Anti Federalist Are Spoilers

[galbeedi]

Xaaji, arintu markaa markaa You need strong leader who could take over the South Central Somalia and make his own rules. Or why don't we get the job, we have 20,000 strong army in Somaliland, puntland has another Five thousand. These well disciplined army can secure the country. We ask the united nation to pay $1500 dollars they are paying for Unisom to go our boys.

 

We could do better than the Djiboutians and Ugandhans.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Puntland might have give it another shot, if the President of Somalia, but they will never waste or resources on a president who is not from Puntland ,During Colonel Yey , Colonel Yey took 10.000 Puntland forces with him, to give a boost to the existing Ethiopian forces.

Somaliland would consider sending troops but what will it gain in return, a UN supervised referendum on independence for Somaliland to be held in the country. In exchange for Somaliland military support i think Somaliland would consider stabilizing Somalia, its afterall our sons and daughters that are being send to a war torn country.

[galbeedi]

Xaaji, rather than constant negotiations which does not produce any thing with both sides, why not Somaliland take over the south. It is a long shot, but it is not impossible. During Shariif Ahmed's rule, a wise man from Somaliland said: the current president " Kursi Dhiigle Ayuu Ku Fadhiyaa, Haddaad Tidhaahdo Waar waakii lixdankii calanka kuunfur la geeyee, Maanta nin Rag ah iska dhig oo Hargeisa ka geg, oo waxaad tidhaa dalkii ayaan sidaaye bal si nuun waxyeela". Kaa yeeli maayo oo waxuu u malaynayaa in uu wax luminayo. Instead of asking, power must be taken from the southern leaders. Tell me, who can challenge a northern president with a strong base, thriving economy, direct cash from the Somaliland treasury and 20,000 soldiers. These southern political leaders have no moral authority to hinder his mission. Waar labaatan sanadood ayaad wax keeni waydeene ha i hor joogsanina ayuu dhihi. He won't have to debate about so called gobols from Jubba to bay and hiiraan. he will enforce order first.Xaaji think as a the owner these land.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Galbeedi its an adventure with no real prospect of gaining the ultimate goal , Galbeedi ur viewing the Koonfurians like the Somalilanders. The Elites of Somalia cannot think rationally in 1960 the Koonfurians were still messed up but back than the Qiiro of Somali nationalism overshadowed their maffia culture. The Koonfurians will never say they are wrong or compromise for the larger good , they are fine with the current status though the situation is terrible aloore beesadi aawaay bay ku hayaan. Even if you said lets move the capital to Hargeisa, the southerns will go mental and will detonate themselves.. Nimankan sidaan bay uga badisa inay mashaaricda dhuuqaan yidhahan na dawlad Somalia baanu nahay hogaga ugaandhiska na ku dhuuntaan. And Somaliland will never sacrifice a single Sl daughter or young man , not even if the Europeans pay the SL soldiers triple what the Ugandans get. The SNM tried to reason with them in 1991 and waxay ka dhamaan wayeen moos iyo babay baanu qabna umad cunta uun ka sheekeneyaa. If the Koonfurians sacrifice for the union the same thing the SL elites in the 1950s did the people of Somaliland way isku noqon lahayeen oo waxay odhan lahayeen fair enough , but we know they will never markaas tabtooda ha ku jiraan and the Somalilanders will watch them from a distance.

[xabad]

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Xaaji, rather than constant negotiations which does not produce any thing with both sides, why not Somaliland take over the south. It is a long shot, but it is not impossible. During Shariif Ahmed's rule, a wise man from Somaliland said: the current president " Kursi Dhiigle Ayuu Ku Fadhiyaa, Haddaad Tidhaahdo Waar waakii lixdankii calanka kuunfur la geeyee, Maanta nin Rag ah iska dhig oo Hargeisa ka geg, oo waxaad tidhaa dalkii ayaan sidaaye bal si nuun waxyeela". Kaa yeeli maayo oo waxuu u malaynayaa in uu wax luminayo. Instead of asking, power must be taken from the southern leaders. Tell me, who can challenge a northern president with a strong base, thriving economy, direct cash from the Somaliland treasury and 20,000 soldiers. These southern political leaders have no moral authority to hinder his mission. Waar labaatan sanadood ayaad wax keeni waydeene ha i hor joogsanina ayuu dhihi. He won't have to debate about so called gobols from Jubba to bay and hiiraan. he will enforce order first.Xaaji think as a the owner these land.

 

Galbeedi, you know that somali saying " habar fadhisa lagdani la fududa". you make it look so effortless as if SL is more powerful than amisom or unisom before it or the ethiopians and their various somali allies ??

 

Tan labaad why are you discounting the political culture of the landers, who are parochial, unambitious and self centered. you guys are full of fantasy and khiyaal though. its one your chief characteristics as a clan.

[CidanSultan]

Opening Pandora's box with regards to the south. I have to agree with the xaji these people do not share the same mindset, culture or vision. Colonialism under the Italians severely crippled the original culture and all you have left is mafia talk, fake nationalism to steal money and resources and a culture that is not conducive to nationhood or state building.

 

It's better to observe from a distance and secure, strengthen and empower Somaliland.

 

Federalism will never work in Somalia. Somaliland is no longer part of Somalia even without recognition everything is different in every sense. As for the rest, mugdisho will not support federalism because its contrary to its interests be it written in the constitution or otherwise.

 

Mugdisho although unable to control a single block will put back any talk of federalism because they know somaliland does not care for Somalia. Federalism was a ploy to entice somaliland into union. Clearly we all understand that with or without recognition somaliland is gone.

 

It takes with it sool and Sanag leaving puntland with Bari nugaal and half of Galkacyo which can be a federal region of Somalia but a weak one at best. The port has dried up and no farming or oil or minerals. The south I forsee very little chance of stability anytime soon.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

xabad there is no point to feel ambitious about Somalia, there is nothing there really a broken country... and politicians of Somalia wanting to carve their own states and than subcontract it under kenya or ethiopia and religious zealots running in between and Turks feeding the children and the woman, there is nothing there. Somalilanders have enough land, and if they want some more land they can always move into hawassa.

[galbeedi]

I agree Xaaji, I yet have to see one single southern politician sacrificing any thing for the common good.

[xabad]

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xabad there is no point to feel ambitious about Somalia, there is nothing there really a broken country... and politicians of Somalia wanting to carve their own states and than subcontract it under kenya or ethiopia and religious zealots running in between and Turks feeding the children and the woman, there is nothing there. Somalilanders have enough land, and if they want some more land they can always move into hawassa.

 

you have big mouths as i said and brag a lot. konfuur bla bla you can keep repeating it till the cows come home, your still a shitty desert tuulo without recognition with impoverished clans at others throats. there is absolutely nothing you've achieved. by many counts i think your behind other somali clans. worst of all you still have gigantic mental chip and inferiority complex almost 30 yr after the dictatorship was overthrown. when will you be cured ??

 

i don't need to be a psychologist to figure out that you're a pathetic failure in real life whose looking for validation in imaginary clan achievement. adeer ka kac meesha.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

I never mentioned siad bare in this topic we were mostly discussing post siad bare somalia , and tribal federalism and how Somalia is ruined by the people and the elite of Somalia , if you are going to cry about the facts than that is ur problem. We are not discussing SL , but Somaliland is doing good despite the challenges its people are spared the humiliation, not because the peasants in SL are better than those in Somalia. But the elites of somaliland are far more intelligent, than their koonfurian counterpart , they are politically socially and democratically far more advanced the legacies of the 2 countries post siad bare is our witness. How ever i dont think siad bare was all to bad i believe he was a very smart man but made some serious errors in his last era of the reign , he did great the first 10 years in self sufficiency for the country and political independence and economic independence socialism was really working and the country was moving forward. U act as if Somaliland lacks of recognition is their fault ama wax la isku cayo. Somalilanders have changed their situation despite the world wants to attach it to the dead corpse of Somalia. Somalia is recognized what do they have to show far , other than hiding in Ugandan barracks and begging for aid. U have no morality to criticize Somaliland tisa daryeela aderow somalida tira tu kala dara.

[xabad]

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@Xaaji Xunjuf

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I never mentioned siad bare in this topic we were mostly discussing post siad bare somalia , and tribal federalism and how Somalia is ruined by the people and the elite of Somalia , if you are going to cry about the facts than that is ur problem. We are not discussing SL , but Somaliland is doing good despite the challenges its people are spared the humiliation, not because the peasants in SL are better than those in Somalia. But the elites of somaliland are far more intelligent, than their koonfurian counterpart , they are politically socially and democratically far more advanced the legacies of the 2 countries post siad bare is our witness. How ever i dont think siad bare was all to bad i believe he was a very smart man but made some serious errors in his last era of the reign , he did great the first 10 years in self sufficiency for the country and political independence and economic independence socialism was really working and the country was moving forward. U act as if Somaliland lacks of recognition is their fault ama wax la isku cayo. Somalilanders have changed their situation despite the world wants to attach it to the dead corpse of Somalia. Somalia is recognized what do they have to show far , other than hiding in Ugandan barracks and begging for aid. U have no morality to criticize Somaliland tisa daryeela aderow somalida tira tu kala dara.

 

I hereby officially pronounce you as " clinically insane ". I'm sure you chained to a bed somewhere in Hargeisa as you too much free time. bye bye.

[gooni]

Soomaaliya federal wuu ka shaqayn waaya,y diin lagu xukumana way ka shaqayn weday, kaligii talisnimana way ka shaqayn weyday, dagaal ooge wuu ka shaqayn waayay, buraanbur iyo wacyi gelin way socon weday, aqoonsi doon dartiis qabow waa la jaraynay.

 

Aragtidayda gaaban waxaan weli laysku dayin in dadka qurbaha ku nool midoobaan khaasatan reer galbeedka, madaxweyne aan afsoomaali ku hadlin naloosoo diro iyo turjumaankiisa nala tuso in soomaaliya lagu noolaan karo dhalinyarada loo sheego in wadankaan macdan xoolo iyo bad iyo beero leeyahay dibna loosoo noqdo adinkoo midaysan oo isku dhex jira

 

hadii layska fariisto yurub iyo waqooyiga america cilmigiinana ka dhigtaan kii masaaridii horee oon waxba laga faa'iaidin kii soomaaliya kasoo qayliya 50'$ loosoo tuuro dad badan baa badda ku dhimanaya waxayna dhiiri gelinaysaa tahriibka iyo qabiilaysiga,fikrad fiyoow oo dhalin yaro oo casriyaysan halagula soo noqdo arladii udgoonayd.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Xabad markay hadalku ka so dhamaaday no argument no response u start with personal insult i rest my case , hadalki hadaan ka soo xidhay wa good...

[xabad]

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@Xaaji Xunjuf

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Xabad markay hadalku ka so dhamaaday no argument no response u start with personal insult i rest my case , hadalki hadaan ka soo xidhay wa good...

 

I always had doubts about your sanity, i am convinced your not all right in the head now. cidansultan is in the same boat with you.

[Hawdian]

^ Godwins law , you have lost the argument thread closed .