^ Just hope he is a true visionary who actually has a strategy on getting Somalia out of it's current situation and isn't influenced by nor entertains clan politics.

Abu-Salman;862638 wrote: Norf come try this new local restaurant (collective iftars too at the mosque). Or taste the beer/kalyo quraac this wk end. So no footie at sc Maybe when I'm there again next week saxib. JB, telefoonku inuu 24 hrs dhaco ma fiicnaa.

Afternoon all. Started to fast my 6 Shawaal today. Durba waan liitaa.

Garnaqsi;862136 wrote: If you can give me a single commentary or translation of the Koran (from, let's say, the first ten -- yes, that's right TEN -- centuries it was around) that matches the Mohammed Assad translation you have provided above, I'll hand it to you. I assume it won't be hard? I doubt there are any available English translations by Muslims before Pickthall. If you have any provide a link. We can always research what the Arabic word means

Did you read what I wrote? You're relying on translations to make your point. Translations! Considering there are so many over so long which ones are right? Furthermore, what translations do you have available prior to the above list?

I already stated why your argument is futile. The notion that interpretations of the Quran and Tafsirs were changed post scientific discovery is wide of the mark (do you have any evidence?). The complexities of the language mean that any translation can only be an approximate interpretation. In the case of 51:47 you have: Sahih International: And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander (1997). Pickthall: We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof) (1930). Yusuf Ali: With power and skill did We construct the Firmament: for it is We Who create the vastness of pace (1951). Arberry: And heaven -- We built it with might, and We extend it wide (1955). Mohammed Asad: AND IT IS We who have built the universe with [Our creative] power; and, verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it (1980). Which is the right translation for the verse and does ‘muusicuunaa’ mean 'we expand it/expanding it'? Oh, you don’t know

Its one thing to have already rejected what Ibn Kathir is summarising but its quite another to use it to make a point (a futile one at that)

^Isfasax

^Think Ngonge is already at lunch Afternoon all.

Shawaal is upon us. It will be easier to fast on Mondays and Thursdays now as well as the time for maqrib is earlier each day. The scientific findings on fasting are all well and good but your intention should be to seek repentence. The benefits to the body etc is a plus.

Edit @Ngonge You're the new Columbo miya?

^ As long as he hasn't changed from another team like just about every Arsenal and Chelsea fan its fine. BR got it tactically spot on yesterday. Should have won that.

Garnaqsi;860500 wrote: Is that a cry for help? Just highlighting the futility of basing a whole argument on another's interpretation of a vast and complex language. Especially when the opposite can just as easily be drawn using the same sources (interpretations of the Quran and Ibn Kathir's tafsir).

NGONGE;859804 wrote: Tonight's game is on ITV 4 so don't go driving yourself mad trying to find it on SKY or ESPN. Sky iyo ESPN baabad ka hadlaysaa'e ITV4 isn't even on my Freeview

Good game last night. Ng, what does Torres scoring have to do with us playing tonight?

^Thats the street type of self worth (and I know how it influences many a kid) but I meant the home Somali/Muslim type of self worth. Again, this falls on the parents' positive influences especially at that critical but short period between the teens and adulthood.

NGONGE;859783 wrote: That's the last thing they need. It's the "sense of worth" that gets them to fight and kill each other. Still, considering the alleged killer is already a criminal, it is not much of a story really (despite the sad death). self worth = don't get involved with gangs, drugs (maintain the family name etc) and dont chew (at least not in a merfish where trouble isn't too far away).

:D Add laxoox iyo kimis to the list.

Bariiska iyo baastada ha la iska yareeyo.

Ilaahay ha u naxaristo the kid. What these kids need is a sense of worth.

lol

^I recently signed up. Still figuring out whats going on

^why? have you GAINED weight?

Its catching on

^ Is this twitter thing worth it JB?