MoonLight1 Posted April 1, 2010 Maadeey you seem to be young, enthusiast, but not wise enough to realize what these Shababs are doing is going to backfire, lets look at this issue from the prospective of "Nahyul Munkar", don't you know there are codes of conducts when implementing Nahyul Munkar, e.g. To stop that munkar it should not create a greater Munkar, and the great ulamaa of the salaf did talk about it. lets look at the practice of our prophet Muhammad PBUH. 1) He said to Aisha " Oh Aisha if your people (Quraish) were not new in Islam I would've changed the base of the Ka'ba and I would put it on its origins" owkama qaala caleyhi salaam. 2) When asked why don't you eliminate the Munaafiqs in Madinah he replied he will not kill them " so that Arabs will not say Muhammad kills his companions". 3) The prophet PBUH prayed in the Ka'ba for 13 years while there were more than 300 idols around him, he never touched one of these idols or destroyed any of them, he could've sneaked in the Ka'ba one night or he could've told his sahabah to go and vandalize those idols and they would've been more than ready to do it, but he never did that for thirteen years, did you ask your self why not? When he migrated to Madinah he could've sent a hit squad to destroy those idols, but he waited for another 8 years, why? I will tell you why. The reason is that the prophet PBUH first destroyed the idols inside the people's hearts, he educated them for 21 years until he wiped those Khuraafaat from their hearts, then it was easy for him to distroy the 300 and so idols surrounding the Ka'ba. PLZ Think before you support anyone with a beard and a slogan, sometimes those who seems to be real muslims damage Islam more than anyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maaddeey Posted April 1, 2010 ^Moonlight, adigaa wax isku qasaya sxb, kacbada siday u dhisantahay oo la bedelo & Shirkiga qubuurta miyaa is leh?, Munkar Shirki ka weyn oo laga cabsanayo muxuu yahay? Fatxu Makkah, markii asnaamta la bur-burinayey dadkii & Asxaabta waxa kala raacay ma ogid? fiiri kutubta siirada, illaa qaar ay yiraahdaan asnaamta ayaa idinka aarsan doonta (iyagoo mooda iney is difaaci karaan, qofkii taabtana dhib la kulmi doona), Nabiyullaahi Ibraahim (CS) ka warran siduu asnaamta FAJACALAHUM JUTHAATHAN. Shabaabku wax ka fiican oy sameeyeen maleh, Ilaahey idinkiina waa guuleysan doonaan, ee adiga har & habeen waadiga dacaayad la daba taagan Shabaabe, maxaa kaa halleysan? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polanyi Posted April 1, 2010 Originally posted by MoonLight1: Maadeey you seem to be young, enthusiast, but not wise enough to realize what these Shababs are doing is going to backfire, lets look at this issue from the prospective of "Nahyul Munkar", don't you know there are codes of conducts when implementing Nahyul Munkar, e.g. To stop that munkar it should not create a greater Munkar, and the great ulamaa of the salaf did talk about it. lets look at the practice of our prophet Muhammad PBUH. 1) He said to Aisha " Oh Aisha if your people (Quraish) were not new in Islam I would've changed the base of the Ka'ba and I would put it on its origins" owkama qaala caleyhi salaam. 2) When asked why don't you eliminate the Munaafiqs in Madinah he replied he will not kill them " so that Arabs will not say Muhammad kills his companions". 3) The prophet PBUH prayed in the Ka'ba for 13 years while there were more than 300 idols around him, he never touched one of these idols or destroyed any of them, he could've sneaked in the Ka'ba one night or he could've told his sahabah to go and vandalize those idols and they would've been more than ready to do it, but he never did that for thirteen years, did you ask your self why not? When he migrated to Madinah he could've sent a hit squad to destroy those idols, but he waited for another 8 years, why? I will tell you why. The reason is that the prophet PBUH first destroyed the idols inside the people's hearts, he educated them for 21 years until he wiped those Khuraafaat from their hearts, then it was easy for him to distroy the 300 and so idols surrounding the Ka'ba. PLZ Think before you support anyone with a beard and a slogan, sometimes those who seems to be real muslims damage Islam more than anyone else. The idol of thaqeef The Messenger of Allah * erected a tent for them near his mosque. Khalid bin Sa'eed acted as intermediary between them and the Messenger of Allah One of the things which they asked of the Messenger of Allah A was that he leave for them Al-Lat (their idol) and not destroy it for three years, so that they might be saved thereby from the wrath of the ignorant among them, but he refused. They continued to ask him, but he refused; they even asked him for a month's respite, but he refused to allow them any respite. Another thing that they asked him was that he excuse them from praying and that they should not have to destroy their idols themselves. He said: "As for the destruction of your idols by your own hands, we shall excuse you that, but as for the prayer, there is no goodness in a religion which has no prayer." When they had embraced Islam, he appointed 'Uthman bin Abil 'As in charge of them, although he was the youngest of them, because he was the keenest of them on studying and understanding the Religion. When they set out for their land, the Messenger of Allah* sent Abu Sufyan and Al-Mugheerah 4 with them to destroy Al-Lat. When they entered, Al-Mugheerah 4, attacked it with a pickaxe, while Banu Mu'attib, fearful that would be fired upon like 'Urwah 4. The women of Thaqeef came out with their heads uncovered, crying over it. After he had destroyed it, he took its wealth. The lessons derived from the story of thaqeef: We also derive from it that it is not permissible to allow the objects of Shirk to remain for even a day once one has achieved the ability to remove them, for they are the signs of disbelief and they are the greatest evil. And that is the ruling on the shrines which are built over graves and which are taken as idols worshipped besides Allah and the stones which are intended for veneration and the seeking of blessings and which share the status of Al-Lat, Al-'Uzza and Manat, the other third (idol) — or even worse acts of Shirk — we seek Allah's Help (against falling into) that. And none of those who worshipped these TawagheetEll believed that they created, provided sustenance, gave life or caused death. They only used to do before them what their brothers among the polytheists do before their Tawagheet today. These people followed the ways of those who came before them in an identical manner, adopting their practices inch-by-inch and yard-byyard until Shirk overcame most of them due to the appearance of ignorance and the lack of knowledge, so that Al-Ma/riff (righteousness) came to be considered Al-Munkar (evil) and Al-Munkar came to be considered Al-Matti]. and Sunnah came to be considered Bid'ah and Bid'ah came to be considered Sunnah and the small child would be reared upon that and the adult grew old upon it; the signposts (of knowledge) were erased. Separation from Islam increased greatly. The scholars became few in number, the foolish people gained ascendancy and the situation became very serious and hardship increased both on land and at sea due to that which the people's hands earned. However, there will remain a group from the Muhammadan group who continue to call to the truth and who oppose the people of Shirk and innovation, until such time as Allah inherits the earth and those upon it — and He is the Best of inheritors. We also derive from this story the permissibility of the Imam utilizing the wealth from shrines in the cause of Jihad and other beneficial deeds and to give it to the warriors and to make use of its value in benefitting the Muslims. This is also the ruling on making an endowment of it — and this is something which is disputed by no one among the scholars of Islam. lessons derived from the story of Masjid Dirar: We also derive from this story the permissibility of burning places of sin and disobedience, as the Prophet * burnt Masjid Ad-Dirar (the Mosque of Harm); and it is incumbent upon the Imam to destroy it, either by demolishing it or by burning it, or by altering its shape and changing its function. And if that was the case regarding Masjid Ad- Dirar, then the shrines where Shirk is practised should with all the more reason be destroyed and likewise the houses of the wine merchants and those who do evil deeds source: Zaad Al Maad By Ibn Al Qayyim Al Jawziyh http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Complete%20-%20Zaad%20al%20Maad.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MoonLight1 Posted April 1, 2010 Fatxu Makkah, markii asnaamta la bur-burinayey dadkii & Asxaabta waxa kala raacay ma ogid? fiiri kutubta siirada, illaa qaar ay yiraahdaan asnaamta ayaa idinka aarsan doonta (iyagoo mooda iney is difaaci karaan, qofkii taabtana dhib la kulmi doona), Nabiyullaahi Ibraahim (CS) ka warran siduu asnaamta FAJACALAHUM JUTHAATHAN. Anagu ma waxaa qudwa noo ah nabi muxammad, mise shareecadii nabi Ibrahim, Nabi muxammad 13 sano ayuu ku dhex tukanaayay in ka badan 300 asnaam, Miyuusan towxiidka fahmin? mise shirki buu la yimi, Xashalilah. Adeerow diinta intaad ka taqaan waa iska cadahay ee bal aanu aragno Alshayaadiin meesha ay ku gaarsiiyaan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MoonLight1 Posted April 1, 2010 Fatxu Makkah, markii asnaamta la bur-burinayey dadkii & Asxaabta waxa kala raacay ma ogid? fiiri kutubta siirada, illaa qaar ay yiraahdaan asnaamta ayaa idinka aarsan doonta (iyagoo mooda iney is difaaci karaan, qofkii taabtana dhib la kulmi doona), Nabiyullaahi Ibraahim (CS) ka warran siduu asnaamta FAJACALAHUM JUTHAATHAN. Anagu ma waxaa qudwa noo ah nabi muxammad, mise shareecadii nabi Ibrahim, Nabi muxammad 13 sano ayuu ku dhex tukanaayay in ka badan 300 asnaam, Miyuusan towxiidka fahmin? mise shirki buu la yimi, Xashalilah. Adeerow diinta intaad ka taqaan waa iska cadahay ee bal aanu aragno Alshayaadiin meesha ay ku gaarsiiyaan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maaddeey Posted April 1, 2010 ^Nabi Ibrahim wuxuu ka mid yahay Anbiyada la yiri: FABIHUDAAHUMUQTADIH, Fatxu Makkah & waxa kala raacay Carab & Nabiga (CS) een si kooban kuugu sheegay, Karlna (khayr Alle ha siiyee) kaaga suu guuriyey Zaadul Macaad arag kuna cibro qaado, deg-degtana iska dhaf & nacaybka kugu gaamuray, Wassalaaam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MoonLight1 Posted April 1, 2010 Su'aasheyda wali kama aadan jawaabin, I will repeat it one more time " Why, Nabi Muxammad SCW uu habeenimo intuu usoo dhuunto kacbada uu u burburin waayay LAATA, ama CUZZA, or why uu u fari waayay saxaabtii qiiraysneed ee ku hareereysneed ee markaas soo Islaamay sida Abuu Darra alqifaari, Cumar Binu Khidaab, ama Xamza Radiyallahu Canhum. Nabi Ibrahim ma wuxuu ka qiira badnaa nabi Muxammad, Caleyhimusalaam labadoodaba, jawaabtu waa maya, So my question is, WHY DID Prophet Muxammad SCW not take action against these 300 idols?". PLZ answer this question then we can move on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maaddeey Posted April 1, 2010 ^War heedhe, wa ku sidee?? Nabi Muxammad (CSW) markuu AWOOD u helay, sowtan uu bur-buriyey Asnaamta, warka xaggee kaa marayaa?, iyadoo dacwadu qarsoontahay (Cahdiga Makkiga) oo inuu Alle keligii caabudo loo diidanyahay, oo Cammaar & Ehelkiisa, Bilaal, Suhayb (RC) la dulleysto, miyaad leedahay muxuu xoog Munkar ugu zuulin waayey, markaasaad weliba sidii NIN wax helay ku soo cel-celineysaa??, Awood ayay ku xirantahay zuulinta Munkarka, markii la helayna waa la fuliyey, Asnaam ka soo tag! hadda qubuur baan joognaa, mowduucuna ku saabsanyahaye sow ma ogid xadiiskii Cali ee uu taabicigii ku yiri: Sow kuma diro wuxuu Nebigu ii diray: AN LAA TADAC TIMTHAALAN ILLAA DHAMASTAH, WALAA QABRAN MUSHRIFAN ILLAA SAWWAYTAH! Markaasaad Shirkiga cad ee dambi kii ugu weynaa ah ayaad la mid dhigeysaa arrin mustaxab ah (kacbada oo loo celiyo calaa qawaacid Ibrahim (CS), Yaa walad, haddaadan dabaasha aqoonin badda ha isku gelin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MoonLight1 Posted April 1, 2010 LOL, Maadeey sxb adaa isku marqaati furay, bal halkan iga tus dacwada jahriga ah ee aan lala baqeyn ee ay Alshabab wado, the question is, NIN ASAGABA KA BAQAYO IN WAJIGIISA LA ARKO miyuu awoodaa inuu yiraaho dacwadii waan la jahray wixii aan arkana waan jiirayaa, there is aneglish phrase which says "Charity starts from home", these thugs should lift their niqaabs from their faces first then tell us they are doing the right thing. CALI binu abii daalibka aad soo daliishatay ma niqaab baa u xirnaa marka loo dirayay inuu soo burburiyo asnaamta, waa maya. So plz spare us this nonsence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maaddeey Posted April 1, 2010 ^duf ku bax , ma sheekadaasaad keentay, cilmi & adillaa la isku ogaaye ma sawirro & radiomuqdisho baad iila timid, hadda ma waxaad i leedahay Cahdu Makkaa lagu jiraa?? This is what Ibnul Qayyim said in Arabic: لا يجوز إبقاء مواضع الشرك والطواغيت بعد القدرة على هدمها وإبطالها يوماً واحداً، فإنها شعار الكفر والشرك، وهي أعظم المنكرات، فلا يجوز الإقرار عليها مع القدرة البتة، وهذا حكم المَشَاهِد التي بنيت على القبور التي اتخذت أوثاناً وطواغيت تعبد من دون الله، والأحجار التي تقصد للتعظيم والتبرك والنذر والتقبيل، لا يجوز إبقاء شيء منها على وجه الأرض مع القدرة على إزالته، وكثير منها بمنـزلة اللات والعزى ومناة الثالثة الأخرى أو أعظم شركاً، والله المستعان Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted April 1, 2010 ^^ La yajooz ku waalo. I go for the greater benefit and do not think that digging up a grave at this time is of any benefit to anyone. It is a foolish move by Al Shabab that is causing endless Fitna and getting people like Moonlight to to dig up a million and one opposite stories and fatwas. If the idea was to stop the visits to the graves I think this move by Al Shabab has done the opposite and made such visits popular, ya Maaddeey. Adigoon Ibnul Qayyim wareesan ama Abu Mansoor, kaliga taa iska fahan ya saaxibi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maaddeey Posted April 2, 2010 ^Yaakhii, qof walba wuxuu doono ha keeno, ma maqashay sheekadii muftigii la weydiiyey: 'AFILLAAHI SHAKKUN?' ee ku jawaabay: 'FIIHI QAWLAAN'? , Sheekh wax walba dood baa ka taagan, XAQQU waa WAAXID. Topic-a u soo gudub, haddii sidaad sheegeysid fitno ka imaneyso, muxuu nabigu u amray Cali isna u sii amray Taabici: AN LAA YADAC QABRAN MUSHRIFAN ILLAA TAMASAH?, oo Asnaamtii Qureysheed loo bur-buriyey, Diintu-Yaa Sheekh- ra'yi maaha, Nusuuta & Rafsiirka Culimada sida Ibnul Qayyim kama maarmo anigu, haddii aad cudur sida Epilepsy aadan Neurologist uga maarmin sideed cudurka Jahliga-diinta uga maarantaa Culimada diinta?, mar kale aan kuugu celiyo: THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN THE FITNAH OF SHIRK! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted April 2, 2010 ^^ Anigu xagga diinta wan ka gudbay, saaxib. Ee madax adeega joojsi oo fahan meeshan ka hadlayo. Al Shabab wixi xaqqa ha sameeyan o ma naan diidin. Waxan ka hor taaganahay oon waa wakhtiga ay waxan sameeyeen iyo qaabka ay ku sameeyeen. Bal car igo dheh Nabiga, ina adeerki ama xita Ibnul Qayyim ayaa Kaamerado TV la hor istaagay xabaal la qodayo. Adeer dee naga daa madax adeega. Idinkoo xaq ku jira ayaa socod xumadina baatil ka dhigaya. Anigu arrintan hada saan o arko shirk diid ama jaahlnimo hor ku tag midna maha. Waxay ii la igtahay istus iyo Al Shabab o leh 'bal car ya naga adag'. Wax walba dagaal ma noqdo, saaxib. Wax walba xoog iyo 'taydi ba soconaysa' ma noqdo. Wuxoon ba laga hadla. Caqli hadaan laga shayqaysiin, Xaq iyo baatil isko mid bay aakhirka wada noqon doonaan. Wax fahan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malika Posted April 3, 2010 ^You agree that this was an excirse of power and nothing else? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites