History's victims are today's victims..

My people were not foolish enough to be lead a dead end road by a high on opium mad mullah. For that I'm grateful my ancestors were smart enough to have avoided the death cult known as the Dervish. You my friend can repeat a thousand times, the made up history from the late dictators ministry of misinformation, but we know eachother, your people and mine. You could not free anyone today or yesterday, so save the cheap talk. My ancestors are the ones who allowed me to today own most of your land, so show some respect, lad

Dervish, only in your delusional head can you compare, the SNM freedom fighters, with this SSC thing. The same delusional head that concludes that you are somehow responsible for the unity of the Somali state, when the truth is, as footsoldiers and beneficiaries of the late dictator, you were instrumental in the implosion and eventual destruction of the former Somali republic. We have been kind enough to forget and forgive your past transgressions but we can only be pushed so far. This Somaliland child will be defended and nurtured with zero regard for anyone. Not my tribes feelings and certainly not yours..

This thread says more about, Carafats wishes for the conference, than what will really take place. The folks in Taleex are a saver hands when it comes to Somalilandnimo than Carafat. He is still stuck in the ceased former Somalia republic mentally and is need of a serious reality check. Like humpty dumpty, the old historical Somalia has been broken into a million pieces and will no be put back together anytime soon. Just don't keep wishing your houses catches fire, Carafat, as that won't make anybody's situation better just worse..

I agree, Kulmiye will sink along with it's current leader XX's uncle Mr Bixi. New partys are good to reinforce progressive democracy and inject much needed new blood..

Che, you'll get an answer once we understand which team you bat for..

Thankful, in his typical pirate manor insulted my president which prompted me to correct him. You see, I support Silanyo and I'm on this thread to defend his legacy. What's your reason for being on this thread? Are you here to defend the pirate king Faroole or the so-called prime minister? Che, who exactly do you support politically, are you still with the medieval gang called al-shabab?

Che, you do like sticking your nose in every tight whole possible don't you? If you look carefully at my comment, I did not concen myself with his trip. I just pointed out a simple; only one leader in the whole horn has been legitimately elected by majority of his people, and only he can be considered a leader. The rest are assortment of actors playing roles above there grades..

More people voted for Mujahid Siilanyo than the whole TFG, Faroole the pirate king put together. That's the simple truth. As for this unelected sad excus for a prime minister and his worthless trip to his tribal cesspool it doesn't deserve to be commented on...

Somalia aka pirate boy have you had a personal experience with a gentleman from Somaliland pulling your pants down and putting you on his lap? You seem to be very emotional about these issues you have brought forth.. Btw, this childish method you seem to be employing inorder to silence objective news from the pirate state willnot work. We in Somaliland respect any news both negative and positive. So we thank you for your efforts and we promise to look at all the cases individually.

Nothing will change, this is just another method milking the cow, so to speak. If anything I expect Somaliland to increase it's influence, further incoperate the missing pieces of the jigsaw back under a single political admin based in Hargeisa. The diaspora community can carry on writing hot air articles about bad Somaliland and the history between the tribes who dwell in that region..

Abtigis, that's not true. What is true, is that your mind is not able to store any information which might paint your TOL in a negative light. However, when it comes to the SNM tribe, you not only store facts, but create some baseless lies to reinforce your tribal hatred. You are part of the old breed consumed by the clannish virus, for Somalis to progress dinosaurs like yourself must be made obsolete.

Habashi's not only occupying your land but also your mind. So, Abtigis, your not happy that the Somali girls are moving down the social ladder by marrying madows, whilst the Ethiopians are going the opposite direction with cadaans? Hmm. Me thinks you have a very caveman like attitude to females. It's like they are empty vessels, to be either given away as objects by the SNM, or taken by outsiders with total disregard for there wishes.

The ONLF, a tribal militia, is more than welcome to represent it's local constituency in any negotiations, however, it would be unwise for it to assume that it represents all Somalis, as it does not. Let's hope the outcome of any negotiations is that the poor suffering O civilians will get some rest from being in the middle of this war of attrition between the psychotically mad TPLF and the ineffective and extremely shortsighted ONLF. They will be the only winners for I can't see the other Somalis sitting idol whilst their future is divided up and shared. Lol

This thread was ill-conceived and not thought through correctly. It will be interesting to see the different explanations provided after the gather fails to reach a unanimous decision in unity because the cracks are too deep and far apart to smooth over. I for one hope that after you come out fragmented those with sense will fall in line behind SSC, the political party in Hargeisa that is.

The ONLF is a rag tag militia inflicted with a cancerous tribal mindset trying to convince the west it's some national struggle to free people. The only people who believe in this narration are the likes of the utterly blinded by clannish tunnel vision, Abtigis, and his O people. No other group, not the other D's, not the ones from Gedo or Bosasso or even the ones from Somaliland, nor do the H's of Mogdisho support the ONLF. not even all the O's support the ONLF. So it's quite clear that this group is singularly one of the most divisive group to exist today, yet it somehow believes that they are fighting for Somali freedom. The only reasonable way this group could be successful is to dismantle it and replace it with another organisation which is inclusive of all the tribes in that region. This is a very distant future taking into account the current animosity, hostility and so little trust between Somalis. As this would no be possible, I'm in favour of each tribe arming themselves to defend there land. Somaliland needs to put time and effort in uniting all the hawd tribes from Somaliland, inorder to give them the means to defend themselves against both the ONLF and it's surrogates the O occupation forces.

The ONLF is a vehicle for the O tribe to increase it's land size and eventuall power, it has no ambition to free anyone, just for the poor inhabitants to swap one occupier, the Ethiopians, for another, the ONLF. You won't find any group with in Somaligalbeed who prefer the ONLF to Ethiopia which is why most are hostile to it's presence in their regions. The O tribe and power are an oxymoron, totally Incompatible. You only have to look at the major catastrophic role they played in the dismantling and destruction of Somalia. To somehow assume that these people have changed and deserve total domination of Somaligalbeed would be suicide. Ignoring all these factors and to answer Abtigis, you can't even unite your own tribe in the ONLF, why would other Somalis?

Carafaat, adeer your words are a little thin and your thoughts are being clouded by selfish emotions. You need re-educational classes to stregthen your Somalilandnimo. In your current mindset you are a sitting duck for the vultures and if you want to know how things will end, ask your elders. Please don't be a social worker in a battlefield..

I have not been on SOL for long, however, in my time here I have noticed a common habit of people writing essays, and long articles, for no reason. Basically because all the substances it contains could have been summed up in one or two paragraphs. The reason why something of no substance is streched to almost breaking point, is because one has to show off how well they write the Queens English. What they are saying to the reader is; do you like my English writing skills, yes? Good, now forget everything else. But hang on Mr Abtigis, we can't forget everything else. In a court of law cases are judged on substances, facts, source's and proves. You seem to have forgotten this in your old age. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and put it down to amnesia catching up with you. Let's also go back to your statement and do a good autopsy on it.. "You claim that people from Somaliland are scared of competing with those from the south" This is not true on a business level and Dahabshill will vouch for that, not true on a government level where we have a president democratically elected by his people, in a one man, one vote contest. Even in the medieval Islamic preachers of Al-Shabab it's held with an iron grip by a man hailing from Somaliland. My question to you is, I have provided you prove why I think we could compete with the south on anything but death and destruction. Can you, Mr Abtigis, tell me what prove you have that Somalilanders can not compete with southerners? And remember; facts, proves, sources. No long articles of empty words. You second and final claim was that; you reduced Sonaliland to a tortoise based on it's efforts to attain recognition. In the same sentence your amnesia must have altered your thinking and made you conclude that Somalia was some like an eagle flying high. This statement would be funny if it wasn't so tragic, and that is honest opinion. Somalia is today occupied by bantu mecenaries, not save for the white or it's president who most have spent more time airborne then any human in history. One the otherside is a group medieval thugs controlling most of the south, add to this combusting scene, both it's neighbours, Kenya and Ethioipian have decided to invade it -it should be mentioned that you support this invasion for foolish short term gain- at there own discretion. The president his mercenaries, the American and there drones, Ethiopians and Kenyans are using it as a dump. Tell me what eagle or animal does this happen to? Could you show me and the rest this eagle and do you see any caravans close to it? Regarding Somaliland as a tortoise; The only democracy in the horn, your words hollow. Adeer I know what you suffer from. It's a a bad illness and can, if not cured lead one to the grave. I would advice that you find something more enjoyable than hating on the success of your brother and hoping, praying he falls. Finding that key to this might help you finding a way to lead your people to freedom. It's 2012 and your people are occupied, whilst you hate on others. Misplaced prioraties me thinks.

I swear this guy is drunk.. Period Abtigis, your a poor occupied O, who has lost more land than the American Indians and the aborigines of Australia combined. All these little insults aimed at the good hard working men of Somaliland's integrity won't stick. Simply because it's clear that you harbour a deep hate which like cancer will take you to your grave. Old man have some dignity and act like a man your age. You can hate the SNM for chasing your Opuim sniffing Mad Mullah or dismantling you master Afweynes mafia state. They fought gallantly and in the end were victories. Don't be a mad loser old man. Forget pimping our women, heck, we don't even pimp yours. We have our moral compass functioning perfectly with zero room for error. So as they say "pull your finger out" ..

This list is biased and is from a pirate's point of view. We can appreciate if he assumes that Somaliland has lost something, to say otherwise would be treason. If you compare the way Somaliland deals with conflicts around it's borders to the gong-ho style of the pirate state, you will see first hand the subtle advanced techniques Sonaliland uses to find solutions to problems. This is the reason why the SSC folks will sooner or later fall in a single formation and walk to the beat of a happy Sonalilander, no matter how hard it's disapora community tries to kick start another part by you know who..

The pirates either want more money or more power, in short it's driven by nothing but vulgar greed. Nothing to applaud here..

Abtigis, if I qualify as a juvenile, then you must surelly be from those who grew fat under the late dictators patronage but ever since the SNM overthrow your hero, you have been left to find comfort in creating fictional stories against your enemies. That you expect us to believe these stories created under the influence of a good bottle of JD is laughable. You still ignored the clear facts I have brought to your attention, which makes me question your intentions for creating this thread. it's clear your sole aim was to insult and not to discuss. You are a sorry, not sober old man who is trying to hide his tribalist insults with lonely fancy words. This topic has shown everyone your true colours and any little respect you had from the Solers representing Somaliland has disintegrated. Infact Abtigis you have displayed your juvenile fetish and protract it on the SNM, which is sad for a man your age. I would advice that you worry about the morals of your occupied people...

Abtigis, can you tell me about the moral poverty of your OG group, who are today pimping themselves and everything else to Zenew. You have avoided my points concerning this issue and have instead chosen to repeat the same void point again and again and again, ignoring any advice that this path you are following is a dead end. If you want to compare the morals of your OG group to the SNM group facts on the ground would disagree with your conclusion. Go and ask iley and your people working for the occupying ethiopian force about their morals. It goes without saying, you being an occupied OG can only claim the moral high ground in your head and far away from reality.lol

And then comes libaan to sh!t all over the thread with his anti-Somaliland books..