^^SO negative.

^^^Or the Indonesian’s who insist on forming a chain,(by linking arms) the chain of death, they knock everything in their path, you better run around them. Ngonge: I don't have the energy.

loool @ Naden. Some of what we say is actually valuable, lool Right. Commercials will always make use of wide spread myths, regardless of how many studies. It is interesting that it rather depends on whether someone is introvert or an extrovert. A new correlation.

Geel Jire: From the little I read of Richard Burton I enjoyed, and i thought it was a true reflection. Have you got a link for what you read?

^^^Thats very interesting to say the least. hmmm

^^^It just had to be you :rolleyes:

^^^That is not true^^^

I guess nothing is true unless You or your family see it?? Maybe you should go and check it out for yourself. I personally don't see the big deal, as long as they find a practical away that allows me to complete my hajj in peace: they can chop hands off, more police or give me another area.

^^Ouch, north have some mercy! Rooble: You are not allowed to work in your country of origin, so if you mentioned you/ family if from there....

Justice, why?? Yeah i do a lot of networking. It is good to know these things, they open doors for you.

Normally between £150 -£200 to speed up your application, it works. Some times Your Visa is there, they just don't want to give it to you. If all else fails, If it is the Saudi embassy I know someone there.

^^^You have to pay them a bribe honey, they won't give it unless you bribe them.

Nom: ^^Not if they are Somali, too predictable, I know them as well I Know me lol just kidding. Seef laaboodka iiyago ee baar. Munira: lol,

^^^and you stopped on your track and watched them till they turn the corner :rolleyes: So welcoming.

^^I was Talking about Hargisa as well, it is not better in that area, they still treat you like a foreigner, and they assume you do not speak somali or do not know the norm.

Actually I was so sad when I went to Somaliland and they called me foreigner, and they make you feel like a foreigner, even little kids on the streets all you foreigner. I thought I was finally home, but no…. Then I come back to UK, and I was still a foreigner.

^^^Uluma can be both men and women. I have no problem with them deciding what constitutes a better plan, I'm just stating what I would like ( If I was to go Hajj, would I like to curse, and push my way through huge inconsiderate men, with the occasional harassment of perverted men, or have my own place to do the same action, same reward with less hassle,) then I opt for the second choice, even if it means a change of what was the norm. lool @in door Kaaba, with no corners. lol Munira in an ideal world yes, but sadly in reality no, you will find those hands, and they will annoy and :mad: so much you will forget why you even went to hajj.

^^lool BOB: The language police only protects English. There is also a unspoken rule that, making mistakes in Somali is caadi

Are you serious? Why not just stay at home then and not travel that distance. The point is, one should have the right to look, gaze, get killed trying to touch the Ka’ba if one chooses to, it’s the least you can do after having though it through, paid thousands of £s to get there and risked your life. There is a difference between having the right to do, and actually doing it, no one is saying that it is wrong for women to go to the Ka,aab or sinful, what the uluma is saying is that it is proving to be counter productive. After having thought about it for so long, paid thousands of £s to get there, and try and get reward/ sins washed away (which is the soul reason in the first place) it is counter productive and a waste of all your effort and money, if you achieve nothing but sin's or is harassed, and you spend the whole day cursing and killing people in the process to reach the ka, aab. Better you sit at home. The issue is not about what you have the right to, but rather what is rewarding for you and what will make your ceebaad acceptable. To say that women can not be in or around certain places just because they were born female is not only oppressive but insulting to men. Yes, I agree, but they are not saying that, what they are saying is, if you want to do your Hajj in peace, and try get the maximum rewards for your deeds, with out being side tracked or harassed by people who are not here for Hajj, we have devised a better plan for you. This I have no problems with.

^^I've heard of Sheikh Bashir, but no idea why. hhmm. Micheal Maryamo was the only Christian man in Hargisa i heard, is there another reason he is famous for? In that case, north i'm not that bad, Waaxaan aarkee khaar mince hilib kaa diiga

^^^lol^ North, I thought you did that anyway

^^You! of all people should be glade for their charitable nature. Male deficit?, really where, I hardly ever see any Somali girls (unless you are in a “women only weddings” everywhere else is full of Farah’s). I think Somali Female deficit is closer to the truth.

^^Might as well, so many of them getting married this summer, they should have one big tacky pre paid wedding, it will be cheaper all around ( one hall, we each only have to buy one outfit to wear, no clash's in dates (so you can be sure everyone will be there (even the ones you do not like), and you will all share one especial day) JAc you and your crazy ideas! shakes head

^^YEp or as they put it: "run", "run faster", and "run like your hair is on fire".

^^I do like the BNP, but when I applied for membership they told me I was too dark to join, they told me if I was a light skin Asian I would’ve had a chance, as long as it does not become public! I don't particularly like the HT (bit dream like, and useless, crazy impossible ideology) but I do not think they are terrorist and should be banned, while the likes of BNP Nick is allowed to run around free!. Can you imagine the whole of the Asian Community is HT, when I was in university, they run the Islamic society, if they were banned, all these maskeen Asians will be locked up. Jac: What do you mean?