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Apophis   

Haatu;986696 wrote:

 

As for you guys saying we ought to fight, ask yourselves "what good will it bring"?

Plus it's easier to bet with someone else's money (life) than one's own.

 

PS: you'll notice the “fight, fight, fight" crew are not volunteering to fight or even remotely help where Somalis are actually fighting (Somali Galbed). If anything, they're against those fighting there.

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Baashi   

Awoowe disenfrenchisement of Somalis in Kenya is real. I have seen it with my own eyes. My fellow Somali-Kenyan's have been disenfrenchised.

 

The territories Somalis populate are under quasi-marshal law if not under full blown Marshal law. The Somali-Kenyans' movement within Kenya is restricted. The state does not invest in the territories Somalis reside as it does with other districts. They are deprived of the right to have access to basic healthcare and education that's at par with other provincial districs such as Nakuru. The NFD infrastructure is 20 to 30 years behind compared to other parts of the state.

 

The grievances against the state is real.

 

Do not wage violent resistance against the state but do demand equal treatment under the law. Demand access to the basic healthcare and education.

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Haatu   

Baashi;986702 wrote:
Awoowe disenfrenchisement of Somalis in Kenya is real. I have seen it with my own eyes. My fellow Somali-Kenyan's have been disenfrenchised.

 

The territories Somalis populate are under quasi-marshal law if not under full blown Marshal law. The Somali-Kenyans' movement within Kenya is restricted. The state does not invest in the territories Somalis reside as it does with other districts. They are deprived of the right to have access to basic healthcare and education that's at par with other provincial districs such as Nakuru. The NFD infrastructure is 20 to 30 years behind compared to other parts of the state.

 

The grievances against the state is real.

 

Do not wage violent resistance against the state but do demand equal treatment under the law. Demand access to the basic healthcare and education.

And what do you guys think we're doing? Ma dad dareen la' baad na moodeen? Of course we demand equitable treatment and basic services, day and night.

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Somalis in Kenya are no less Kenyans than other tribes of Kenya whom originated from other parts of Africa. Whether they are the Kikuyas from the west and Luo/Jalua from central Sudan. They are entitled to be Kenyans and claim their share of the pie as they have a stake(land and resource) in what's today the modern nation of Kenya.

 

That said, have the Somalis in Kenya went through a tough time under the repressive dictatorial regimes of the past, the answer is simply yes. So, rather being so emotional about a documentary of incidents that has taken place 30 or so odd years ago, I think we ought to be asking if the Kenya's policy toward NFD has changed or if it is as it were 20 or 30 years ago? Have the lives of ordinary Somalis in the region improved? How do Somali politicians at local level as well as in the central deal with issue relating to their constituency? In my opinion Somalis in Kenya are better off today than they were in those days. They are more educated, more prosperous economically, and held powerful positions in all political spectrum, opposition or otherwise. In addition, the Somalis from Somalia even feel safe in Kenya than in some part of Somalia.

 

Marka reerka nabada ku jooga yaan gadaal la gelin'e ee aan runta aan isku sheegno oo baroorta beenta iska dayno. Truth is that our dictator killed, maimed, raped, displaced more Somalis in Somalia than the Kenyan ponies could have ever whinnied.

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Baashi   

Kudos to you then. Don't be defensive awoowe. I have lived Kenya in 8 months in 1991 and I have to say I have not seen bold Somalis demanding equal treatment under the law. I once ventured out to refugee camps in 2004 and I was taken aback by what I saw. We were stopped by Somali-Kenyan in full military fatigue and they wouldn't let us go if it were not the commanding officer who happened to be ethnic Kenyan. We were legit and had all the papers but the Somalis at the bridge crossing were insisting on that we're illegals.

 

There are social and economic disparities in NFD that's visible to the naked eye and you are pretty defensive when folks point that simple facts. Don't be.

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Haatu   

You're mixing things now awoowe. Of course our region is the least developed, no one denies that. What I'm denying is the notion that we're not demanding our rights. Kenya today is a changed place and the Somalis are making strides. This is why Mandera County received the biggest county budget I believe. From now on we will only blame ourselves for our underdevelopment as the central government is at last giving the area decent money.

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Tallaabo   

Apophis;986700 wrote:
Plus it's easier to bet with someone else's money (life) than one's own.

 

PS: you'll notice the “fight, fight, fight" crew are not volunteering to fight or even remotely help where Somalis are actually fighting (Somali Galbed). If anything, they're against those fighting there.

True

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Tallaabo   

Haatu;986696 wrote:
You guys are mixing a lot of things. Our land is in Kenya and that makes us Kenyan citizens. We might not like it but it's a reality today. So, when Mohamed asks the question "are you Kenyan", he's really asking "do you see yourself as a Kenyan citizen" which goes without saying. Our identity on the other hand is obviously Somali.

 

As for you guys saying we ought to fight, ask yourselves "what good will it bring"?

They are mixing ethnic identity with geopolitical location and their ignorance about Kenya's history does not help. Kenya is an amalgamation of tribes from hell put together by the British empire. It should be thought of as the "forced Union of warring tribes". Unfortunately your people found themselves in the middle of this uneasy political construct and so have no choice but to claim their rightful share of the pie.

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Haatu;986752 wrote:
You're mixing things now awoowe. Of course our region is the least developed, no one denies that. What I'm denying is the notion that we're not demanding our rights. Kenya today is a changed place and the Somalis are making strides. This is why Mandera County received the biggest county budget I believe. From now on we will only blame ourselves for our underdevelopment as the central government is at last giving the area decent money.

 

 

It is the practice of colonists to spend more on the unruly regions to keep a tighter control on that population. They also pay their native police force a higher wage so that they oppress with more vigor and enthusiasm.

 

Higher budget means nothing. The man who writes the check dictates its allocation. Of course, as we see in the documentary, security issues are paramount at the moment. It would be unwise for that money to be used in any manner that is not spying on, corralling, and caging those unruly and disloyal locals.

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People are to harsh on the Somali Kenyans, kenya was an entity indeed created by the English the Somalis lived in that entity all their lives they have never been conquered by other ethnic groups, they were never put under a Kenyan empire by other Kenyans. They fought for Somali nationalism for what it was and because of that they were punished by other Kenyans who considered the Somali Kenyans their own people and their own countrymen. I believe if the Luos wanted to be united with Uganda they would face the same repercussions. The Somali Kenyans tried their best to fight for Somali nationalism but it failed both the Somalis in the than Somali republic and the Somali Kenyans failed to unite. Now the Somali Kenyans have given up on that and are fighting for their rights with in the Kenyan society. Its hard when your country of Birth Kenya is battling your ethnic Kins across the border and you are accused by others of harboring alshabaab.This seems to be a problem but what can be done if Somali Kenyans unite and fight together for their rights in Kenya and get a fair piece of the pie.

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