^^^Paragon, I know a few brothers (one who nearly got killed by Bengalis) for Asian women. Sister if you want a Somali man and your Pakistan: Eat lots of PFC (they like big hips and other parts too, try to look more like a black women body shape than Kate Moss) Grow your hair, argue with him (don't be a push over, they like a challenge (they pretend they don't)oh and learn your deen. I know half Asian half Somali Kids. They are stunning mashallah.

Well considering the unlikelihood of a divorced women getting a husband within the Pakistan community, it is not suprising that divorce is very uncommon. In addition, the fact that Asian families have to PAY the guy dowery(money/gold) to marry their daughter makes marriage a family run business where a women cannot simply decided to walk away from her family investment because she no longer gets on with her husband. The reason Somali divorces are more common than Pakistan divorces is in fact a positive thing, Somali women do not have a huge guilt or severe obligation to stay in an abusive or unworkable marriage. Living in the heart of East London, I have seen my share of abused Asian women who cannot walk away or speak out against mistreatment, often staying in unbearable situation, at a huge psychological and at times physical cost. So please don’t preach to me about marriage and oh how divorce is so bad. Asian cultures have made a hala option (divorce) almost haram, making it impossible for women to leave. There is nothing worse than feeling trapped, with no exit strategy, immense pressure from your family and shunned by the community. In contrast to that, Somali women are not seen as burden or investment by their families, while every effort is made to make a marriage work, and the family will put pressure on them to try harder, there is no force, nor are they required to stay in abusive or uncomfortable environment. Somali women can remarry (some remarry many many times) Furthermore ultimately they women can turn around and refuse or go against her whole family and his if she feels that it is not work. This is mainly because our families don’t have to buy a man for us, in fact the guys are required to compensate the girls family. Obviously if I knew my family has been saving up to pay for me to marry some guy, I will feel obliged to stay with him regardless of how I feel or what I am getting out of this marriage. Somali women expect a lot more from their husbands, and they demand more, there is not an obvious hierarchy of I am the husband and you must obey me like the Asian community, it is more informal and mutual agreement. For example a Somali women will never live and cook for her in law, even back in nomadic life styles, they demanded their own space, house, food and sources of livelihood. So my dear sis, to answer your question, yes the rate is higher when compared to the Pakistan or even Asian community, but this stems from our different cultures and approach to marriage and we do not see it as a negative thing. It is a good option compared to be stuck. Cheers

Che, stop spreading lies, otherwise I will not be allowed to use the net at this rate! :mad: Sabriya, like your ducas, thank you. Amina lool you've seen it all.

^^^never ever lie, I worked with a guy once, there was always someone dying in his family. I've never called in sick, ever for anything, I just don't turn up or get cover or pretend I forgot. Whcih reminds me I need to get out of a conference, I hate presenting, any excuses I can use.

Che isn't Ibti what????

^^^You know waax kaasta waa caalaf, meeshi ayah iila gaashey dee.

^^^I don't, I mean that, it could not get any greener at our end, the rest is like abaar compared to it.

Sister1000, Amina/Tammy can probably tell you better, you see me and Sabriya are bias, we think Somali men the king don of mankind, anything we say is bound to be coloured. P.s. Tammy Wlc/ I'm on ur facebook and been using your website for about a year. Brother named Adam posted on on SOL last year. Your site rocks. Mashallah

^^^LOOL @Che!!1 HAHAHA Leave it alone waryaa. Sister1000 You can use it any time sis; So, where are you from?? What is your culture like?? And what are your men like?? You never know, which side of the bread is buttered

Okay, okay, since you know in tafa la qaabto, I'll allow you.

There are loads of Somalis in Harrow, holla a one of them. Culture: you will find opposits, huge topic. should we tell you about the typial wife?? Sabriya: You forgot about Camels and baarookad, you sure you is Somali??? HAHA

^^^I did not say do the FBI rounds on him; people will tell you all sorts, particularly if she goes around saying "hey I wanna marry that guy" There will be two camps, ONE: Will say nothing but good stuff, the other will say nothing but bad stuff coz they on't want brothers marrying out. hehe She will be left confused. I meant ask a trusted source (like his teacher, brother, sister, guy next door, his work mate, oh and his ex ) Sabriya, the SOL boys think you the best thing since slice bread, they will never get angry with you.

You are thinking of marrying someone you've never spoken to?? Okay when you do speak to him, don't mention it. Your biggest mistake is assuming he has anything common with anyone else. Just take the time to find out. You don't even have to ask him. Somalis have a great extended network, ou can find out everything about him without asking him anything. Good Luck. Sabriya; there is no one better looking and as nice as our dear brothers. They rock LOOL @ cara

Call him "somalian" if he corrects you, marry him, if he lets it go or tells you he is Somalian, run as fast as you can. On a serious note: there are no personality traits, get to know him and treat him like an individual, Somali guys are like any other man, just better looking and nicer.

^^You mean the big fat arrow on all the regions, this map is full of bad bews!

^Fuulayo waaxid. LOool Good to hear the kids still have the old fire in them Don't know what happened to the adults. They probably only noticed when he left and got mad that they missed the shiiding fun! HAHAH

^^^ Why only him?? Kuu waa kuu raacey waaliiad aya kaa taaran nooh?

^^^No, the "best part of Puntiland" [if I use the words loosely] is on Alert and predicted as potential to deteriorate. Firstly you think the map can be used to measure how well parts of Somalia is doing [it is not, did you notice the negative ranking?], and secondly you think that being on "Alert" for food shortage is something to be happy about. How noble of you to blame the alert on IDP of southern SOmalis and Oromo's, so Puntilanders are living like kings and Queens miya and everyone else is dragging you down, how unfortunate. LOool @ it is doing better than your state, I am sure you mean your village is better than my village. I am sure it is, but let me know when there is something positive to be excited about and we can all celebrate. In the mean time, the point is you have no point to make, the level of poverty people all over the horn is so bad that we are arguing over who is going to suffer from food shortages first.

So did he make any speechs or did he hide in the hotel for the night and run for cover the next morning?? Can't believe reer Burco, they must have been too busy working

^^Are you okay?? Now we are taking religious advise from the pharaohs just so you can clench on something to be “proud of” Acudubillah. So we are saving "Mashallah" because people in Bossaso will be the last to starve to death compared to other Somalis?? How interesting. Farax Brawn, but Ely is on critical, so not sure about your pirate money theory. Your all missing the point; The whole of former Somalia is experiencing food shortage, there is no city or even village with plenty of food, some just have not completely run out of food YET. So what are you squabbling about?? By the way did any of you notice that the map also predicts that ALL of Somalia, including Puntiland is going to get WORSE: It has been ranked as Potential to Deteriorate [scroll down to the map and read the key for what the huge red arrows pointing downwards means.] So tell me what is there to be excited about?? :confused:

^^As usual WHAT? :confused: Nassir: Why? because it was a feel good sound bites, or because you think American policy has changed or even shifted slightly?? Killing us softly, the tongue says one thing, acts in the opposite, it only confuses the Miskeen followers who think he can make a difference, puts them back to sleep in a coma, because they think a “friend” is fighting on their side.

The speech;

Hailed as a landmark moment Barack Obama's speech in Cairo to the Muslim World was much talked about & keenly anticipated, as far as the content goes it certainly lived up to the hype. There's no questioning the charisma and charm that President Obama has on stage which surpasses that of any recent US President, but then again George W Bush was hardly a tough act to beat. It was this charisma that allowed him to deliver, almost flawlessly, a speech that said everything that Muslims wanted to hear including references to several verses of the Holy Quran which went down a treat with the Cairo audience. There's no denying that Obama's speech contained all the right messages i.e. messages that the Muslim World wanted to and needed to hear from a US President. His public endorsement of Muslim women's right to wear the Hijab and rebuke of those who seek to curb this right was refreshing and pleasing to hear. His reference to the advances made by Muslim intellectuals in the fields of Science and Mathematics was a welcome message especially given the amount of hate churned out by critics of Islam which constantly attack Islam as being a "backward" faith. He acknowledged America's own problems in dealing with Muslims, he noted that a clampdown on charitable donations in the US had impeded many Muslims right to pay the Zakat, an obligatory contribution that every Muslim person must make to the poor and needy. His commitment to help fix this showed his readiness to accept and challenge the flaws that exist within the US. Most importantly however the issue of Palestine was given, after a very long time, the right amount of emphasis by a US President on a public platform. However he did start off on the topic by declaring that the US bond with Israel was "Unbreakable". No stranger to the powerful pro-Israel lobby and its stranglehold on US foreign policy in the Middle East, this message was no doubt a reassurance to those at AIPAC HQ that he was not going to use America's 'special' relationship with Israel as a sacrificial lamb in his quest for dialogue with the Muslim World. Despite this blatant pandering to the lobby, the messages he did deliver on Palestine were the strongest signs of support for Palestinian Statehood yet. His tough line on illegal Israeli settlements was also welcome news to the audience in Cairo and beyond. Most importantly it must have hammered home the message to the Israeli Government which has been taking an increasingly beligirent attitude with regards to the settlements. Other than the status of Jerusalem, he touched on every aspect of Palestinians plight including the refugees and used the correct terminology referring to the plight of the Palestinians as "intolerable". By mentioning the Civil Rights Movement in the US & the anti-Apartheid campaign in South Africa he cleverly linked the Palestinian plight in the same vain which certainly ruffled more than a few feathers amongst the Hasbara brigade, more on that at the end. All in all his speech was well written, well delivered and it genuinely felt like he meant what he said. Now comes the but.... Talking of such things i.e. Settlements, Palestinian Refugees etc is nothing new, the only difference is that this time round a Global audience tuned into listen. The real challenge and one that will prove the sincerity of President Obama is whether he will deliver on any of the key point he raised in his speech. His speech was not well received by the Hasbara mob, including one of the oldest subscribers to the cause, Mel Phillips. Her disgust at the speech is difficult to miss in her blog post on the Right Wing Spectator magazine. To have ruffled Phillips' feathers in such a way certainly indicates that the US administration is finally talking seriously about the resolution of the Palestinian Plight and this reaction in itself should reassure some critics that maybe things really will be different under Obama. However if I were to end this article in one sentence addressed to President Obama it would be... "Less words Mr President and more action please" If I see that then I too will be willing to give President Obama a standing ovation. A different Perspective.

Once you strip away the mujamalat – the courtesies exchanged between guest and host – the substance of President Obama's speech in Cairo indicates there is likely to be little real change in US policy. It is not necessary to divine Obama's intentions – he may be utterly sincere and I believe he is. It is his analysis and prescriptions that in most regards maintain flawed American policies intact. Though he pledged to "speak the truth as best I can", there was much the president left out. He spoke of tension between "America and Islam" – the former a concrete specific place, the latter a vague construct subsuming peoples, practices, histories and countries more varied than similar. Labelling America's "other" as a nebulous and all-encompassing "Islam" (even while professing rapprochement and respect) is a way to avoid acknowledging what does in fact unite and mobilise people across many Muslim-majority countries: overwhelming popular opposition to increasingly intrusive and violent American military, political and economic interventions in many of those countries. This opposition – and the resistance it generates – has now become for supporters of those interventions, synonymous with "Islam". It was disappointing that Obama recycled his predecessor's notion that "violent extremism" exists in a vacuum, unrelated to America's (and its proxies') exponentially greater use of violence before and after September 11, 2001. He dwelled on the "enormous trauma" done to the US when almost 3,000 people were killed that day, but spoke not one word about the hundreds of thousands of orphans and widows left in Iraq – those whom Muntazer al-Zaidi's flying shoe forced Americans to remember only for a few seconds last year. He ignored the dozens of civilians who die each week in the "necessary" war in Afghanistan, or the millions of refugees fleeing the US-invoked escalation in Pakistan. As President George Bush often did, Obama affirmed that it is only a violent minority that besmirches the name of a vast and "peaceful" Muslim majority. But he seemed once again to implicate all Muslims as suspect when he warned, "The sooner the extremists are isolated and unwelcome in Muslim communities, the sooner we will all be safer." Nowhere were these blindspots more apparent than his statements about Palestine/Israel. He gave his audience a detailed lesson on the Holocaust and explicitly used it as a justification for the creation of Israel. "It is also undeniable," the president said, "that the Palestinian people – Muslims and Christians – have suffered in pursuit of a homeland. For more than sixty years they have endured the pain of dislocation." Suffered in pursuit of a homeland? The pain of dislocation? They already had a homeland. They suffered from being ethnically cleansed and dispossessed of it and prevented from returning on the grounds that they are from the wrong ethno-national group. Why is that still so hard to say? He lectured Palestinians that "resistance through violence and killing is wrong and does not succeed". He warned them that "It is a sign of neither courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus. That is not how moral authority is claimed; that is how it is surrendered." (Note: the last suicide attack targeting civilians by a Palestinian occurred in 2004) Fair enough, but did Obama really imagine that such words would impress an Arab public that watched in horror as Israel slaughtered 1,400 people in Gaza last winter, including hundreds of sleeping, fleeing or terrified children, with American-supplied weapons? Did he think his listeners would not remember that the number of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians targeted and killed by Israel has always far exceeded by orders of magnitude the number of Israelis killed by Arabs precisely because of the American arms he has pledged to continue giving Israel with no accountability? Amnesty International recently confirmed what Palestinians long knew: Israel broke the negotiated ceasefire when it attacked Gaza last November 4, prompting retaliatory rockets that killed no Israelis until after Israel launched its much bigger attack on Gaza. That he continues to remain silent about what happened in Gaza, and refuses to hold Israel accountable demonstrates anything but a commitment to full truth-telling. Some people are prepared to give Obama a pass for all this because he is at last talking tough on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank. In Cairo, he said: "The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop." These carefully chosen words focus only on continued construction, not on the existence of the settlements themselves; they are entirely compatible with the peace process industry consensus that existing settlements will remain where they are for ever. This raises the question of where Obama thinks he is going. He summarised Palestinians' "legitimate aspirations" as being the establishment of a "state". This has become a convenient slogan to that is supposed to replace for Palestinians their pursuit of rights and justice that the proposed state actually denies. Obama is already on record opposing Palestinian refugees' right to return home, and has never supported the right of Palestinian citizens of Israel to live free from racist and religious incitement, persecution and practices fanned by Israel's highest office holders and written into its laws. He may have more determination than his predecessor but he remains committed to an unworkable two-state "vision" aimed not at restoring Palestinian rights, but preserving Israel as an enclave of Israeli Jewish privilege. It is a dead end. There was one sentence in his speech I cheered for and which he should heed: "Given our interdependence, any world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will inevitably fail." • Ali Abunimah is co-founder of The Electronic Intifada and author of One Country, A Bold Proposal to end the Israeli-Palestinian Impasse. The Guardian comments is free

^^Thought u will like ur childhood song anout ur planed event, I'm easy, what ever date, just let me know the night before what you agree.