Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: I would arrest everybody and open a rehabilitation centers until everybody is back to the humanity Lets arrest everybody and put them into bondage. Lets call our jail a nation and our bonds LAWS. Its now time to create the bonds -the laws. We will then Insha ALLAH go on to creating the jail-the nation.

Originally posted by J.a.c.a.y.l.b.a.r.o: I would arrest everybody and open a rehabilitation centers until everybody is back to the humanity Lets arrest everybody and put them into bondage. Lets call our jail a nation and our bonds LAWS. Its now time to create the bonds -the laws. We will then Insha ALLAH go on to creating the jail-the nation.

Originally posted by Emperor: If I were to set laws? Why only setting law, that's seems not to be fun, I would have like it better had you said If you were to rule? I like to rule more than just setting laws, boring as hell, and why only Somalia.... If I had the power to do something, I would put Osama in the white house make him the President of the States. Sure to set laws is not fun but i think it will lead to fun if that is what you prefer or happiness should you value that more. To set laws ,you must first find the right laws bearing in mind that they will rule not you ? To rule however is fun when you are at the top. Because first they wont probably bind you and secondly you wont need to boggle your mind to find the right balance after taking all into account. But it wont be fun for all else concerned and will no doubt lead to missery in the future because the complexities of running a nation is way beyond one mans abilities. Imagine being given authority to decide on say drivers of motor vehicles for one day in say a small town. We will do away with all the traffic lights and round abouts and rules. Will you manage to get everyone where they need to be and in time and without any problems.Will you even be able to absorb all the imformation and will you be able to be at all places all of the times. The answer to that is surely no, if you were to honour the responsibility. But here is the magic a few rules that give the right of way will do this for us over an entire nation or over the entire world. All that those rules have done is give responsibility to those that must later bear the costs-how ingenious!

Originally posted by Emperor: If I were to set laws? Why only setting law, that's seems not to be fun, I would have like it better had you said If you were to rule? I like to rule more than just setting laws, boring as hell, and why only Somalia.... If I had the power to do something, I would put Osama in the white house make him the President of the States. Sure to set laws is not fun but i think it will lead to fun if that is what you prefer or happiness should you value that more. To set laws ,you must first find the right laws bearing in mind that they will rule not you ? To rule however is fun when you are at the top. Because first they wont probably bind you and secondly you wont need to boggle your mind to find the right balance after taking all into account. But it wont be fun for all else concerned and will no doubt lead to missery in the future because the complexities of running a nation is way beyond one mans abilities. Imagine being given authority to decide on say drivers of motor vehicles for one day in say a small town. We will do away with all the traffic lights and round abouts and rules. Will you manage to get everyone where they need to be and in time and without any problems.Will you even be able to absorb all the imformation and will you be able to be at all places all of the times. The answer to that is surely no, if you were to honour the responsibility. But here is the magic a few rules that give the right of way will do this for us over an entire nation or over the entire world. All that those rules have done is give responsibility to those that must later bear the costs-how ingenious!

Originally posted by Seekknowledge: quote: I think they are best left for our elders, religious and intellectual leaders to deal with. These are the same people causing the problems. The era of the elders is over the world has changed and the youth of today don't care about qabil. The elders need to retire and give space to the youth. About religious and intellectual leaders I find these group to be more dangerous cause the elders still live in the past but at least they do what they think is best. There is this organization they call themselves somali intellectuals, how do you define intellectual somalis? Anyone with a University degree or belonging to a certain group? Religious which ones are all sects considered religious? I dislike tribalism also, in fact i fight it every oportunity i get, but qabiil is surely different from qabilaysi or tibalism. Tribalism is when tribe decides everything including justice. Do you really care how much one loves his tribe if what is righlty yours will always be given to you and without hassle and or ill feelings? To that question my answer would be no, not at all. In fact i'll encourage them to love themselves ,their families ,their tribe ,their nation ,life and ALLAH (swt). Although that is my preffered order yours and anybody else's may differ ofcourse.

Originally posted by Seekknowledge: quote: I think they are best left for our elders, religious and intellectual leaders to deal with. These are the same people causing the problems. The era of the elders is over the world has changed and the youth of today don't care about qabil. The elders need to retire and give space to the youth. About religious and intellectual leaders I find these group to be more dangerous cause the elders still live in the past but at least they do what they think is best. There is this organization they call themselves somali intellectuals, how do you define intellectual somalis? Anyone with a University degree or belonging to a certain group? Religious which ones are all sects considered religious? I dislike tribalism also, in fact i fight it every oportunity i get, but qabiil is surely different from qabilaysi or tibalism. Tribalism is when tribe decides everything including justice. Do you really care how much one loves his tribe if what is righlty yours will always be given to you and without hassle and or ill feelings? To that question my answer would be no, not at all. In fact i'll encourage them to love themselves ,their families ,their tribe ,their nation ,life and ALLAH (swt). Although that is my preffered order yours and anybody else's may differ ofcourse.

Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood: good answers - but they are just that! Soomaalidu waa isma dhaantiyo dhasheed wada madax adag. Like the Abwaan said 'Dubkoodan sare waxaa ku sii xiga diir kaloo adage' Maasha ALLAH if we can get good answers to important questions we are already halfway there for deeds -actions -can then follow. But no answers or solutions no actions right?

Originally posted by Laba_Xiniinyood: good answers - but they are just that! Soomaalidu waa isma dhaantiyo dhasheed wada madax adag. Like the Abwaan said 'Dubkoodan sare waxaa ku sii xiga diir kaloo adage' Maasha ALLAH if we can get good answers to important questions we are already halfway there for deeds -actions -can then follow. But no answers or solutions no actions right?

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: Ifka iyo Aakhiro, kusoo dhawoow golahaan, duqa. Will answer your questions mar kale, though. Waad mahadsantahay Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar waana dhawahay. Dadkeenan cusub-aniga- yaysan war idin kudaalin ee talo mahayaan e wa taloraadis.

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar: Ifka iyo Aakhiro, kusoo dhawoow golahaan, duqa. Will answer your questions mar kale, though. Waad mahadsantahay Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar waana dhawahay. Dadkeenan cusub-aniga- yaysan war idin kudaalin ee talo mahayaan e wa taloraadis.

Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale: -Female 'only' Presidential Election Did you mean "female also" presidential elections

Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale: -Female 'only' Presidential Election Did you mean "female also" presidential elections

Originally posted by Xoogsade: I am on the extreme and favour strict interpretation of islam to tame volatile and inherently hypocritic society deep in clan worship, so: A- Only islam is the law of the land. B- No place for Clan in leadership. C- Relentless and perpetual war on any group, clan or entity who opposes islamic laws. Most severe violence would be targetted at somalis who raise their voice against islamic based government for clanish reasons. I think I would be content to wipe such somalis off from the map. Declaration of war on clanism, which is a form of preislamic culture, ruthless measures aimed at such culture and people who excuse it even if they are praying five times a day should be the new laws of the land, no excuse for hypocrisy. Their islam means nothing and is only a cover for their mischief, so mow them down if they don't capitulate to the rule of islamic law. I think such measures will downsize the somali population but those who remain will be honest muslims afterwards. Give me my blessed war on clanists. Any thing short of fighting clanism, clan based movements devoid of islamic platform will be living in endless state of confusion and delusions. Our problems have their roots in Qabiil, Our evils draw their strength from Qabiil, our lack of faith, our hypocrisy, the ineffectual islam even if some of us are showing signs of islamic practice all have their roots on valuing clan, so, Any government will have to make its prime objective uprooting clanism and clan related vile culture, silencing its proponents with deadly force, fight it with religious fervor, otherwise, I think Somalia should be devided into smaller single clan localities having no relations with one another. That way, somalis can go back to their old nomadic roots of living side by side with each clan free from the hypocrisy and greed of the other. This so called nation-state with no islamic platform empowered the most vile among us and the result is bloodlust. Time to go back to islam or else disband the somali clans. It is Either islam or disband somalia. Xoogsade saxiib i have to say that i disagree with you. However recognising your wishes being different from mine and that we have equal rights and say as concerning our land and laws for they will govern us equaly insha ALLAH we will then be forced to come to an agreement that will hopefully let you live your life as you wish and mine as i wish. To force or any other somali to live as you wish them will probably not give you peace of mind and stability much needed to fight other things in life eg starvation ,disease and not to mention you will weaken us so much so us not to resist foreign invation. That you do by first spending heavily to solve internal problems of your making and secondly by killing inovation and creativity. Having said that i have to add that i am a muslim just like you and given the opportunity and if i have the ability i will preech islam to somalis and the world but rather than force it upon them i will seek for them to accept it of their own accord. I think diin should compete for peoples hearts and minds and religious leaders must then learn diin so much so as to present the best that it has to offer to the community.

Originally posted by Xoogsade: I am on the extreme and favour strict interpretation of islam to tame volatile and inherently hypocritic society deep in clan worship, so: A- Only islam is the law of the land. B- No place for Clan in leadership. C- Relentless and perpetual war on any group, clan or entity who opposes islamic laws. Most severe violence would be targetted at somalis who raise their voice against islamic based government for clanish reasons. I think I would be content to wipe such somalis off from the map. Declaration of war on clanism, which is a form of preislamic culture, ruthless measures aimed at such culture and people who excuse it even if they are praying five times a day should be the new laws of the land, no excuse for hypocrisy. Their islam means nothing and is only a cover for their mischief, so mow them down if they don't capitulate to the rule of islamic law. I think such measures will downsize the somali population but those who remain will be honest muslims afterwards. Give me my blessed war on clanists. Any thing short of fighting clanism, clan based movements devoid of islamic platform will be living in endless state of confusion and delusions. Our problems have their roots in Qabiil, Our evils draw their strength from Qabiil, our lack of faith, our hypocrisy, the ineffectual islam even if some of us are showing signs of islamic practice all have their roots on valuing clan, so, Any government will have to make its prime objective uprooting clanism and clan related vile culture, silencing its proponents with deadly force, fight it with religious fervor, otherwise, I think Somalia should be devided into smaller single clan localities having no relations with one another. That way, somalis can go back to their old nomadic roots of living side by side with each clan free from the hypocrisy and greed of the other. This so called nation-state with no islamic platform empowered the most vile among us and the result is bloodlust. Time to go back to islam or else disband the somali clans. It is Either islam or disband somalia. Xoogsade saxiib i have to say that i disagree with you. However recognising your wishes being different from mine and that we have equal rights and say as concerning our land and laws for they will govern us equaly insha ALLAH we will then be forced to come to an agreement that will hopefully let you live your life as you wish and mine as i wish. To force or any other somali to live as you wish them will probably not give you peace of mind and stability much needed to fight other things in life eg starvation ,disease and not to mention you will weaken us so much so us not to resist foreign invation. That you do by first spending heavily to solve internal problems of your making and secondly by killing inovation and creativity. Having said that i have to add that i am a muslim just like you and given the opportunity and if i have the ability i will preech islam to somalis and the world but rather than force it upon them i will seek for them to accept it of their own accord. I think diin should compete for peoples hearts and minds and religious leaders must then learn diin so much so as to present the best that it has to offer to the community.

Originally posted by Nin-Yaaban: If i was to set the Laws, this is what it would look like: All Somalis are Equal No one group can claim to be superior to any other Elections in every 5yrs no one could serve more than one 5yr term, this is so we dont have someone abusing power. National Supreme Court this should be like the biggest court in the country, and they can over rule the government and the president if they violate anything. this is so that there are checks and balances, and the gov't is held accountable for its actions. y'know, just things along those lines. nin-yaaban I agree with you on the last two but i am not sure how the first one can be incorporated into the legal framework. I think that for example to say that "no one may refuse to exchange goods for legal tender by objecting that someone is of the wrong tribe or religion or colour" can in fact be made into law. Were you thinking along those lines ?

Originally posted by Nin-Yaaban: If i was to set the Laws, this is what it would look like: All Somalis are Equal No one group can claim to be superior to any other Elections in every 5yrs no one could serve more than one 5yr term, this is so we dont have someone abusing power. National Supreme Court this should be like the biggest court in the country, and they can over rule the government and the president if they violate anything. this is so that there are checks and balances, and the gov't is held accountable for its actions. y'know, just things along those lines. nin-yaaban I agree with you on the last two but i am not sure how the first one can be incorporated into the legal framework. I think that for example to say that "no one may refuse to exchange goods for legal tender by objecting that someone is of the wrong tribe or religion or colour" can in fact be made into law. Were you thinking along those lines ?

Originally posted by Seekknowledge: quote:To ban qabiil will probably be conterproductive and cause more harm and can ever be solved by it, i think but i understand what you mean and to think that qabiil has caused so much death and destruction is heart breaking. Why? Because qabiil is part of our identity and to take it away by force is injust and will not be easy and can even strenghten qabiil bonds. I thought part of governments duties was to protect what was ones own from being taken away by force. It cant then do the very thing its supposed to stop. Besides the new government will probably be more effective if it concentrated on illegal activities rather than fight cultural problems. I think they are best left for our elders, religious and intellectual leaders to deal with. To be effective i think is very important for it sends messages of power, of an able governement and that forces many if not most criminals to think twice. And lastly i think do such a thing as ban tribes a government will probably be overstepping its jurisdiction. However a wise government will probably give as much power as possible to the clan elders thereby gaining their cooperation. This will probably save the government alot of money to be used otherwise according to priority as in pressing needs and the greater need for progress. I dont know, maybe we should first decide what governments are for. I assume that we all agree that governments are for defence- internal and external and to enable opportunities otherwise denied by lack of capital by joinly contributiong to the common pot i.e. infrastructure etc

Originally posted by Seekknowledge: quote:To ban qabiil will probably be conterproductive and cause more harm and can ever be solved by it, i think but i understand what you mean and to think that qabiil has caused so much death and destruction is heart breaking. Why? Because qabiil is part of our identity and to take it away by force is injust and will not be easy and can even strenghten qabiil bonds. I thought part of governments duties was to protect what was ones own from being taken away by force. It cant then do the very thing its supposed to stop. Besides the new government will probably be more effective if it concentrated on illegal activities rather than fight cultural problems. I think they are best left for our elders, religious and intellectual leaders to deal with. To be effective i think is very important for it sends messages of power, of an able governement and that forces many if not most criminals to think twice. And lastly i think do such a thing as ban tribes a government will probably be overstepping its jurisdiction. However a wise government will probably give as much power as possible to the clan elders thereby gaining their cooperation. This will probably save the government alot of money to be used otherwise according to priority as in pressing needs and the greater need for progress. I dont know, maybe we should first decide what governments are for. I assume that we all agree that governments are for defence- internal and external and to enable opportunities otherwise denied by lack of capital by joinly contributiong to the common pot i.e. infrastructure etc

Marcassmith I think you are alright and i can only admire your courage but you must know by now that from insults can come no positives. May this new year bring you new insights..amiin

Originally posted by Seekknowledge: quote:where do u c other muslims that beat each other in community meetings? Ehmm Malaysia Indonesia etc. To set laws in Somalia 1. Ban Qabil anyone using that word minimum 5 years in prison. 2. Ban Khat (death punishment) 3. The government should be elected by the people somalis are intelligent enough if given the choice they will choose the right candidate 4. No religious sect should rule over the others 5. None of the current members government or opposition should be allowed to run ever in somali politics. 6. Any candidate should prove beyond reasonable doubt he/she is clean from fraud or supporting any of the former warlords, living in other people's properties or participated in shedding somali blood 7. Any journalist using the qabil card should be arrested. To ban qabiil will probably be conterproductive and cause more harm and can ever be solved by it, i think but i understand what you mean and to think that qabiil has caused so much death and destruction is heart breaking. Banning khat is very good in my opinion but we will soon run into another problem ;namely one of affordability. A weak government like ours has no money and to track law breakers and bring them to justice is costly. I think its probably something for the future but for now i'd suggest legalising and gradually taxing it out of reach of most people. I do agree with you on N0 4 Numbers 5 and 6 although i agree with you in principle ,to bring that to reality is beyond our abilities for now in my opinion. Well have to wrestle power from them and we have none and they have all the power so maybe working with them is probably a safer option for all of us. On the last one i am not too sure what the best option is as regards journalist. I would not jail them but seek their cooperation until the turbulence is over and all is safer. I dont really know in all honesty.

Originally posted by Seekknowledge: quote:where do u c other muslims that beat each other in community meetings? Ehmm Malaysia Indonesia etc. To set laws in Somalia 1. Ban Qabil anyone using that word minimum 5 years in prison. 2. Ban Khat (death punishment) 3. The government should be elected by the people somalis are intelligent enough if given the choice they will choose the right candidate 4. No religious sect should rule over the others 5. None of the current members government or opposition should be allowed to run ever in somali politics. 6. Any candidate should prove beyond reasonable doubt he/she is clean from fraud or supporting any of the former warlords, living in other people's properties or participated in shedding somali blood 7. Any journalist using the qabil card should be arrested. To ban qabiil will probably be conterproductive and cause more harm and can ever be solved by it, i think but i understand what you mean and to think that qabiil has caused so much death and destruction is heart breaking. Banning khat is very good in my opinion but we will soon run into another problem ;namely one of affordability. A weak government like ours has no money and to track law breakers and bring them to justice is costly. I think its probably something for the future but for now i'd suggest legalising and gradually taxing it out of reach of most people. I do agree with you on N0 4 Numbers 5 and 6 although i agree with you in principle ,to bring that to reality is beyond our abilities for now in my opinion. Well have to wrestle power from them and we have none and they have all the power so maybe working with them is probably a safer option for all of us. On the last one i am not too sure what the best option is as regards journalist. I would not jail them but seek their cooperation until the turbulence is over and all is safer. I dont really know in all honesty.

Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale I have to say that was a good answer and very funny as well. Khalaf Dont you think that discussions and debates can change peoples views or maybe beliefs and even if you have no intentions of going back home now you may change your opinion if things were different and the difference is were you may be able to contribute to by joining such a discussion or debate. I may be wrong but i think more than anythink else our problems are due to the fact that our intelectual and religious leader have failed miserably in guiding the people to the right path. They could have done this by holding discussions and debates to clarify things and by simply preeching for peace and harmony. But i apologise for i dont like pointing fingers of blame i'd rather try and do something myself.

Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale I have to say that was a good answer and very funny as well. Khalaf Dont you think that discussions and debates can change peoples views or maybe beliefs and even if you have no intentions of going back home now you may change your opinion if things were different and the difference is were you may be able to contribute to by joining such a discussion or debate. I may be wrong but i think more than anythink else our problems are due to the fact that our intelectual and religious leader have failed miserably in guiding the people to the right path. They could have done this by holding discussions and debates to clarify things and by simply preeching for peace and harmony. But i apologise for i dont like pointing fingers of blame i'd rather try and do something myself.

Sooner or later most of us will have to return back home insha ALLAH. If you believe like i do that we must avoid going down routes that may lead to what we must now endure as somalis in terms of flight from the homeland, deaths and destruction to property, then it is obvious that we need to start debating on important issues. Issues such as what must be law and what not are probably on top of the list of priorities for discussion and debate. So i propose ,as a sample of somalis we start now and in doing so be prepared to listen and respect other peoples views and concerns. No one is oblivious to the results of force as a means of persuation and even if one succeeds in the short term it will never really succeed in bringing about prosperity for an important ingredient the willingness to cooperate can not achieved by this methord ,in my opinion. And history of dictatorships is probably a good example of what awaits such attempts. So fellow somali citizens what would you forbid what will be the responsibility of the government? what powers gets who ? how about tranparency ? what must the government divulge to the public and what not? how can we make sure that power does not accumulate on one person ? etc etc you can all add to the list if you please ? I ll be brave and start this off by saying that all adult somalis are free to do with thier lives what they wish as long as they dont involve another without consent first. Forgive me dadaw for i am not an educated person and the only reason why i think this is an important issue to discuss and debate is to clarify positions and why we must take them. I believe most of the people have been hijacked by the warlords into a blackhole called tribalism and if they were clear as to what the good was and why they would probably make the right choises by themselves. I am a nationalist myself and raise somalinimo above all else. And i think that politics should not be reduced to tracking the activities of the warlords and their speeches but an honest desire to find solutions to the problem of organisation as guided by the principals of justice ,truth and common goals such as security and the rebuilding of our nation.

Sooner or later most of us will have to return back home insha ALLAH. If you believe like i do that we must avoid going down routes that may lead to what we must now endure as somalis in terms of flight from the homeland, deaths and destruction to property, then it is obvious that we need to start debating on important issues. Issues such as what must be law and what not are probably on top of the list of priorities for discussion and debate. So i propose ,as a sample of somalis we start now and in doing so be prepared to listen and respect other peoples views and concerns. No one is oblivious to the results of force as a means of persuation and even if one succeeds in the short term it will never really succeed in bringing about prosperity for an important ingredient the willingness to cooperate can not achieved by this methord ,in my opinion. And history of dictatorships is probably a good example of what awaits such attempts. So fellow somali citizens what would you forbid what will be the responsibility of the government? what powers gets who ? how about tranparency ? what must the government divulge to the public and what not? how can we make sure that power does not accumulate on one person ? etc etc you can all add to the list if you please ? I ll be brave and start this off by saying that all adult somalis are free to do with thier lives what they wish as long as they dont involve another without consent first. Forgive me dadaw for i am not an educated person and the only reason why i think this is an important issue to discuss and debate is to clarify positions and why we must take them. I believe most of the people have been hijacked by the warlords into a blackhole called tribalism and if they were clear as to what the good was and why they would probably make the right choises by themselves. I am a nationalist myself and raise somalinimo above all else. And i think that politics should not be reduced to tracking the activities of the warlords and their speeches but an honest desire to find solutions to the problem of organisation as guided by the principals of justice ,truth and common goals such as security and the rebuilding of our nation.