. for the muslim women it is "women need to be seen as equal" much more blunt and direct...of course not to mention what is written under the search bar also varies in severity.. for the white women it deals with matters of "bad drivers", "cannot be bishops", or the also vague "cannot be trusted" :confused:... these are soft, vague, and just obvious statements- women becoming a bishop?? whereas the muslim women things like "need to be put in place", or "need to be controlled", and "know their place"...compared to the white woman ad, these statements are focused and less random and share a common narrative which basically creates an image of her counterpart, the muslim male.. You're right, but the Muslim woman's ad also isn't as severe as say, the Asian woman. It's not perfect but it's a much better ad than what I had expected from Alpha's post.

Tallaabo;982174 wrote: I can already see Safferz storming Google's headquarters and strangling its chief executive;) I actually love the ad, now that I see there are other women featured, and it's not focusing on the Muslim woman as the object of gender oppression and "saving."

Nin-Yaaban;982102 wrote: Liban Ahmed, 31. 31 my @ss!

Saalax;982058 wrote: " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> lol I love this video so much.

Hawdian;982036 wrote: This exclusive club nor its members have time for haters. Nor Am I willing to debate with You. Please see youself out. Yareey sifacn uga baax meeshan sacad kuma xayo. note you will not be accepted nomatter how many youtube videos you upload. This club full of madaxweynayaal will be going from strength to strength have no doubt. No. Go start your own boys' forum if you want, this is SOL and people are free to post in whatever thread they'd like.

Mad_Mullah;982027 wrote: Even the South Somalis were referred by the British as Arab. In their eyes only the stereotypical half naked Bantu would be African. We can however not deny that many Somalilanders were uncle Toms to the British and tried to make the other Somali tribes sound inferior so that they would grow closer to the Queen's heart. That's an excerpt from Richard Burton, isn't it? He was in Somalia in 1856 or so, before the partition of Africa and the establishment of British colonies in East Africa. You're conflating a lot of things here, and Burton's 19th century racist gaze on Somalis isn't any indication of what Somalis thought of themselves or what their relationship to the British was, because at the time of writing there was no relationship. Secondly, regardless of what Brits observed about Somalis, under the colonial state in Somaliland/Somalia, they were classified as "natives" like all other Africans in British colonies were. Somalis in other parts of British East Africa like Kenya and Tanganyika were the ones to organize for Asian status.

Alpha Blondy;982022 wrote:

Alpha Blondy;982007 wrote: summoning Saffz and Spoows to this thread immediately to explain their anti-SL tirades. I'm not anti-SL, and I don't owe you an explanation for anything. Why do you think you own SL and everyone here has to answer to you on SL matters? Piss off.

SomaliPhilosopher;981970 wrote: And do you realize the Somalilanders inability to productively cooperate with the dar0d given tribal animosity has delayed achieving asiatic status for decades until it was useless and had no benefits, not to metion economically unsound. Plus, when post WW2 Somali nationalism emerged which was more ambitious and sought complete liberation rather than 'elevated status' under a colonial administration, it was unsupported by a faction of the somalilanders (the faction you would probably belong to), remnants of the "asiatic" status campaigners. Instead they continued in their miniscule pursuits under their tribal banner In defense of my reer abtiyaal (my own grandfather was a clerk for the colonial administration), you can't blame Somalis in British East Africa for manipulating the racial hierarchy imposed by the British in order to make better lives for themselves. It has nothing to do with self-hate, but about doing what they could to access the legal, political, social and economic privileges afforded to those not classified as "natives" in the colonial racial order. And the Somalis of British Somaliland were also instrumental in the Somali nationalist movement(s) for independence, while southern Somalia was given the 1960 date for independence by the United Nations, British Somaliland had no guarantee of independence. Pan-Somali nationalist activity combined with the reality of a decolonizing Africa gave the British no other choice. As much as 1960 is being rewritten today by modern Somalilander political discourse, the independence and unification of all the Somalilands was something popularly supported by those in the North. My uncle was part of the delegation from Hargeisa who went to Xamar that day -- their grievances against the central government only emerged later.

Saalax;981902 wrote: I think you missed the definition of south Somalia.. South is relative, and you separated Somaliland from "the rest of the pack," which implies everyone else. Why can't you celebrate a Somalilander's accomplishment without insulting other Somalis?

Saalax;981900 wrote: I always knew Somalilanders had higher IQ than the rest of the pack (south Somalians). ... isn't your mom from Puntland?

I'm crashing this little tea party :mad: We all know it's men sitting around discussing politics who ruin everything.

Where hyenas are used to treat mental illness By Richard Hooper BBC World Service Somalia has one of the highest rates of mental illness in the world and with a healthcare system devastated by years of war, most sufferers receive no medical help. Many are chained up - to trees or at home. Some are even locked in cages with hyenas. But one man is trying to change all that. Dr Hab's advert runs up to three times a day on Mogadishu's radio stations. "He's gone crazy! He's running away!" screams the actor. "Chain him down!" The scenario is familiar in Somalia. A man has become possessed by spirits and the only option for his family is to restrain him and call the sheikh. But as the young man protests, a voice that challenges Somali tradition booms out. "Stop with the chains!" the voiceover orders. "Take him to Dr Hab's hospital! If he's having mental problems, take him to Dr Hab. He won't chain him, he'll help him." Dr Hab is not actually a real psychiatrist. Rather it's the persona of Abdirahman Ali Awale, a nurse who after three months of specialist training from the World Health Organization (WHO), has made it his mission to rescue Somalia's mentally ill. He claims he is able to treat everything from post-natal depression to schizophrenia. But the alternative to a trip to Hab could be a visit to one of Somalia's popular herbalists or sheikhs who still advocate traditional - and sometimes barbaric - cures. "There is a belief in my country that hyenas can see everything including the evil spirits people think cause mental illness," says Hab. "So in Mogadishu, you will find hyenas that have been brought from the bush and families will pay £350 ($560) to have their loved one locked in the room overnight with the animal." The expensive treatment - more than the average annual wage - is as brutal as it sounds. By clawing and biting at the patient, the hyena is thought to force the evil spirit out. Patients, including young children, have been known to die during the process. "We are trying to show people that this is nonsense," says Hab. "People listen to our radio advert and they learn that mental illness is just like any other and needs to be treated with scientific methods." Hab's campaign was prompted by an incident in 2005 when he witnessed a group of female patients being chased through the streets by youths. "There was no-one to help them," he says. "I decided after that I would have to open Somalia's first mental hospital." The Habeb Public Mental Health Hospital in Mogadishu became the first of Hab's six centres across Somalia. Together, they have now treated over 15,000 patients. There were only three practising psychiatrists in the whole of Somalia at the last count, and Hab - despite his lack of advanced qualifications - is head of what has become the country's leading provider of mental health services. He even carries a letter from the minister of health that says so. Chaining mentally ill patients to trees has been a widespread practice in Somalia Hab faces a near insurmountable task. WHO estimates that one in three Somalis either is or has been affected by mental illness, compared to a global average of one in 10. In parts of the country, where the population has been the most psychologically scarred from decades of conflict, the rate is even higher. Cases of post-traumatic stress disorder are common and the situation is further complicated by widespread substance abuse. "Khat is a big, big problem," says Hab of the herbal stimulant which has been chewed for centuries in East Africa. Side effects are thought to include anxiety and even psychosis. "We treat them in the hospital and they leave, but then they start eating khat again. Sometimes I see the same patients seven or eight times." Western aid agencies in Somalia have often promoted projects targeting communicable diseases, not least because results are quicker and cheaper to obtain. Hab, meanwhile, says he is left to run his organisation with minimal resources and an erratic supply of psychotropic medicines that he sources from NGOs and private pharmacies. Even getting sufferers to recognise that their condition constitutes an illness is difficult. Psychological problems are more likely to be reported by Somalis as physical pain - headaches, sweating, and chest pain. Some concepts of mental illness do not even exist in Somali culture - depression, for example, translates as "the feelings a camel has when its friend dies". Dr Hab uses his minibus to rescue patients who have been left in chains But nothing is more indicative of the population's poor understanding of mental health than the widespread practice of chaining-up sufferers to trees and in rooms. GRT, an Italian NGO, has documented sufferers who have been chained up their entire life. "I myself have saved many patients who have been left to die," says Hab who drives a minibus into rural areas, unchaining people and taking them to one of his centres. "Parents, siblings, relatives - they've just been chained up to a tree and the family has gone." The WHO has funded a "Chain Free Initiative", with the aim of eradicating the practice altogether, starting with the use of chains in hospitals. But even Hab admits to having chained up some of his most aggressive patients. He tells the story of how, in 2007, one unintended consequence of his acquisition of a batch of the anti-psychotic drug, fluphenazine hydrochloride, was an increased appetite in his patients. They took to scaling the walls of his hospital in Mogadishu to scavenge for food. But still desperately unwell, some of the escapees had been shot when they ignored orders at a military checkpoint. Chaining them to their beds, concluded Hab, was the only option. Dr Hab regularly speaks in public to raise awareness of mental health issues "Many patients take a long time to treat," he says. "There has been no outside help focussed on treating mental health problems and the main reason NGOs are not getting involved is because of the expense." Hab is motivated by the thousands of patients he believes remain chained up in private homes. He sends through a spreadsheet showing what he needs - new mattresses, food for patients, and diesel for his minibus. There is also a shortage of qualified psychiatrists and nurses. The daily struggle to provide for his patients and the suffering he witnesses is clearly taking its toll. "Physiologically and mentally it's a very hard job" he says. "I was healthy when I started, now I suffer from diabetes. I am dealing with big, big problems all by myself. "I have cried on TV, I have cried in public places, I have cried in front of presidents," he says. "Even now I feel like crying."

Alpha Blondy;981867 wrote: :D inabti, wa inaad xaal ka bixisid hadalkaagan xun, ruunti. sowdigan ''SL'' cay iyo aflaagado ka la daali waayey. wa inaan ku gursado anigoo. taas uun ayaa laga aqbali doona, ma garatay? maxaad ka qabto, inabti? :cool: Mooge - inaar, so kaxey reerka Saffz, saaxiibadeed (including indhoyar folks), deriskeeda, shaqaalaha aay la shaqeyso, saddex iyo toban halaad iyo fanaanada cod macan oon wali khiyaamooyinka khaadka baran. Shiekh Nuune - abti, so diyaar garow aad sii kala shaandhaysid wixii caqliga gala iyo wixii aan caqliga galayn eh. Wadani - inantan feminist-ka ah ee ku magac dheere Saffz aana hadaa kadib qabaa ee sida uula soco adiguna.

Wadani;981810 wrote: Don't mix up marriage with politics. I am 100% in favour of inter-clan marriage. I'm a pan-somali at heart whose politics isn't always as idealistic, as the realities on the ground won't allow it. I, and many of us here, are prisoners of circumstance. Few things are more political than marriage... Abbaas;981826 wrote: Mooge, just give up abti, after reading the quote below. Safferz weey tagtoooooooow weey talaabteeeeeeeey ee get over it! Abbaas :mad: That ain't right lol

Saalax;981777 wrote: What does the constitution of Somalia say about Somalia citizenship for people born to Somali women and foreign fathers? In Somaliland in order to be considered a Somalilander majority of the time one has to have a Somaliland father to be a Somalilander. That's because clan is at the core of Somaliland nationality whether it's openly stated or not, and citizenship through paternal inheritance is the only way of ensuring the clan makeup of the country stays the same. I can't think of another constitution in the world (in the 21st century) that excludes women from full rights of citizenship in this way, and it's something Somaliland will have to rethink if it wants to continue fashioning itself as a democratic, politically stable "oasis" in the Horn. Incidentally, Wadani's agreement with Somaliland's citizenship law does confirm Nin Yaaban's theory that racists and tribalists are often the same people The exclusionary logic is the same.

SomaliPhilosopher;981755 wrote: I see you are a reader of Fanon huh? Please put that psychology to use and be the Somali fanon por favor Clearly neither of you are reading Fanon (who was married to a white woman, btw) correctly if you're spouting the views you are in this thread. Unfortunate.

Wadani;981751 wrote: How is trying to preserve the purity of ones ethnic group hatred for others? I don't follow this logic. Really? Even the term "miscegenation" is racially loaded, and the idea of ethnic/racial "purity" itself is highly problematic (there is no such thing as a pure ethnic group, anyway).

Wadani;981743 wrote: Well it depends what you mean by racism. I don't hate other races, I just have greater affinity and strong loyalty to my own people. "Miscegenation is an abomination" could be something straight out of a KKK manifesto, but that was your visceral response to seeing this video. Not sure how that's anything but racism and hatred for others, which is un-Somali and un-Islamic.

Hawdian, it's not that we didn't see that you posted "Kung Fu Fighting" twice before this third post, it's just not funny. And it won't get any funnier by continuing to post it. Mooge;981741 wrote: i fear our resident beauty safferz may be lured by these scrupulous foreign hungry men. Love is love There are a number of things I'd consider when seeing someone, but ethnic background is not particularly important to me. There are more important traits to look at and I don't think it makes sense to limit myself to Somali men exclusively.