uchi;804791 wrote: I don't understand why we are comparing Mogadishu to other towns/Cities~ it's too far ahead to be reached by any other town in Somalia. One possible contender, surprising though it may be, is the city of Berbera. Although Berbera has been Berbera like Mogadishu has all the ingredients there. A large semi-modern deep-sea port; the longest runway on the African continent; historical areas and buildings; a beach. It has more paved roads (# of roads, not length) than any other northern city - I can confirm this. It is ideal for factories and other such investments. Unfortunately it has not received the investment mainly because of the heat. though lately it has been receiving a lot of attention. In any case, it will be cheaper to develop Berbera than it will be to bring Hargeisa up to standard. I could easily say that though Hergeisa is more populated, Berbera has much, much better infrastructure - they are not even on the same level. All it needs is cobble-stone paving of side-streets, suuqs etc. So IMO 1 = Mogadishu 2 = Berbera 3= Probably/Potentially Kismaayo IF it receives the same level of investment as Mogadishu (which I doubt). No surprise they are all port-cities.

Che -Guevara;804719 wrote: ^Somehow Sanaag looks like empty wasteland, least developed even by Somali standard. It is not so bad IMO. If you look at the place I see none of those aqal-somali-esque buulal that the urban poor live in. This is like any other large Somali city but on a smaller scale. The place needs a few tweeks no doubt, as i've outlined in my other post above.

I'm in love with Hadaaftimo... beautiful little village. Let's hope its kept that way and the character of the place is not destroyed.

Beautiful town in an amzing location ! It seems well-planned and has a good layout. To my surprise the buildings and structures look very good and are in keeping with both the surroundings and eachother - and their subtle designs are not the hideous stuff we have come across before. All in all, very nice. all the place needs now is: - Cobblestone (cut from the nearby rocks) paving of the streets, public areas and market. - Reliable electricity, if the town does not have it already. - A reliable water supply to which all the houses are connected. - A few small factories etc. to employ the locals. Then we are good to go

Dr_Osman;804753 wrote: we all know where the largest church was located in somalia mogadishu, wax lagu faano miyaa waxaas? you should faan about what your fathers did not what someone else fathers did your father lol!!!! I faan about saldanadayda because its my fathers and grandfathers I think you'll find that Mogadihu is an ancient city - has been a city-state since before the 10th century

I would like to name one city outright, but unfortunately none of them are 'developed'. Having said that, I think Mogadishu is by far, or certainly has the most potential to become (in a comparatively short period of time), the most developed city in Somalia. It is/was the capital and as such received a lot of investment. It has the structures and ingredients there. Soon all the major roads in the city will be re-paved. Its airport will receive investment. The deep-sea port is there as well. It has the population/political/economic base; the neccesary basic layout/planning. It will be easier and cheaper to re-build this city than it will be to bring, say Hargeisa or even Boosaaso, up to the same level.

Bluelicious;804570 wrote: Let's get out of this cranky old man's thread who thinks his sahara thread is all that when it's not. Bring up the " Interview with Bluelicious '' thread you can talk over there. Thats right... take 'this' to your luuq

^ Can you two take your shenanigans into the domain of the PM facility. No need to waste a potentially good topic. Cherio.

Great topic Archdemos! Kudos to you. We need more of these type of productive topics, rather than the regressive cyber-conflicts (over villages and bush) people here love to perpetuate.

grasshopper;726120 wrote: No need to have tunnel vision in Somalia's development. Well said.

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WHAT IS THAT BUILDING... IS IT A CASTLE, fort ????????? very intriguing.

Rio de Janeiro

Che -Guevara;804454 wrote: It's not really superpower. Its opposition are simply disunited and unorganized. If 4 million dedicated Woyanes can overthrew Derg, others could do too. It is not a superpower at all. It relies entirely on external sources to keep it going, it has no private sector whatsoever, its exports amount to ~2bn per year. I was reading about munitions factories and other military manufacturing the regime has been investing in. Very interesting.

Abdul;804451 wrote: I meant to say Ethiopian side. yh

Carafaat;804200 wrote: I was present during the tacsi in Borama city . AUN Nice try... suffice to say though, many Somali cities have lost youth in the high seas.

nuune;804378 wrote: Eritrea too has the backing of all Arab nations, and the backing of the fierce enemy, Israel . Israel :confused: I would have thought Israel has an interest in supporting Ethiopia as a tool to pressure Egypt (when needed). That is why the Israeli foreign minister has been touring all the countries upstream from Egypt.

Alpha Blondy;803975 wrote: this story reminds me off a little arabic folktale, an abusive xamari quranic teacher told me when i was like 6 years old at al hijra mosque in north london, before the area was relatively clean of the parasites. it goes like this, not sure if i'm telling it correctly; a few sheep-herding brothers go into a cave then sleep.... only to wake up like 300 years later loooooooooooool. That is an ayat in the quran if I remember correctly. Where they slept for an unknown period of time in a cave.

Yes my Somalis, break into a thousand pieces, then fight each-other for sub-sub-sub clan "borders" and "states", walk right into dabinta qaybi oo xukun. That is how we will achieve danta guud iyo horumar - let's break into a thousand pieces !

It reminds me of when many, including around 40 youngsters from my home-town, including some family members, pregnant women, perished trying to cross the seas. AUN

^ THIS was on the BBC SOmali yesterday apparently. Not to get your hopes up but there is some dispute about exactly how many years these people were held captive (some are saying that it was less than 18). Inshallah your counsin will be found in any case.

http://boramanews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2528&catid=66&Itemid=117

Gabay Somali oo wadani ah. Courtesy and credit to Ijaabo Aadan Weyrax. She is the one who composed this poem - a true Somali lady (who lives in Cairo Egypt). "Maansodaydan bilan, oo baawarkeedo wacanya, oo aan boow seego ahayn, ayaan soo bandhigayaa, barbaaryahay dhamaantiin, bulshoyahay dhegaha fura. Baaqa kaleeto(/kale) oo aan soo bandhigayaa, Barbaartii dalkeena, waxbarasho la'i iyo, baahi shaqo la'aan, buntuqay ka carareen, baduu laashku kula degaa! Burburkaas waxa na baday, waa belo qabyaalad ee, ana taa umaan bogin. Boqorkii na uuntiyo, baaqa keligii noolaha, Alle' ayaan baryayaa, burburkaa na haystiyo. inuu belada reeboow, bilicdii dalkeeniyo, noo biiso nabadii, amiin ta badiyoo, bismilaahi wada dheha. Baaqa kaleeto oo aan soo bandhigayaa, dekadii bilnayd iyo, burbur eeriboodhkii, bilicdii magaalada, qashin baa bayaxan oo, burbure daarihii beled, Booli qaran agteed iyo, badhtanka ceelgaab, bisadahaa nexh jiifoo, eeyaha butaamoo, waraabaha ku baacsan oo, Burburkaas waxa na baday, waa belo qabyaalad ee, ana taa umaan bogin. Baaqa kaleeto(/kale) oo aan soo bandhigayaa, baabuurkii ka baxa meel, bartii uu u socday, kuma gaadho badbaad oo, burcad baa jidka u geli, baas iyo qori ku furi, baa'bi'in dadkii qaar, baaqigii ka soo hadha, ma badbaadinaa yaan, biilkay siteen iyo, boorsaday ka qaataan, burburkaas waxa na baday, waa belo qabyaalad ee, ana taa umaan bogin. Baaqa kaleeto(/kale) oo aan soo bandhigayaa, buktada iyo dhaawaca, barin lagu daaweeyi'yo, baro caafimaad ma leh, bukto iyo dhibaatuu, dadkeeni la baa'ba'ay, dhkhtarkii u soo baxa, badbaadi dadkaago, bulshdaada wax u qabo, beryo markaanu ku raysano, badaw aan wax garaneyn, aya baas ku furoo, waa beesha reer hebel, ayaa loo bireeyaa, burburkaas waxa na baday, waa belo qabyaalad ee, ana taa umaan bogin. Baaqa kaleeto(/kale) oo aan soo bandhigayaa, raga belo ku faankoow, su'aal baaxad weyn baan, idiin soo bandhigayaa, baasuuka la dhacayoo, barbaartan la laynayiyo, sedka hadaan la ii badin, nabada waan ka baxayaa, baasiin dab lagu shido, baa'ba'u ma shraf baa ? beladu ma guul baa ? ma baa'ba'do taariikh, dalka aad burburiseen, bulshada aad dhameyseen, baaqigii ka soo hadha, hadhoow baal madoow bay, idin ka soo bandhigi oo, bulshadaa idin eedayn, beena maaha hadalkaasi, raga belo-ku-faanka ah, "boqolaal anaa dillay, anaa ka sii badan", ku baryaa shisheeyaha, burbur dalkaago, barbaartaada soo laa, baaruuda qaraxdiyo, lagu siiyo beesada, badaw aan damiir lahayn, burburiyay dalkeeni, Idiin baaqay anigu ee, baaqiga inaga hadhay, baa'bah yaysan inaga dhigin, abwaan baxan siduu yidhi, badnaan hadal wax kuma taro, tixda waan ka baxayaa, biyadhaca warkaygiyo, baaqaygu waa nabad, boqor iyo aqoonyahan, somaaliyeey baraaruga, dhalinyaray is biirsada. culimdoow wacdiga badi, hooyooyaaloow soo baxa, waa belo qabyaalad ee, badweyntaa ku rida oow, buntuqa iyo qoriga dhiga, buuga iyo qalinka qaata, sidii beriga leegaha, xumaha oo aan ka baydhnaa, nabada oo aan u baaqnaa, baryadii Alle iyo, balanteenu waa guul. Ku baryay ee Allahayo, Ku baroortay Eebow, Boqoroow Alahayoow, bashar kulama simi karo, ma beylihin ruuxii, xaqqah kugu barya yoow, ma badbaadoo ruuxii, aadan daryeelin adigu ee, boqoroow ku tuugayee. baryadayda iga yeel, Boqoroow Allahayoow, beeshayda kala maqan. baalaha aduunyada, beehdoowdu wada taal, badda laashku kula degay, saxara ku baa'ba'ay, Boqoroow Allahayoow, isu baadi goob oow, ka baa'bi'i xumaantoo, meel barwaaqo ah, barqadii isugu keen. barbaartuna ciyaaraan. AAMIIN AAMIIN AAMIIIN !!!

That is very, very powerful gabay; dare-I-say almost reminiscent of Suldaan Timacadee. Manshallah Ilaahay kheyrkii ayada iyo inaga ba ha ina siiyo.