Liqaye Posted January 5, 2007 No one is a virgin in somali politics again we ask what is the alternative? baashi has suggested his squeaks and tinkering, does anyone have anything fundamentally diffrent and actually based on factsto T.F.G and ethiopian control on the ground? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coloow Posted January 5, 2007 ^^^^ You may claim that there are a few in the IUC leadership who fit in the description of warlords.. but compared to the above people, they are saints. Sxb. You are making a mockery of the word process by stating "The process for the TFG was out in the open ". What you call a "process" ended up in giving us 70+ cabinet that consisted of who is who in regards to warlordism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liqaye Posted January 5, 2007 The civil society was was tried in Arta 2000 the goverment wasstill born in a matter of months, right now the warlords are even nominally under control [unless gedi and co. give them the opportunity to break the leash] better to have a warlord inside the tent pissing out, than outside pissing in, a lesson the the T.N.G can so fully attest to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted January 5, 2007 Baashi, What you fear is inevitable as long Ethiopia is on Somali soil yaa Baashi! Instead of calling for its withdrawal, the world will understand why Ethiopia is there. With TFG as its diplomatic cover, and pursue of the Courts remnants as a pretext for its military activities, it’s hard to imagine Ethiopia withdrawing any time soon. Short of another Somali reconciliation, the future of Somalia looks bleak. Edit-do you not think TFG lacks legitimacy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted January 5, 2007 Originally posted by Halgan: ^^^^ You may claim that there are a few in the IUC leadership who fit in the description of warlords.. but compared to the above people, they are saints. Saints? That certainly is your opinion. And it is about as valid as those who hail the TFG 'warlords'. Sxb. You are making a mockery of the word process by stating "The process for the TFG was out in the open ". What you call a "process" ended up in giving us 70+ cabinet that consisted of who is who in regards to warlordism. A flawed process is nevertheless a process. The ICU cannot claim any process whatsoever however flawed. And yes - 70 cabinet members is a travesty. But then the process can be revised and retooled. Ahh the inestimable benefits of a process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AYOUB Posted January 5, 2007 Baashi does this mean the end of "neutrality"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted January 5, 2007 Ayoubi....Only after you give up on seceding.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AYOUB Posted January 5, 2007 ^^ The chances are between slim and none and slim is out of town. - Ali Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faarax-Brawn Posted January 5, 2007 1. Full amnesty for the Islamists leadership. 2. Reconcilliation meeting in Mogadishu. 3. Revised constitution. 4. National vote to ratify the drafted constitution. 4. Clear succession plan (with defined date). Chief & Paramount issue of this whole mess ma'adan identify gareen. Ka bacdi how do you want serious dialogue Bashow? Refusal of frontline troops,chief among it: ETHIOPIA!! Chronology of Event sampled here Bashi. Warlords get bribed to elect a govt in a foreign country Somalis rejoice Get kicked out of Kenya,forced to GO BACK TO THEIR HOMELAND. Move to Jowhar Get chased from Jawhar. Fail to reconcile Somalis Unable to reconcile SOMALIS and FAIL to have an impact. Ask IGADD to have troops. Opposition refuses frontline troops. Fail to reconcile Somalis Rejoice Fail to reconcile Somalis Brings enemy Tanks into Somali Soil Fail to reconcile Somalis Let An Enemy country invade its nation. Nation occupied by Xabashis ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted January 5, 2007 Originally posted by AYOUB_SHEIKH: ^^ The chances are between slim and none and slim is out of town. - Ali LooooL...well that should answer your question Ayoubi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted January 5, 2007 Embrace who? Punch of current and former warlords who have been terrorizing us since the fall of Barre regime? Shouldn't a rapist ask for forgiveness before thinking of proposing to his victim? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AYOUB Posted January 6, 2007 Che, I've never claimed to be "neutral" yaa saxbi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted January 6, 2007 Bashi, the old man and Ethiopian stoojs need to be gotten rid of for any 'real' and 'tangible' progress to be made. But wht is progress? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liqaye Posted January 6, 2007 what is the alternative? what is the alternative? what is the alternative? what is the alternative? what is the alternative? oh and a realistic alternative please,,wet dreams on the other side of the aisle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taliban Posted January 6, 2007 Originally posted by LIQAYE: what is the alternative? what is the alternative? what is the alternative? what is the alternative? what is the alternative? oh and a realistic alternative please,,wet dreams on the other side of the aisle. A realistic alternative; the TFG adopts Sharia' as the system that will govern Somalis. Unfortunately, the constitutions of Ethiopia and the US forbid Somalis from adopting Sharia' as their system of governance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
