Che -Guevara Posted September 22, 2013 Miyir Right, the Somali public asked Ethiopia and Kenya to invade the country so they could be massacred. How hard is it for you admit the crimes committed against the Somalis? Nuune. It certainly up the ante. It is unfortunate though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hobbesian_Brute Posted September 22, 2013 ^ against ********* the gods themselves contend in vain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedSea Posted September 22, 2013 Che -Guevara;978797 wrote: Never understood Somalis justifying the atrocities committed by Kenyans, Ugandans, and Ethiopian. If you don't acknowledge the suffering and the humiliation visited upon our people, you are in no position to preach to others. Exactly my sentiments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miyir Posted September 22, 2013 Ethiopia yes both times, Kenya no, I am glad Kenyans did and helped defeat Alharam cult. its war innocent people are killed unfortunately our main enemy is your cult who kill indiscriminately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted September 22, 2013 Miyir;978810 wrote: its war innocent people are killed unfortunately Well, unfortunately, these innocent Kenyans are casualty of that war. On different note, do you sincerely believe foreign powers will defeat Al-Shabab? It seems a bit naive! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miyir Posted September 22, 2013 nuune;978803 wrote: - The actions by Alshabaab today in Nairobi are barbaric, inhumane, children, women and men are being killed, their action was a symbolic gesture that they can operate in Kenya freely. - The same is true, Kenyan army doing their share of the barbaric acts on daily bases, killing and throwing missiles at villages, children, men and women being killed, their main reason, in Somalia, they say, is that they are after Alshabaab who kidnapped some tourists in Kenya back then. - Both entities are fighting each other in Somalia, and now in Kenya. nuune you lost here, what do you mean both? alharam cult cannot be compared to anyone period. to think alharam cult will spare Kenyans if they mind their business is delusion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miyir Posted September 22, 2013 Che -Guevara;978811 wrote: Well, unfortunately, these innocent Kenyans are casualty of that war. On different note, do you sincerely believe foreign powers will defeat Al-Shabab? It seems a bit naive! there is difference between cold blooded murder your cult commits daily in Somalia and today's massacre in Kenya and causality of war. any help is welcome, we cannot defeat them alone so far. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nuune Posted September 22, 2013 I said, again, Both entities are fighting each other in Somalia, and now in Kenya. Tell me what is wrong with that, are they not fighting each other in Somalia, recently the other day they clashed outside Bu'aale, an Alshabaab territory, and in Kenya, many times before we have seen Alshabaab throwing bombs, and now at Westgate, so inside Somalia, and Kenya, ma muran baa ka taagan, whatever the end target is whether innocent or not, doesn't matter to them! Alshabaab and many other groups should be eliminated from the face of the earth, that we agree, but also don't forget the powerful force in the name of a country doing the same to innocents, that is Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Burundi etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted September 22, 2013 Miyir. I actually agree with you, Al-Shabab has became a menace the moment they start terrorizing the general public, it's one thing to attack a foreign army or the SNA. In any case, Al-Shabab can only be defeated by viable Somali state, "inviting" these countries only exacerbates the problem and as we see it today, they put their people and economies in jeopardy. The world had every opportunity to help establish a proper Somali army, but no country wants that, least of all Kenya and Ethiopia. After the Ethiopian occupation and not to mention the many years of Ugandan presence, you would think people would appreciate the fact it's ONLY Somalis that can fix this problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miyir Posted September 22, 2013 nuune;978815 wrote: I said, again, Both entities are fighting each other in Somalia, and now in Kenya. Tell me what is wrong with that, are they not fighting each other in Somalia, recently the other day they clashed outside Bu'aale, an Alshabaab territory, and in Kenya, many times before we have seen Alshabaab throwing bombs, and now at Westgate, so inside Somalia, and Kenya, ma muran baa ka taagan, whatever the end target is whether innocent or not, doesn't matter to them! Alshabaab and many other groups should be eliminated from the face of the earth, that we agree, but also don't forget the powerful force in the name of a country doing the same to innocents, that is Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Burundi etc im shaking my head, the defenseless mothers and kids at shopping mall is fighting in bu'aale? no to entities to compare Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nuune Posted September 22, 2013 ^^ What happened today in the mall is a barbaric act, inhumane, and Alshabaab for carrying out should be sliced down one by one. It doesn't matter to Alshabaab whether the end target is children, women, as long they are doing it inside Kenya, they don't care. Kaalay adu, why are you not mentioning the 20+ who died today in Mogadishu as a result of Alshabaab bombs in the Bakaara, most of them were women and children, bal arrintaa eeg ee don't flow with where the media focuses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miyir Posted September 22, 2013 Che -Guevara;978816 wrote: Miyir. I actually agree with you, Al-Shabab has became a menace the moment they start terrorizing the general public, it's one thing to attack a foreign army or the SNA. In any case, Al-Shabab can only be defeated by viable Somali state, "inviting" these countries only exacerbates the problem and as we see it today, they put their people and economies in jeopardy. The world had every opportunity to help establish a proper Somali army, but no country wants that, least of all Kenya and Ethiopia. After the Ethiopian occupation and not to mention the many years of Ugandan presence, you would think people would appreciate the fact it's ONLY Somalis that can fix this problem. fully in agreement in here, we can only defeat them if we are united, are we? the blame lies with us not with those countries fighting in Somalia against alharam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miyir Posted September 22, 2013 nuune;978818 wrote: ^^ What happened today in the mall is a barbaric act, inhumane, and Alshabaab for carrying out should be sliced down one by one. It doesn't matter to Alshabaab whether the end target is children, women, as long they are doing it inside Kenya, they don't care. Kaalay adu, why are you not mentioning the 20+ who died today in Mogadishu as a result of Alshabaab bombs in the Bakaara, most of them were women and children, bal arrintaa eeg ee don't flow with where the media focuses. both are victim's of death cult, im only against anyone who tries to justify alharam actions that is all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted September 22, 2013 Miyir. Let's diminish or deny the crimes committed by these countries. 'They were fighting Al-Shabab' is not a valid argument. You can't mourn the lives lost today while diminishing the suffering of the Somali caused by these countries. This is while saying what one rapist does is okay because other rapists commit the same crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taleexi Posted September 22, 2013 What happened today was wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites