you can not refute because you realised your argument has no leg to stand and facts don't suit your agenda: to sideline Puntland's claim. You are trying to hide behind Mogadishu's plain illegal matalaad to score a point in the Sool/Sanaag dispute with such a weak argument. You were expecting people will not read the constitution and will just take your word for it. Not with me son. I repeat at it stands No law has Puntland broke. So come up with something else to deny Puntland's territorial boundaries of Sool and Sanaag and Cayn.

Yes I agree. 30 years of surprises and brilliant political moves has made Somaliland an internationally recognised, prosperous and militarily strong country.

Blah Blah . You can't refute my argument point by point so you have to waffle right? I have seen other secessionist too, you flip flip from one thing to another when your lies are exposed. You are going from Puntland broke the constitution to you are the only this that. We can argue the reasoning of Puntland claiming clan borders another day if you want but stick to the topic. I repeat myself again, read the whole article 49. The constitution deferred so many decisions such as the status of the capital, the number of states, the boundaries the states shall have, for the parliament (the two houses) to set up a committee that shall make recommendations and submit it to parliament based on their findings, then parliament can then accept or reject. At stands, no boundaries committee exist that made recommendations and no parliament ever ratified any such bill. Therefore, there is no law that Puntland could break as it never existed. The article 49 in English speaks in the future tense "shall" so is the Somali version here: https://unpos.unmissions.org/sites/default/files/old_dnn/120913 Somali Federal Constitution (Final Somali version).pdf You ask: What is the constitutional basis for Puntland's claimed clan borders? It was always based on Puntland's constitution which predates the federal constitution. Puntland constitution was written in 1998, and claims five regions Mudug, Nugal, Bari, Sool, Sanaag and district of Buhodle. My guess is Buhodle district might be rejected by the Boundary committee but the rest can pass. I also think Puntland will campaign to change article 49 (5) to keep Buhodle as part of it's boundaries.

Yeah man!! I am worried about that Taiwanese base of yours. I have prepared my family to evacuate, please have a mercy for the little enclave to your east

Labo qaawan is ma qaado

I am sorry to say that your argument is flawed and childish. First of all, you are equating a claim by a state to the country's legislature adding or changing an article in the constitition without the due process. Your comparison would have been fair and right if Puntland put forward a bill in the upper house stating it's boundaries as half of Mudug, 2/3 of Sanaag so on and forth and getting it voted on by the half of the senators present regardless what the constitution say. So my friend your argument does not hold water and you are just trying to sideline Puntland's claim of Sool & Sanaag. Secondy, Puntland's constitution states that it comprises the five regions of Mudug, Nugaal, Bari, Sool, Sanaag and the district of Buhodle. It does not define boundaries and left that out. So only Buhodle would satisfy your flawed argument. Finally, The (1) & "(2) of article 49, which precede Number (5 ) of the same article 49 you quoted there state that: (1) The number and boundaries of the Federal Member States shall be determined by the House of the People of the Federal Parliament. (2) The House of the People of the Federal Parliament, before determining the number and boundaries of the Federal Member States, shall nominate a national commission which shall study the issue, and submit a report of its findings with recommendations to the House of the People of the Federal Parliament. Therefore accordingly, the boundaries of the Dowlad Goboleeds are not yet determined and hence whatever claims or contra claims by the said states are not final until the Boundaries Commision submits its recommendations to both houses of the parliament and both of them pass them with majority. So, all states including Puntland's boundaries await to Boundaries Commision to define them according how the constitution stipulates i.e Number (5) of article 49 that you quoted there: (5) Federal Member State boundaries shall be based on the boundaries of the administrative regions as they existed before 1991. Number (1) & (2) set the foundation of (5) and it is intended for the commision to base their findings and reccomdations on the basis of this law and the parliament to debate and pass on those basis. So when you read the constitution read the whole article and not bits and pieces that suit you.

That will be a disaster. Don't play with Indhoyar, they are bloody sensitive and vengful animals. I would not surprise if Puntland is writing a diplomatic letters to China warning them about this danger

I am not a fan of CC but I got to give to the man he is an excellent orator and one of few Somali politicians that I have seen can put forward a very convincing argument. I am afraid he is right on the money on this occassion. Mogadishu needs maqaam (status) and not a matalaad at the moment. You see the whole point of the upper house is to represent the regional states, so the reason why it's representation has been delayed is because constitution left out its status to be dealt at the later date? A later date which has never come because each new government want to have Benadir adminstration it can dicatate to and appoint the officials as they wished.

Our president handed over a Somali citizen to an enemy country and many people think he committed a treason and call him a traitor. So should we not listen to his point of view because of the stinging accusations against him.

You seem to be obsessed with the pirates. Stop the hatred and cuqdad man. Politics is a game and people will not always see things the same way. The reason you are crying is because you want Beeshaada to have their way and sadbursi, the others want the opposite. Puntland is basing its debate on the constitution, make your case and put it forward, stop with name calling and threats. In somalia no tribe or group can have their way but the only way is through negotiations and convincing each other.

If the parliament passes a law that is against the constitution, it is null and void. And that is what this bill is. No president or any one else is above the constitution.

Maxaa laguu qabsanaa? As it is now it is the other side a.k.a Beelaha Galgaduud iyo Shabelle Dhexe that seem to want Sadbursi. Somalis agreed on a system however unfair or fair you might perceive and if they were to change, the whole system need to be looked at but running away with one issue through the back dooor is not going to solve anything. If you have grievance about current system then let everyone come to the table and their grievances looked at also. Blaming Reer Puntland on Sadbursi when that is exactly what you want wont cut it my friend.

Your sarcsm is noted. But I believe if there is one thing or two the separatist in the North can teach Villa Somalia is how to delay, cancel, prolong extenstion it is the election. When was the last time Somliland parliament and Guurti were elected again?

What is going to change in 9/13 months? Not much.

OK sir, I will let you have the last say

You know election is closing in when people drum up tribal emotions. Politicians, MPs want to come back so they have to show their clan constituents that they are fighting for them regardless whether what they are doing is legal or illegal. Banadir representation is a tool being pursued by some quarters. In reality these know that legally the passing of Benadir representation motion is just a parliamentary gesture and not a binding one. The constitution says that: the number of senators will be 54 senators. You have to change the constitution inorder for the parliament bill to be legal and binding. That is hard to do as they will need 2 thirds of parliament to vote for change of any article in the constitution. Hence, this shortcut.

Jeesoow, speaks for Xamar, Kismayo and Beledwayne. Does he think all these belong to his clan. He seems to have hatred for certain clans. Ahmed Madoobe came about illegal way so did Lafta Gareen, So did Qoor Qoor. Let us call spade a spade! Farmajo if he had his way would have stalledhis man there by hook or crook!! All in all there is nothing better than keeping things to the books esecially if you are the president so you can be an example for others.

Kkkkkkkk if waffling was olympic contest surely you have wone it Mr Timacade. Muran should be your name. Let me educate you again just for the sake of it, when Somaliland captured Tukaraq, it was a customs checkpoint guarded by dozens of soldiers. There was no activie hostility and there has not been any clashes for long time between the two, so Somaliland militias attacked in numbers and easily brushed aside the few Puntland soldiers that were there without much casualties. Got that bit? The real war started when Puntland regrouped and attacked. The war went on for days and months and eventually the UN inetervened with some success. That is the war I am going talking about. Did Somaliland win in that war and how? Did Puntland win that war and how? The frontlines for both sides are still the same. The casulaties for both were many and costly. I see you are still hallucinating. If you think you have mighty army and you think you achieve things by your guns, we will see. The ICG who are not Somali say you don't have much better army or equipment than Puntland but somehow your hallucinations should be taken as facts. Anyways let's leave it there, it is pointless urgument. Tara.

Good to see them sorting out their trivial differences and working for the greater good. Somalis follow personalities and not the system. We need to espect the system because personalities come and go.

Horta calm down you seem bit emotional. If you take emotions out of the way, only then you can be realistic with your urgument. I need to educate you about something. Under Siyad Barre's government, Somalia had 18 regions and one of thos regions was called "Togdheer", Districts that included Burco and Buhodle towns. So in 1998, Puntland claimed Buhodle under it's territory and recognized it as a region named "Cayn", where in turn Somaliland recognized it as a region called Buhodle (Same name as the town itself). So that is where your confusion lie, the Buhodle that they are referring in the video is the regional name. You can clearly see all your videos are shot in some Baadiye place not the town. So if you are saying that there are some clan militias that are aligned with Somaliland that are somewhere in what Somaliland calls Buhodle region, then you are right. But I am also right that Puntland or militias aligned with them control the town as per the videos (You say the videos are old, 7/8 months old?). And if you look back, there is no where I said Puntland controls all SSC land, but I presented facts of towns where Puntland is present per your request. So I don't know what you are protesting about. About your " Do you honestly think that if Somaliland really wanted to overrun Buuhoodle, a small town of less than 30k people, they couldn't do so? ". I like your bravado, but the reality is all the places Somaliland captured, did so with the support of the local clan militias and when clans are against them as the case is Buhodle town folks, there is no way they can capture. It is not Somaliland did not try to capture Buhodle by force before. In 2012 during SSC Jamhad formation, Somaliland captured the town in the early hours of January 24th, but they have been driven out by noun, just after couple hours of fighting in the town. See below news at the time. Rasaasa News – Ciimada Maamulka Somaliland oo Khasaare Xoog leh Loogu Gaystay Degmada Buuhoodle RASAASA.COM Also, with Alshabab remarks, your bravado continues as though due to your might some how you immune to Alshabab. I don't know how to deal with your naivity or shall I say ignorance. Alshabab like other terrorist organisations deploy strategy and tactics in their quest to capture the whole of Somalia. Of course, they do undertake opportunitic, revenge and show of strength attacks some times like those in Hargaisa years ago, but their main strategy is to target areas where they can be effevtive logisticly and achieve maximum benefit for their goals i.e Taking over the country and imlementing their version of Islam. Somaliland is too far for them and it is too hard for them to deploy men and resources especially when they don't have local support and depend on bringing people from the South. They are targeting Bari region of Puntland because they know they can survive in those long mountainous terrain that are hard for conventional army to fight. You see they don't target Mudug or Nugal because they know they can not withstand the onslaught in those regions if they tried which they did in 2015 and rest is history. With regards to Somalia army, I sense some dishonesty in you, when you say Alshabab control parties of Mogadishu. Really? Alshabab are losing new towns and territory in the deep South everyday and it is a matter of when not if they will be wiped out whole Somalia and by the looks of things it will happen sooner. May be you are not up to date with things in the south and you are hallucinating in your own empty bravado and illusions, but I am always happy to educate you my friend. About Tukaraq, I don't know what you are on about here. How can it be conclusive when both sides are still at their front lines from the moment the war started? I am not disputing Somaliland captured Tukaraq unexpectedly with the help of local militias led by "Ina Cambaanshe", but the war that raged after that was firerce and bloody for both sides and none of them was able to push the other side to day. As we speak both sides are amassing troops there and war can break. That is why I am saying, it is pointless as none will win but will cause death destructions. So you should agree with me that they should stop fighting and come on the negotiating table as two equal entities and you should stop this meaningless threats and empty bravado. Here is ICG (International Crisis Group) saying the same thing I am saying: "Indeed, the two sides’ public statements suggest both are confident in a quick military win. They are likely miscalculating. Their militaries are almost equally matched in combat strength, equipment and experience so risk getting bogged down in a protracted conflict with enormous costs (perhaps Somaliland has a slight edge but unlikely enough of one for a decisive victory): ICG. Averting War in Northern Somalia WWW.CRISISGROUP.ORG A dispute between Puntland and Somaliland over the contested areas of Sool and Sanaag risks escalating into open war. The UN, supported by states with influence on the two sides, should renew diplomatic...

Again none of that videos are in Buhodle for the second time my friend. I am not refusing that the SSC are divided on sub clan level, and there are some clans that are with Somaliland due to the sub clan rivalry not out of convictions. They then switch sides when allegiance change again. But those that are in Buhodle are the most hard hearded ones and they have never allowed Somaliland incursions. Somaliland entered the town once by force and within hours they have been chased out. Somaliland captured Tukaraqa unexpectedly. That is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the war that ensued there after. It is true Puntland did not take back Tukaraq but the war was fierce and both sides suffered heavy casualties. By the way I am not here, to belittle Somaliland but just pointing out that if you stop these grandeor claims you might save lives and create peace in the region. About Alshabab: It is not that Alshabab are an army that you can see. They are just individuals hiding between society and commiting crimes, so you can not fight them in the conventional way. Similar way, USA, UK can not stop terror incidents now and then when they are more powerful than these entities you mentioned. Why not Somaliland: strategically and tactically it easier for them to deal with Puntland first before they move on to Somaliland due to the proximity to their headquarters in the South, also due to the Bosaso, a strategic town that are accessible from the Golis mountains, a good hiding place. Somali army has been weak over the years, but believe me things are changing and even yourself if you honest can accept that things have changed for better and there are more changes to come in the next months. Watch this space.

Man, you have Indho adayg for sure. The videos that you presented are not in Buhodle. The ones I showed you are actually in Buhodle itself. You are the one who asked me to show you any evidence of Puntland presence in any of the towns I mentioned and I did. So now I don't what you are waffling about. About Puntland and why they are not retaking Lasanod, as I said before, they are as weak as Somaliland and the two are playing a game of a chess of who will blink first or second. That is why I am saying to you, don't be fooled, the only way out is the two to come over the negoatiating table and not to cause many more deaths and destructions for Somali mothers and fathers. The fighting in Tukaraq raged for months and left hundreds of young people dead and many more injured and for what? None of them moved the other an inch!!!!

Good job Qoor Qoor, sort of man Somalia needs. Negotiation, negotiation is the way

I admire your honesty, at least you admitting something. For the record, as of last September the whole of what the seccessionist call Sanaag Bari is fully controlled by Puntland after the clan militias on the payroll of Somaliland completely swiched sides, hence why the Puntland commander is touring Xingalool, Bdhan area. Also here below the Puntland minster of internal affairs overseeing election of Buhotle local authority just last October 2019. By the way he is a boy fom Gaalkacyo: Here again another Puntland delegation being welcomed in Buhodle Sepptember 2019: Here again Puntland army celebrating the 21st anniversary of Puntland August 2019. Do you still want more my Brother:

Here Puntland Commander touring his men in Sanaag: Puntland Military Chief Continues Offensive in Eastern Sanaag, Somaliland Vows Fitting Response - SomTribune WWW.SOMTRIBUNE.COM Major General Yassin Momar Dheere, the Chief Commander of the Puntland Dervishes (army) is into his third day of tours in Eastern Sanaag, Somaliland, areas.