xiinfaniin Posted April 2, 2013 ^^The Jubbaland settings have not changed it seems since 1913. The three pols of political power still persist. Perhaps it was the British rule that was later enacted to limit the movement of these clans that contributed to the preservation of that setting---if not that rule, I would bet we would have been found in Mombosa and Lamu today not in Jubba region Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wadani Posted April 2, 2013 xiinfaniin;933632 wrote: I must disagree with Wadani and Illyria's conclusion , namely that the qab iyo han of Somali race has long died. It is indeed that uncontrolled confidence and pride that partially destroyed Somalia. Governance demands certain surrender of dignity and pride , it requires the superiority of the law, demands that an average Somali man found difficulty to reconcile with his deep dislike of authority. Even in business, the depictions of white man above is observable; news highlights periodically inform a Somali business person has been arrested for breaking county and state laws . that is so i reckon because it is in the nature of Somali to find shortcuts and defy what is perceived to be rigid rules. The daring nature of our people can never be in dispute , the ventures we took on whether it is when we are in a survival mode (the dash to cross the Great Sahara to make to teh western shores), or in yaan lagaa badin mode , we are indeed examples of an african genre that is unique and unmatched ...I love being Somali Xiin, u r right we are unmatched in our daring and intrepid nature. But the desperation of the last two decades has eroded the edifice of our collective pride as a people. Self-hating Somalis were non-existent pre civil war and now it's a plague. Y do u think our women are the cheapest whether in the mosques or the clubs, willing to do anything for some ajanabi attention. Compare this the nomad Somali woman who encountered a faranji and his Somali guide. They were both exhausted and thirsty from their long trek so as Somali hospitality would dictate she offered them camel milk; but she gave the Somali guide the milk first. When he had his fill she then gave some to the saancaddaale. When he finished she took the container and broke it calashaan gaal baa wax ku cabbay. Xiinowww kuwaas hadda aduunyada ma saaranyihin?????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted April 2, 2013 Wadani;933644 wrote: Xiin, u r right we are unmatched in our daring and intrepid nature. But the desperation of the last two decades has eroded the edifice of our collective pride as a people. Self-hating Somalis were non-existent pre civil war and now it's a plague. Y do u think our women are the cheapest whether in the mosques or the clubs, willing to do anything for some ajanabi attention. Compare this the nomad Somali woman who encountered a faranji and his Somali guide. They were both exhausted and thirsty from their long trek so as Somali hospitality would dictate she offered them camel milk; but she gave the Somali guide the milk first. When he had his fill she then gave some to the saancaddaale. When he finished she took the container and broke it calashaan gaal baa wax ku cabbay. Xiinowww kuwaas hadda aduunyada ma saaranyihin?????? Or the story of Faadumo Jibriil of Ceerigaabo, where as she narrated to us in Minneapolis a British Caravan stopped by at a nomad settlement of theirs. Her grandmother was the only adult at the settlement at the time. She instructed her to stay in the Aqal ;'stay inside and never come out'. When the interpreter (most likely a xaaji xunjuf at the time ) asked few questions, Faadumo's grandmother did not cooperate. When the Caravan moved on, she started reciting Qura'an unto a bowl of water and flashed with Whitemen's boot tracks . She exactly marked visually where the whitemen stood when they stopped :D. These memories ,Young Fadumo said, defined for her as a young girl what it means to be a white person with guns : a devil that must be fought with Qura'an But it is also true similar stories are found in the west. Like the young Somali girl who when at the Target store a customer attempted to ring a pork product refused to serve . when Inquired, it is haraam she said. This may not represent a well grounded knowledge about Islam, but it represents something which majority of other Muslims may not dare to do , a marked defiance in our nature Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted April 2, 2013 Xiin, it is true Somali expansion would have certainly expanded even further Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oba hiloowlow Posted April 2, 2013 Salahudin;933629 wrote: "Of the tribes in Jubaland the Somali are by far the most important. In the whole of East Africa there are two branches of the Somali, the Darud and the Ishaak. The former only is represented in Jubaland. The Dirr and Haweyeh tribes, largely represented in Italian territory and slightly in Jubaland, though called Somali are really the aborigines of the Benidir coast, and are in no way co-tribal with the Somali, with whom they seldom intermarry". So the D-block and the habraha are the only true somalis. Ohh snap check this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted April 2, 2013 ^^What is that Oba? Gabbal, true some people want to subject this region to a narrow clan narratives . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oba hiloowlow Posted April 2, 2013 its from a book written in 1890s Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites