Salam Caleykum Yesterday's report by the maxakiinta was that he was captured and knifed which has been proven to be false. Reliable reports still have to come through. I have just received news that Col. Faratag did not participate in the war but rather was ambushed on his way to Bu'aale. I have also received news that at at most 4 people have died on Barre's side (May Allah have mercy on them) and a greater number on the ICU (may Allah have mercy on them). Wasalam

Bu'aale (PP) - Warar saakay laga helay Degmada Bu'aale ee Gobolka Jubbada Dhexe ayaa sheegaya in degmooyinka Bu'aale iyo Saakoow ay ka socdaan xilligaan dagaallo qaraar oo u dhexeeyay Malleeshiyooyinka Col. Barre Hiiraale iyo kuwa Maxkamadaha. Dagaal aan sidaa u sii badnayn oo shalay ka dhacay degmada Bu'aale iyo Dajuuma ayaa sababay inay halkaas isaga baxaan qaar ka mid ah Malleeshiyada Col. Barre Hiiraale iyadoo la sheegay in gawaari nooca dagaalka ahna laga qabsaday Col. Barre Hiiraale. Qabsashada Gawaarida dagaalka ee dhanka Col. Barre Hiiraale ayaa waxaa caddeeyay qaar ka mid ah Mas'uuliyiinta Maxkamadaha, waxaana sidoo kale ay sheegeen inay gawaarida ay qabsadeen ay gaarayaan in ku dhow 16-gawaarida tiknikada loo yaqaan ah oo ay leeyihiin Malleeshiyooyinka Col. Barre Hiiraale, isla markaana ay kala eryeen. Dhanka Col. Barre Hiiraale ayaa iyaguna sheegay inay dagaalkaas ku qabsadeen kooxo tikniko ah oo ka tirsan kuwa Maxkamadaha isla markaana ay ka dileen qaar ka mid ah ciidammadooda, waxaana ay sheegeen in xilligaan ay isku horfadhiyaan goobihii ay horay awalba isugu hor-fadhiyeen. Ilo wareedyo ku sugan Degmada Jilib ayaa u xaqiijiyay Puntlandpost in dagaallo ay saakay ka qaraxeen Degmooyinka Bu'aale iyo Saakoow, waxaana la sheegay in dagaallada hadda socda ay yihiin kuwo aad uga xooga badan kuwii shalay, balse aan qiyaasi karin khasaaraha ay saakay dhaliyeen. Wixii warar ah ee ku soo kordha dagaallada ka socda degmooyinka Bu'aale iyo saakoow waxaad aqriste kala socon doontaa Puntlandpost.com haddii ALAHA awoodda leh ogolaado. Maxamed Xuseen Jantiile Wakiilka Puntlandpost - Mogadisho E-mail: puntlandpostmog@hotmail.com http://www.puntlandpost.com/newspage.php?articleid=6348

Bu'aale (AllPuntland)- Xalaada magaalada Bu'aale ee xarunta gobolka Jubadda Dhexe ayaa ah caawa mid dagan ka dib markii ay maanta halkaasi ka dhaceen dagaalo khasaare gaystay, oo dhexmaray xoogagga DFKMG ah ee Jamhuuriyadda Soomaaliya iyo ciidamada maxkamadaha Muqdisho. Magaalada Bu'aale ayaa lagu soo waramayaa inuu gacanta ku hayo wasiirka gaashaandhiga ee dawlada Soomaaliya Md. Barre Aaden Shire (Hiiraare) sida ay AllPuntland u xaqiijiyeen ilo ku dhow dhow wasaarada gaashaandhiga ee Soomaaliya. Warku wuxuu intaas ku darayaa in ciidamada uu hogaaminayo wasiirku ay ka qabsadeen kuwa maxkamadaha sideed gaari oo ah nooca dagaalka ee looyaqaan tiknikada. Dhanka wasiirka ayaa lagu soo waramayaa in ay laba nin ka dhinteen afar kalena ka dhaawacmeen, halka ilaa iyo hadda aan lahayn khasaaraha dhabta ah ee soo gaaray maxkamadaha Muqdisho, isgaarsiin la'aan gobolkaasi ka jirta awgeed. Labada dagaalka ee maanta ay iskaga horyimaadeen ciidamada labada dhinac ayaa lagu soo waramayaa in markii hore ay is haleeleen ciidamada sahanka ee DFMKG ah ee Soomaaliya iyo kuwa maxkamadaha, halka maanta galinkii danbena ay si ka fool ka fool ah halkaasi isku hardiyeen ciidamada labada dhinac. wixii war ah ee ka soo cusbaanaada dagaalkaas ha ka dheeraan AllPuntland A.A.A. Gentleman AllPuntland

Maleeshiyaadka golaha maxaakimta aya kaga cararay labo baabuur oo ah nooca loo yaqaan 3F oo yaalay qardho http://www.alldarwiish.com/maxakiimtaoolagaqabsaday.html

Salam Caleykuum Subxanallaah, the amount of propagandic statements reported is astonishing. The current news is that both parties claim acts that are unconfirmed. According to this site: http://www.waagacusub.com/22.10.06.1.htm Barre Hiiraale resides in Gubato and states that Bu'alee is under his rule whilst the Maxakiimta state that they have succeeded in defeating the forces of Barre Hiiraale. Col Ismaceel Farataaq states that they haven't lost the war and that are not surrounded by the ICU whilst the ICU claim that they have captured him and surrounded the rest. http://somalinet.com/news/world/English/4350 http://somalinet.com/news/world/Soomaali/4351 None of these reports have been confirmed by independant sources. So it is way too early for the authenthic reports to be filtered out and come to light considering that the battle is still going on. Wasalam

Salamu Calaykuum I kind of agree with HornAfrique. These petty accusations need to cease. Apparantly, anyone who dares to criticise some of the actions behind the courts is shamelessly branded as a supporter of qabyaalad. I, myself, have heavily criticised the ICU for their abrupt take-over of Kismayoo. A take-over that was rash, lacked xikmah, and completely served no favour to the courts except bad publicity and a whole bunch of problems that will in the long run gradually weaken their cause and lose devout supporters. These kind of actions saddens the average supporter and not increase in their support. The wadaado in Somalialand for instance have praised the courts but warned them of intervering with Somalialand in order to avoid disturbance of its peace and stability and this is a perfect example of xikmah which resembles the past actions of the salaf-ul-salih. I hope, insha'Allah, that these xikmah devoid take-overs will not be repeated by the wadaado. Wasalam

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea: Enough said here, I think Shiekh Alleh Ubaahne has more passion for his country and people, then you people can imagine. He might have gotten little emotional there,but no harm done anyways. However, what irritates me the most, are the ones who were so loudly cheering for the cause of the courts and suddenly now are putting quotation marks, while questioning the legitamacy of the ICU. These people should be ashamed of themselves. I can understand Duke, because he was never a supporter of the ICU,but those who were bashing him yesterday for him being anti ICU, are being anti ICU for the same reason today,because the ICU are now waking up from their supposed tribal lands.Hmm, it only makes me wonder as to why that is??! Salamu Calaykuum His passion stems from apparent ignorance of the Deen and Shari'ah. Calling members who oppose him munafiqun whilst at the same time not knowing the meaning of the word and that takfeer is specifically reserved the scholars of the Deen. Unjustly praying for the destruction of his brothers which is one of the acts that cancels once's good deeds and the ones who were targeted are rewarded. The constant call to incite a rebellion in Somaliland of those in authority in a country where Muslims are not oppressed, nor are deterrent from worshipping Allah. This is one of the characteristic khawaarij and the salaf never incited the masses to rebel against the rulers despite the fact that there were some corrupt rulers in their midst but allowed the people to worship Allah freely and did not oppress. We all love the Shari'ah and it is our hope to have it implemented but even the implementing requires a methodology (manjah( which has been fully laid out by the Nabiga (scw) and exercised by the salaf. So walaal, Alle-ubaahne, leave these acts that are eating your good deeds in this blessed month, guard your tongue, and take heed in the athar of the Nabiga when he said: "Whoever accusses a man of disbelief, or says, 'O enemy of Allah,' yet he is not like that, it come back upon him Sahih Muslim May Allah forgive us of our shortcomings in our deen and our worldly activities which we may have done knowingly and unknowlingly, May He accept us, and our efforts, that we do for His sake alone, ameen. Ramadhan kariim Wasalam

HornAfrique, thanks for the update. I could have verified it myself but after speaking to my father, he stated that his calls with Barre Hiiraale were intercepted with pro-ICU so thus hasn't contacted in a while. General Duke, I never knew he had so much support from the people of Gedo, I guess I am slow Wasalam

This is what happend when you attempt to overthrow the neutral position that has been keeping toghether the connection between the ICU and the TGF. So much harm has arisen from this [peaceful] takeover. [*]Creating the 30,000 Exodus which is growing at an alarming rate [*]Violent protests which resulted in to the unfortunate murder of a teenager [*]Loosing the support of Barre Hiiraale who is a key asset and forcing him to side with the TFG [*]Creating an unnecessary dagaal with Barre Hiiraale who is a force to be reckonened with [*]Forcing many devout supporters to rethink their loyalty for what they perceive, after the Kismayoo take-over, as an hidden tribalistic cause. All of these worrying and negative consequences outweigh the small beneficial gains from the take-over. Let's hope, insha'Allah, that when they reach their proclaimed goal that it doesn't serve the qabiil they hail from. I am neutral at the moment and we'll see how this works out, insha'allah.

"Barre Hiraale ayaa la sheegay inuu taageero ka helay beeshiisa,waxaana Gobolka Gedo ka socda diyaar garow dagaal oo lagu ururinayo Ciidamo taageera Qorshaha Barre Hiraale." Interesting. Mahadsanid walaal

Salama calaykum What's the update on Col. Barre Hiiraale? I have heard he is 20km away of Kismayoo. Anyone care to confirm or correct? Wasalam

Great news

Ramadhaan wanaagsan and forgive my naiveness It has been confirmed that 3500 troops left Xamar and not 20k.

loooool walaal, don't bite my head off. This is not some feeble attempt to disguise an ICU supporter under the banner of Barre's inaadeer. The source of the figure hails from an onlooker in Xamar. I do not the quantity of Abdiqadir Aadan Shire's army nor does me being a family member automatically qualify to know his prepared tactics and the quantity of his vast army Salama

As-salama calaykuum What is with these facetious remarks and semi-ambigious smilies. Didn't the nabiga (scw) clearly instruct us to be clear in speech.

Insha'Allah, we'll see how this plays out so that we can witness the true intentions of both parties. I am neutral at the moment despite the fact that Barre Aaden Shire is my inadeer (first cousin). My position lies with Islam and we'll see at the end which party instills Islam in their conduct. Salama

I am not joking walaal and these numbers are not far stretched

Does anyone the number of the cidamada that Barre Aaden Shire is controlling? According to someone from Xamar, 20,000 ciidan, 35 taangi and 350 teknicals have left Xamar heading to Kismayoo.

Suleyman, How issues are dealt with in Saudi Arabia does carry a lot of weight. Most Muslims worldwide have been receiving financial aid and also indoctrination (religious views) from Saudi Arabia and therefore their views trickle down to Muslims all over the world. It is also home to Makka and Medina, the centre of Islam. As-salaam Alaikuum Firstly, The 'ulema in Saudi Arabia have clarified that they did not prohibit women from driving, rather they advised, further, it is not based on the Glorious Qur'aan and the Sunnah but rather on the present condition in Saudi Arabia. I have never heard the Saudi 'ulema issue a fatwaa that driving is haram. Secondly, we look at the interpretations of the hadeeth from the salaf and the Imaams who followed them exactly in faith. We stop where they stopped and do not try to interpret any of the legislation according to our whims and desires. Frankly, if we take the hadeeth literal, then it does not possess a great danger as the hadeeth is clarified by the Prophet himself. What posses a great danger is if the hadeeth is taken out of context. As for the spiritual accountability, then you have re-endorsed what I previously mentioned brother. Let me re-quote myself: Allaah views his servants as equal, whether they are man or woman. Women are equal as a human being and as a partner in life The women are not inferior in terms of Deen, this is not what I have stated nor is what the Imaams have stated. Rather, the Prophet explained that their defiency is 'cause of her menses and she leaves off prayers and fasting. When some women asked the Prophet: "O Messenger of Allah, what is this deficiency in our intelligence and religion?" He replied: "Isn't it that a woman's testimony as a witness is half of the testimony of man?" They said: "Yes." He said: "This, then, is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that when she is in her menses, she leaves off prayers and fasting?" They said: "Yes." He said: "This is the deficiency in her religion." In other words, she is neither sinful nor blameworthy because she has to miss some of the prayers and fasts, in fact by obeying that command (i.e. leave prayer and fast during mensens), she obeys Allaah and receives blessings and ergo, there is no case of 'inferiority'. It is simply their nature. When the Prophet attested to the perfect character of the four best women of mankind, he did not refer to their menustration and asserted that they did not go through menstruation, rather he was refering to their strength of intellect, their good character, and soundness of opinion. I also would like to mention some points that you have raised. This hadeeth in no way is used to hold women back from work, in fact, this hadeeth does not even mention or indirectly references work. Further, Allaah says that the best of you is the one who has the most taqwa. Just because women were created with a specific nature and a specific role it does not mean that she cannot excel over and above a man in terms of her obedience to Allaah and her drawing nearer to Allaah, nor does it mean that she cannot be more beloved to Allaah than many men. As for leadership, then it has been established that no woman can assume leadership. Imaam al-Muwaffaq Ibn Qudaamah said: For this reason the Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his successors (Caliphs) and those who came after them never appointed a woman to be a judge or a governor of a province, as far as we know. If it were permissible, it should have happened." Instead of finding a loophole in the hadeeth, why don't we just 'hear and obey'. As-salaam Alaikuum As-salaam Alaikuum

As-salaam Alaikuum I must first mention that the reports he mentioned in the al-Ihyaa have no chain of narrations (sanad). He simply reports them. To name a few examples, the hadeeth about Salaatur-Raghaa’ib, the hadeeth that the sahabas are the station of the stars in the sky so whichever of them you take, you will be guided. The hadeeth about the salaah for the middle of Sha'baan. The Qudsi hadeeth: ""Neither My Heaven nor My earth can contain Me, but the soft humble heart of my believing servant can contain Me" Imaam al-‘Iraaqi discusses all the reports found in the Ihyaa and whether they are authenthic or not in his takhreej of Ihyaa. As-salaam Alaikuum

As-salaam Alaikuum brother Khayr I am confused whether you actually understood what I stated in my previous reply. The statement of Ibn Hajar: Some have taken them as they have come, believing in them without specificity, declaring Allah to be transcendent above modality (kayfiyya) and likeness to creation (tashbih): these are the vast majority of the Salaf. That position is reported by al-Bayhaqi and others from the Four Imams, Sufyan ibn `Uyayna, Sufyan al-Thawri, Hammad ibn Salama, Hammad ibn Zayd, al-Awza`i, al-Layth, and others. Is the view of the Salaf and this is what I have stated because it neglects taweel. Furthermore, you quoted some of the later scholars that dwelved in to taweel. One should note that just because some later scholars fell into this innovation, does in no way indicate that it’s permissible to apply taweel. It is important however to make one thing clear: that any scholar, who is sincere and desiring the truth, when he exercises his ijtihaad and arrives at a wrong ruling, then even if that ruling is an innovation, the scholar is still rewarded for his ijtihaad and the label of innovator can never be applied to him. There are some scholars who had mistakes and dwelved in to taweel and I already gave you the example of Imaam Ibn al-Jawzee. What matters is that the salaf never practised taweel. You quoted Ibn Hajar that most of the Imaams didnt make taweel on the hadeeth of the Nuzool while in the statement; you quoted endores the view that Nuzool means Mercy. If the Salaf did not make taweel of Nuzool, what makes you think that we have to adopt the ijtihaad of the latter scholars? Should one follow the Salaf or the Khalaf? Imam Ala al-Din Attar (student of Imaam Nawawee) says: And all of the verses and ahaadeeth affirming Coming and Nuzool, and affirming face and other than that from the Attributes, the scholars obligated faith in them, and leaving contemplation of them and or depicting a form for them….. And this is what Imaam ibn Hajar had said. As for the last quote, then that is a lie. The salaf never practised taweel. Some of the Asharees twist the statements of the Imaams so bad in order to justify taweel. Sunniforum and sunnah.org are Asharee websites so I am not surprised. As Ibn al-Jawzee said: "Be a Shafi'ite, but not an Ashareete; be a Hanafeete, but not a Mu'tazileete, be a Hanbaleete, but not an anthropomorphist" Asalaam Alaikuum

Originally posted by Viking: As-salaam Alaikuum brother Viking Yes, Imaam Ghazaalee (may Allaah have mercy on him) was at one point very critical of the philosophers and he refuted them and shortly before he passed away, he went back to the madhhab of the Salaf and died with Saheeh Bukharee on his chest. However, his refutations regarding the people of kalaam were writen in his last book the Iljaam and that was his last stage and I presume that you’re referring to that stage. The book Ihyaa was written when he was still an Asharee Soofee. He narrated many false reports about the early Soofees (who were on a path of moderateness) and this has been identified by his contemporaries and the imaams after his death. The Imaam had an extensive knowledge in Fiqh but he was very weak in the sciences of hadeeth and hence reported anything without any sanad. Imaam Ibn al-Jawzee said in al-Muntazeem: "He began to write the book al-Ihyaa in al-Quds and finished it in Damascus, however, he wrote it upon the way of the Soofis and did away with the rules of Fiqh in it. For example, regarding effacing of honour and fighting the self, he mentions that a man wished to efface his own honour, so he entered a public bath and put on someone else's clothes, then he put his own clothes on top of them and went out walking slowly so that the people could catch him. So they took them back from him and called him 'The Thief of the Public Baths'. Shaykh-ul-Islaam ibn Tamiyyah says in Majmoo’ul-Fataawaa: "Aboo Haamid mentions in al-Ihyaa the saying of those philosophers who interpret away that they went too far in their interpretation, and that the Hanbalees went too far in sticking to the textual wording, and he quotes Ahmad Ibn Hanbal as saying that which he did not say. And he did not know what Ahmad said, nor what others of the Salaf said about this, nor what occurs in the Qur’aan and the Hadeeth about it!" Imaam Ibn Katheer says in al-Bidaayah wan-Nihaayah: "And in this period he wrote his book Ihyaa ‘Uloomud-Deen and it is an amazing book containing many of the branches of the knowledge of the Sharee‘ah, and mixed with it are some agreeable things from Soofism and actions of the heart. However, it contains many ahaadeeth unheard of, and those which are weak and contradict authentic ones as well as fabricated ahaadeeth, just as there are in other books about those, used as evidence for things which are Halaal or Haraam; and the book which is written for softening the hearts and for inciting to good and inspiring fear of the evil, then their matter is easier compared to other books. Abul-Faraj Ibnul-Jawzee, and then Ibnus-Salaah denounced him very strongly, and al- Maazaree wanted his book to be burnt, and likewise did the people in the West, and they said, "This book is a revival of the knowledge of his Deen. However, for our Deen, then its revival is that of its knowledge in the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger", as I have reported in his biography in at-Tabaqaat, Ibn Shukr declared many parts of Ihyaa ‘Uloomud-Deen to consist of false reports and he showed their falsity in a useful book, and al-Ghazzaalee used to say, "I have only a small stock regarding Hadeeth...." And these are some statements of the Imaams. As-salaam Alaikuum

As-salaam Alaikuum I remain accused for citing the statements of the imaams regarding that hadeeth. Some even charge me for inventing some half-baked opinions on this hadeeth whilst they simultaneously offer their oponions on the interpretations of the hadeeth. The apologetic attitude that some here possess which stems from the western mindset is quite appalling. Allaah has created man and women for separate roles and gave some superior positions than others. For instance, our Prophet has been made the best of creation; does that indicate that all the other Prophets are inferior? Abu Bakr was the most superior companion; does that mean that the rest of the sahabas are inferior? The Qur'aan is the most superior of all the revealed Scriptures; does that indicate that the Injeel, the Tauwrat and the rest of the Scriptures do not carry any importance? Makkah is the mother of all cities; does that mean that the rest of the cities are not worthy to be mentioned? Jibreel has been made superior than all the other angels. These are simple illustrations to demonstrate that Allaah has favoured some over others. People keep forgetting that Islaam is a Deen of equity. Allaah created everyone different. Men and women are assigned different roles. In some cases, women are superior to men whilst in other cases men are superior to women but it has been agreed and is mentioned in the Qur'aan that men as a class are superior in the sense that Allaah bestowed them strength and the roles of guardianship. For example, Dr. Rovareen wrote in Encyclopaedia: “The power of a muscle of a woman is one third weaker than that of a man. The heart of a woman is small and weak compared to the man's heart. Every woman's heart is 60 grams smaller than an average man's heart. Besides this, the grasping power of a man is more than that of a woman.†Allaah views his servants as equal, whether they are man or woman. Women are equal as a human being and as a partner in life and that's why the Prophet said: "Women are the second half of men." Just because Allaah did not grant women the quality of strength in no way indicates that they are automatically inferior and thus degraded. In the Qur'aan, men have responsibility over women, spend on behalf of women, protect them and satisfy their needs in general. Men are required to wage Jihaad whilst the women are exempted it due their physical abilities. Men, according to their nature are more rational and use their intellectual powers more than women since women are more influenced with emotion and I am talking about generalities here. However and this is attested by the 'ulemaa that at the individual level, there are women who are superior than men in certain areas that men in general excel women. That's according to their fitra. In fact there are certain tasks where women are superior to men. Each gender excels in his own field and each play vital roles to complement each other. And insha’Allaah Muslims should accept that instead of playing the apologetic role that all women and men are equal in all aspects. Instead of complaining why you have not been granted a certain quality, one should count the Favours of Allaah and be responsible for what you are granted, for surely, you will be asked on the Day of Recompense. This is evident in the hadeeth that Imaam Ahmad recorded in his Musnad. Umm Salamah said, "O Messenger of Allaah! Men go to battle, but we do not go to battle, and we earn one-half of the inheritance (that men get). Allaah sent down the aayah: And wish not for the things in which Allaah has made some of you to excel others For men there is reward for what they have earned, (and likewise) for women there is reward for what they have earned, and ask Allah of His Bounty Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knower of everything (an-Nisaa:32) And Imaam Ibn Katheer said: Therefore, the aayah states: "Do not wish for what other people were endowed with over you, for this is a decision that will come to pass, and wishing does not change its decree. However, ask Me of My favor and I will grant it to you, for I Am Most Generous and Most Giving." Brother Viking wrote: . These countries are Muslim countries that are highly advanced nations in terms of technology. Saudi Arabia, which is more of a monarchy than a theocracy excludes women from driving cars, flying aeroplanes, local politics etc. I do not nescessiarly agree with that. The ruling on barring women from driving is based on the fatwaa of Imaam bin Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him). It's a itjihaad from him and has no ruling on the rest of the Muslim Ummah. However, I agree with his fatwa wholeheartedly. Some have the misconception that it's an agenda to degrade women but on the contrary. The ruling was passed for the safety of the Muslim women there. I will quote the [news] article explaining the wisdom behind the ruling: JEDDAH, 6 June 2005 — Sheikh Abdullah ibn Munee, a member of the Council of Senior Ulema which is the Kingdom’s highest religious body, said the council had not discussed the issue of women driving in its past sessions. “The issue was never brought up in any of our sessions,†Sheikh Ibn Munee said in an exclusive statement to Arab News. The scholar stated that those who have announced either through the Internet or in leaflets that women driving is religiously forbidden — haram — were not telling the truth. “We never said it was haram for women to drive,†said Ibn Munee. He clarified that some members of the committee had, however, expressed their own personal views. “We do not say it is haram but we say that it is for the good of our daughters not to drive.†Sheikh Ibn Munee did say that Saudi society was not yet ready for women to drive. Al-Madinah newspaper, however, stated that the council may discuss the issue officially at one of their sessions in two months. Sheikh Alfowzan, another member of the Council of Senior Ulema, stated in a reply to the Shoura Council member, Mohammed Al-Zulfa, that the financial cost of bringing foreign drivers was much less than a loss of honor. The sheikh was referring to the possibility that women driving could lead to immorality and a loss of honor. A number of female voices have raised questions reflecting their confusion about the situation. Khowla Al-Khaldi, a teacher from Jeddah, said, “If the Ulema Council were not going to discuss the issue, and the vice-chairman of the Shoura Council said that the matter was for the Ulema and the Minister of Interior, Prince Naif, said that the matter is social rather than religious, then to whom shall we look for answers?†Manal Tashkandi said that she had been searching for years for someone to rule on the issue. “I am not keen on driving but for God’s sake, when will this hassle end?†said Tashkandi who has a British driving license. A few women expressed satisfaction about women not being allowed to drive. Nahla Al-Swailih, a banker in Riyadh, said that she was not interested in driving in the Kingdom although she has an international driving license. “I can never imagine myself driving in these streets which are filled with lunatics driving madly,†said Al-Swalih. Muna Bukhari said that she agreed with Ibn Munee’s comment about society. “Unfortunately, our young men need to be taught proper behavior and respect before we women can be allowed to drive,†said Bukhari. She added that one could sense what problems women drivers would face by simply being aware of the harassment they are subjected to in malls. Saad Al-Matrafi, Arab News Asalaam Alaikuum

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^I also wish you could address your fellow sisters as respectably as you could without resorting to cheap and phantom scientific research. You've already went off topic when you indulged us all in the lowest level of this discussion one could reside; gender x vs. y. How do you measure intelligence, good brother? As me calling you dude, though I don’t think dude is particularly offensive word, still apologies saaxiib. But the irony is really suffocating in that you are offended by dude , yet adamant about posting shallow and selective quotes of some learned scholars that assert women to be less intelligent than men. Now, all is not lost so lets restore the decency of this discussion or at least allow bro Nur to give its last rites. As-salaam Alaikuum I seem to have the impression that I am going circles in spite of the fact that I clarified the issue on the intelligence part by quoting the statements of the scholars. Now instead of acknowledging these statements, you cling to the initial ambiguous statement. In fact, without introducing the commentaries, I flat-out state the hadeeth from the Prophet. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "I have never seen among those who have a deficiency in their intellect and their religion anyone more capable than women of swaying the intellect of the most determined of men." So here, the Prophet states the deficiency in their intellect without elobarating. At the first glance of this statement, you would have concluded that the hadeeth advocates woman-bashing. Rather on the contrary. Without the clarification from the commentaries. The deficiency in their intellect is their reason. Now I am not going to re-iterate an already established point but I do not see the justification to repeat the first few unclarified lines of the Shaykh's statement. In regards to the 'dude' comment. It is not the adaab of the Sharee'ah. What happend to the plain old 'brother' or 'sister' when addressing a believer. Lastly, insha'Allaah in the near future, I will enclose the references for the defiency in reason. This is not 'cheap phantom scientific research' as you have asserted but well referenced and well-conducted research. As-salaam Alaikuum

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: ^^waxaan dux lahayn baad ku noq-noqonaysaa. give it up, dude. As-salaam Alaikuum I rather wish not to go off-topic but why should one rather give up posting the statements of the Imaams? Isn't the primary aim to take knowledge from these statements? I really wish if you could address me as your brother in Islaam instead of 'dude'. Jazaka'Allaahu khairun in advance Wasalaam Alaikuum