^^I'm serious, what are you LoLing about @ CL. Ngonge chews from time to time.

Ngonge Remember you wanted to be on TV? Shall I send a referral your way? Under the Skin of khat chewers

Ngonge you must make yourself useful and start writing again. This thread use to help me fill all those hrs when everyone is asleep.

Faheema did you go to work?? I woke up with a headache and so tired. Tonight I am going to bed at 8pm inshallah.

^^^Not true, it is not one of the signs of the day of judgement. Miis waxa kasta wa laiska yidhad to creat fear. Dajiye: I don't think you should speak about Cara like that; she will cut off your toes and feed you to them. Canjeex: I'm still waiting for the day you say something worth reading/responding to :rolleyes:

^^^No, the person added their own damn picture. They told me to watch this Xalimo trying to break in to film with Prad Pitt.

Oh no, not the China Man in Burco.

Maskeen subxanallah

Hello Lazy; This is not going no where because: 1) You have never interacted with Burka wearing women 2) You refuse to try their lifestyle for a while (walk a mile in their shoes as it wore) 3) You think they are all forced, lashed by their partners or brothers/ father 4) You question their intentions (despite the fact you can never know someone’s intention) 5) You feel they are too oppressed to speak up for themselves and even when asked directly, they will lie out of fear 6) You think the Burka is on the same level as drink driving and therefore it is for their benefit to ban it, since they don’t really want to wear it anyway. All I can say if you have created a imaginary world in your mind, where all Burka wearing women are forced or don’t know any better or lack the free will. You refuse to carry any research out in this area, instead your evidence is based on what YOU think, or the limits of your mind, that you cannot imagin for the life of you why any women will otherwise wear such garment. 1) I have and do interact with Burka wearing women, they are in my family and I went to Islamic school for 10yrs (In the UK) so many of my childhood friends wear a Niqab or Burka. 2) I go out with them as I am, we went to university together and few of them have established themselves in careers such as primary school teaching, working for external labs and data analysis. 3) They are not forced or lashed, some of them don’t even have male relatives here. 4) You have no way of knowing their intentions 5) They have a bigger mouth than you because they spend more time fighting for things they want to do because of people like you. They work that much harder than me and you because they have to proof themselves. They won’t get anywhere by being Burka wearing and timid at the same time. 6) As Burka and Drinking driving, although this obviously too ridiculous and does not need me to defend or even comment on, I will give you another example; High heels Every girl in the west has a pair, even if she never wears it, just in case. I could make the same argument as you did above for their ban, and my claim will have more credibility, medical research to back it up and few cases too. So let’s ban it because according to recent research (you can find it in many sources as it was widely published) 1) A third of women suffer permanent problems as a result of their prolonged wearing of 'killer heels', ranging from hammer toes and bunions to irreversible damage to leg tendons. 2) High heels make you raise your heel and as soon as you do that your centre of gravity is pushed forward. What happens then is you bend your lower back to compensate for this and that changes the position of your spine, putting pressure on nerves in the back. 3) This can cause sciatica, a painful condition where nerves become trapped, triggering pain and numbness as far down as the feet. Another common problem is that the Achilles tendon - which runs up the back of the leg from the heel - becomes permanently damaged. 4) Since heels shift your centre of gravity, if attacked, from behind or up front, you have more chance of losing your balance. In addition running away is difficult as you would not get far. 5) There are also basic researches about kidney problems etc, but it is not yet proven, just a small correlation. 6) As tax payers, when they seek treatment (long term, for long term problems) this puts a strain on the NHS, which we pay for (so yes its affects us) Considering the first 3 facts, and that variety of conditions from corns and calluses to hammertoes, arthritis, chronic knee pain, sprained ankles and back problems are caused by high heels, should heels be banned, or at least regulated so that women do not wear more than 2inches thick heels? Source if you to read more: Healthlink & British medical journal. P.s. You seem to have missed my early point; In islam everything is considered lawful, unless it is made unlawful If you want to make the Burka unlawful you will have to do better than these poor women are beaten in the west and need me to advocate on their behalf. Secondly you also seem to keep ignoring me when I tell you that the Burka is just someone who in their view is going the extra mile. Finally please answer this sincerely: Can you honestly say that if they wear it for religious reasons (i.e. they sincerely believe that Allah will reward them for going the extra mile and it takes them closer to Allah) that Allah will NOT accept it from them?? Remember in Islam, the precondition of any action is intention. You say Burka is NOT Islam: I keep saying to you that It is Islam if the individual thinks it takes them closer to Allah, it is Islam because it fulfils the basic 7conditions of Hijab. You agreed with me that it fulfill the characteristics of Hijab, but goes beyond and above what it is needed; Fine so be it, but since there are no laws against doing extra curriculum activities to get closer to your lord, then they are free to wear Burka, Niqab, three hijabs and gloves too. Tomorrow, today and the day after till I die I will tell you the same thing; You are going to convince anyone because you seem to think you speak for people you are so far from both physically and in ideology. Furthermore you are willing to experiment with their life, just because you seem think you know their life better than them. If you really want to see things from the other side, follow the basic line of: 1) Neutralize your position, put your ego aside 2) Consider the evidence from both sides 3) Segregate the position of those who are forced and those who make the choice on their own 4) Consider them as human beings who are intelligent and able to make their own decisions 5) Look at the options and support services they have in the west to help victims 6) Accept that there are people who out of their own decision wear the Burka/ niqab 7) Decide if you respect their position or you want to impose your own way. Follow step 1-7, waxab yaan la istaalin, at the end of it you would come to either one of: • There are some people who wear it out of choice and we’ll leave them to it • There are people who made that choice but really we know what is better for them and we’ll enforce it • These women are forced, so let’s help them break the shackles

^^Hey, what is wrong with Somali food. I'm starting to eat white washed Somali food since friday. I'm sick of it already. I need a cook book, maybe west African food or something.

^^^Looool your nuts lady, Adam never had any complaints about me. Now stop trying to create problems for us, you know absences makes the heart (I sometimes have one too) girly

Ailamos,I got it as a gift from a friend, I never finished reading it because someone took it off to read and never gave it back. From what I read, (I've not read his predictions or how these laws could be used currently); there were laws and processes in there that even I did not know. He also based his whole book on the area his wife's family lived, so I'm not sure if all the rules and processes are the same across the country. Reminds me to start asking for my books back.

@ North: I'm almost upset by that; I don't care who owes the damn thing so long as they make the same chocolates. Something tells me they are going to out source the production to india and we are going to get funny tasting chocolates. Salams people

Originally posted by LayZie G.: Ibti, good evening to you sister. "two side of the same coin" card is the only one you have left to play, which really doesn't surprise me sister but play I say. You do not object to my call for 'banning' of this said garment because it demeans women's worth but that the call to banishment is the very thing you object to. Nevermind that the said garment diminishes the worth of the woman in the social sphere or that it prevents her from taking on daily activities, such as juggling children and household chores. Unable to drive her children to school because she can't drive with the said garment while behind the wheel. She may not compete in a the corporate latter for her dream job because of discrimination. Ordinarily, it is nearly impossible to walk the same way as she would if she didn't have the extra weight, never mind that she has a child on her hips and grocery bag on the other side and holding on to the burka in fear of falling. Nevermind that she can not protect herself from a would be attacker in the middle of the night beacuse she can't see who is attacking her from behind nor can she identity her assailant from a police line up before the said garment prevents her, and so on and so on. Instead of calling for its banishment or even making an argument against banishment, you are stuck with "no one can tell me what to do", you would rather that women go on believing that it is a choice they personally made when infact thats further from the truth. Ibti believe that it is not a religious obligation for her to wear one, as say someone who just limits herself to the head cover. Instead of addressing the grievances that arise from horrific scene of a woman juggling Burka on the one hand and her weight on the other among other things, you insist that its a choice and no one should have the right to look after her interest, much less a government authority. If thats the case, why should we applaud the government authority for coming with legislation of banning drinking while driving if we won't listen to what they dictate to us citizens? Because, they know that someone who drives while under the influence of alcohol is danger to self and others and that person is not safe to drive in fear of crashing and causing an accident that would not only be harmful to him/herself but to others, thereby, outlawing drinking while driving but if we said, the heck with the government, we won't allow them to dictate what we should and shouldnt do, isn't it the same thing observing a garment and making it as a religious observance, when in fact it is neither an obligation nor a requirement for a Muslimah to wear it and instead, opt for personal choice? If every law that bans something is opposed, we wouldn't be civilized, would we now? Ladies, lets take emotion out of the equation, I know you are dying to agree with me, you just can't stand being told what to do and thats where all of your objections to this ban lies, ee admit it already and lets get a move on. Loool @ LAzy. Sister I would love to agree with you but the fact you think so little of these women really bothers me, the fact that you would put them on the same capcity as someone under the influence is beyond me walahi. I cannot decide if you are serious or just pulling my leg. Burka wearing women in the west are not as demented, stup*id or ignorant. The fact that you think a garment can automatically make someone sub-human is mind blogging. When I Ibtisam wear a Burka and a niqab do I suddenly become stu*pid and unable to make my own decisions. Your comments remind of ignorant folks who are surprise I speak English without an accent or that I have education or that I hold a position of authority. Often when I meet my patient, after having spoken to them on the phone or e-mail, the first comment they say to me is “Oh you are not at all as I imagined” is it because your own bias views won’t let you see the individual behind the garment? Have we advance so much that we associate intelligence with what they wear. As for attackers and carrying stuff, again I already mentioned it is perfectly practical, I still advise you try it for a day. I have worn it, carried my shopping, taken tube, bus and taxi. I will try to carry a child next time too. But in case I don’t buy your concern for their well being- particularly as it centres on you knowing better than them what is suitable for their practical life. A Burka wearing sister would not need to be walking about in the middle of night in hostile situation. Even I take precautions to get from A2B at night let alone a Burka wearing sister. Lastly sis, you are not smarter than this sisters who have made a different choice to you, nor are you more enlighten, nor do you know what is suitable or safe for them in their own individual life. Only they as individuals can make that decision. Now I understand if you bang you feet and make noise about women in Somalia or Taliban or any other country were they are forced to wear certain things, and I will support you. But I won’t agree or support you in “we know better” and will tell you how to dress. Or buy into, their dress sense is so dangerous for their safety like alcohol and must be banned. How can you compare it to drink driving :eek: Do you know how many deaths drink driving is responsible for in the west? I have yet to see a case where Burka was responsible for someones death in the west? :confused: No Sir, imam marasey siiadsu, so waxab ha istalin. I won't agree with you even if the cows come home unless you gave me a different reason to your objection. Yala sis, dig up another reason.

I know it should be called PAkistani school. They have yet to show a Muslim from any other culture. :rolleyes: CL Shame on you!! Watching planets of the Apes always makes me think of Johnny B :confused:

^^Adam has taken a Holiday from SOL for a while. If I remember correctly he was fighting with the Ethiopians in Wikipedia as they keep editing our stuff. :mad: Damn this thread reminds me how much I miss my cyber husband, come back safely dear.

Muslim driving school is on BBC2!! Loool haha

Lool Naden I love the way you say things. Aside from fulfilling the basic criteria, you can do what you like extra and top of that; be it cover your face or eyes or carry your shopping on your head and underneath your Hijab. On this one i agree with Layzie, because as i understand it, she is taking Islam out of the Burka and not the other way around, hence she is right on the money as we know the Burka Islamic connotation that is shoved down the throats of many Somali girls who'd think , without it , they'd be 'gaal'. Why i do disagree with Ibti, is that in my understanding she is gluing the Burka to Islam and wholly for the ehem ehem "wrong" motives, namely , that it is no-Muslims that (mostly) criticize it so i STICK to my sisters. No Johnny, Somali Muslims girls are not as ****** as you’d like to think, they do not think they will be gaal without niqab or Burka. In fact lack of hijab cannot take you out of Islam; let alone the type of hijab you wear. Stop making shid up and you are insulting the very people you claim to be defending. Muslim women are smart enough to know that they can cover the basic minimum and be an obedient servant. And no, I am not gluing the Burka to Islam for the wrong motive (i.e. So can oppose none-Muslims) I support it because they who wear it freely do so either because they just feel like it or because they think it brings the closer to Allah because they have gone the extra mile. Indeed the hijab, niqab and jilbaab are all clothing that go a little beyond the conditions. We can all wear the same thing, and we like to have options and choice in what and how we meet those Islamic requirements. I certainly don't want a man or women trying to tell me what is best for me or how I should fulfil my deen.

lol Someone sent me this already!!! LOL

lool @ This thread. Shariah rule will not work Somalia or any other place at this time without a whole new Islamicly educated, honest sincere, faithful people who apply the laws of sharia generally, fairly and across the community regardless of the circumstance. Islam as a rule of law works perfectly, we know it does because history tells us that during the time of the prophet and the four following generation it worked. The question is can the same system be replicated in today’s conditions and environment and still produce the perfect society (for its time) it once did. I think not, because there is too much corruption, dishonesty, sins and murders who have not paid for their crimes. Let’s try a different system: I’m up for the rise or Araweelo in Somalia.

No C&H eats well and is always on a diet. Get her some green leafs and grilled chicken and a bottel of water.

^^ LOOOOL @ God's gift of high-cheekbones and tribal glory. I guess they just don't look or feel it. Aliamos ha, ha ha ku nooqon the firing squad. That is why i said they are still searching for a replacement. Btw I expect a cake for taking you from an Alien to Nomad; of those 86posts, at least 50 is a response to me! so diyaari my cake in 20 posts.

Naden all the Somalis that visit us from Canada always tell us how good and nice that place is and how everyone is so kind to them. Are you serious. They already the fire squad headed by Ailamos, Ailamos had second thoughts and they are still looking for replacement.

^^ He'll be here. The train is never late. Errr Acudbika, A God using a man made invention(microphone) to let us know he is god (you brain was not even creative enough to assume if he made the world, he surely will have a way to communicate so that we can all hear) :rolleyes: CiC; Aliamos here feels too important and not bothered enough to justify his/her belief or choices in life to anyone and particularly not to Sayid; You would think that God does not care what little people like you and I think. Particularly as it is he who can punish us and we hold no power to resist. Naden join the part sis, I don't know about the moon, but sure have a lot of marks from SOL

^^I don't like that old G, his language is very flowery for an old man, and Somali bad words sound so awful Ngonge is boycotting the general section. CL please get him back.