Juma, going to Xamar to see the family, visit friends or for a break from Nairobi is not the point at all. Going for government business, or as a mesaage to the President/PM requires a large number a figure of upwards 138 MP’s. Warlords, resentful politicians and so called intellectuals have been trying to pump us with “hot air†and use the issue of frontline troops and Mogadishu as a way of derailing the peace process and destroying the government. Xoogsade, the decision to relocate and to where is up to the cabinet and it has decided that Jowhar and Baidoa are the chosen cities. Mogadishu as you can appreciate will take a little bit longer. What message it sends depends, to me it sends a message of caution preparation and foresight, rushing may end up causing further mayhem which will not help, ignoring the experience of former “governments†would be suicidal.

OG-Girl a tough lady to deal with indeed, sister we need more like you and less of the people trying to criticise you. Yes Saudi arabia has a monstrous regime. Indeed it pains me that my fellow Somali brothers were executed in such cruel and inhumane manner without due process under the "law". If you insult Arab;s or try to be a patriot the situation is still the same and the deed will not be undone. The six who got murdered are no different to the countless who die everyday inside the motherland or trying to escape from her clutches. Demonstarting against Saudi Arabia will not ease the pain or the plight of the nation. Bracketing together and generalising the whole Arab people, our own kinsmen and brothers in Islam will only further push us deeper into the dark mist. Lets forgive the wrong doers, support and champion the victims who are the majority of our people. Lets demonstarte for peace, for unity, lets work harder and gain that illusive lost dignity. May Allah SWT, give peace to the dead,give courage to their families and loved ones, heal the muslim wounds and forgive us for our mortal mistakes...

The minority MP’s some say 30 others say 15 in Xamar represent the disgruntled road block owners and scrap merchants who have again betray the Somali people by trying to foal the fruits the people were so looking forward to peace.. Duke.... Xildhibaano iyo Wasiiro ka tirsan Dowlada Federaalka Soomaaliya ayaa dhaleeceeyey xildhibaanadii Muqdisho tegay. Posted to the Web Apr 07, 15:48 Nairobi:-Golayaasha xukuumada iyo Baarlamaanka xubno ka tirsan ayaa maanta dhaleeceyn dusha uga tuuray Xildhibaanadii tegay Magaalada Muqdisho iyo kuwii horay u jeegayba. Wasiirka Kalluumeysiga an Abshir Faarax, Wasiir Ku Xigeenka Warfaafinta Salaad Cali Jeele, Xildhibaan C/laahi Axmed Afrax iyo xubno kale oo badan ayaa ku tilmaamay socdaalka ay qaar ka tirsan Baarlamaanku ku tageen Magaalada Muqdisho waxay ku tilmaameen mid sharci daro ah oo ujeeddo kale wata. Waxay kaloo sheegeen in xaalada Muqdisho aysan waxba ka qaban Karin Xildhibaanada iminka aaday, iyaga laf ahaantoodana ay u baahan yihiin wax ilaaliya, waxayna ku tilmaameen kuwa doonaya in ay fashiliyaan dowladda cusub ee dhowaan lagu soo dhisay dalka Kenya. Xubnahan ka tirsan dowladda Federaalka ee eedeynaya qaar ka tirsan Golayaasha dowladda cusub ayaa ah kuwa taageersan Madaxweynaha iyo Raysal Wasaaraha dowladda Federaalka Soomaaliya- Radio Midnimo Daabacaada:Puntlandpost.com

Magacyada Siyaasiyinta Isbaarooyinka u taala Bartamaha Magaalada Muqdisho. Ilaa iyo 45 Isbaaro ayaa sida la xaqiijiyay waxay ku teedsan yihiin gudaha magaalada muqdisho,kuwaas oo inta badan Maamulaan Wasiiro iyo Xildhibaano ka tirsan Labada Gole ee Dowladda Federaalka soomaaliya. Wadada ka timaada dhanka Degmada Afgooye ayaa waxaa isbaarooyin u taala Wasiirka Howlaha Guud iyo Guriyeynta Cusmaan Xasan Cali (Caato),Wasiirka Arrimaha Gudaha iyo kuxigeenka Ra’iisal wasaaraha Xuseen Maxamed Caydiid. Wadada Wadnaha ayaa sidoo kale waxaa isbaaro u taala Wasiirka Arrimaha Gudaha iyo Wasiirka Amniga Qaranka Xuseen Caydiid iyo Maxamed Qanyare. Jidka ka yimaada Jowhar ilaa iyo Balcad soona gala gudaha magaalada muqdisho waxaa is baaro u tiila Wasiirka dhaqan celinta maleeshiyooyinka, bootaan Ciise Caalim, Wasiirka Ganacsiga Muuse Suudi iyo weliba Maxkamadaha Islaamiga. Xaafadaha Shibis,Boondheere, Shangaani, C/siis,Maana-booliyo ayaa waxaa isbaaro u taala maleeshiyooyin kala taageera Ganacsade Bashiir Raage iyo C/qaadir Beebe. Degmada Kaaran ilaa iyo 6 Isbaaro ayaa ku teedsan waxaana iska leh Wasiirka Ganacsiga Dowladda Federaalka Soomaaliya Xaaji Muuse Suudi Yalaxow. Xaafadaha Suuq Bacaad iyo Siinay ayaa yaala isbaarooyin ay dhigteen maleeshiye la sheegay inay ka amar qaatan Maxkamad halkaas ku taala. Isbaarooyinka yaala gudaha magaalada muqdisho ayaa ah kuwa lacag baad ah lagu qaato,dadweynaha ayaa dhib badan kala kulma,iyadoo ay saas tahay ayaa haddana hogaamiyayaasha Isbaarada u tiilay waxay ka mid yihiin dowladda federaalka soomaaliya. Nuuradin Macalin Mukhtaar (Dinow) nuradin007@hotmail.com

Puntland (Somalia) to introduce free primary schools - Thursday, April 07, 2005 at 15:20 afrol News, 6 April - In Puntland, an autonomous territory in north-eastern Somalia, primary school teachers are to receive their salaries by the local government, the region's President has announced. Puntland thus will become the first part of Somalia where the state takes on some responsibilities for primary education. In all of Somalia, primary education is currently paid for and organised by parents groups or by Muslim organisations. Traditionally, parents also have had to bear full responsibility for the payment of teachers. Puntland President Mohamud Muse Hirsi "Adde" this week however announced that the regional government was to inaugurate salary payments for primary school teachers. Puntland is a semi-autonomous state within Somalia. It has its own president, but unlike neighbouring Somaliland - which declared independence in 1991 - Puntland has always vowed to remain an integral part of Somalia. Some 200 teachers now stand to benefit from the move by the Puntland leader, according to the UN's Children's Fund (UNICEF). The President of Puntland also announced a massive drive to build more schools in Northeast Somalia during a speech he made in Bossaso, the regional capital, on Tuesday. According to UNICEF, this was the first time since the conclusion of Somalia's peace talks in 2004, that the Puntland leader has openly committed his administration to the goals of 'education for all' and to gender parity in access, retention and completion in basic education. The move follows consistent advocacy with the Puntland authorities to increase budgetary allocations to education and other social sectors as a means of encouraging sustainable development. The UN agency today praised the move by the Puntland leader. "The President's announcement marks a milestone in Somalia's education history and demonstrates a very real commitment by the administration," commented UNICEF's Siddharth Chatterjee. "The payment of teachers' salaries will free parents of a major financial burden and will remove a significant obstacle in getting all children, and especially girls, to access and complete their primary education," he added. The announcements made by President "Adde" came at a Bossaso ceremony to mark the formal launch of the UNICEF-supported Integrated Primary Education Programme. The programme aims to strengthen basic education in Somalia and Somaliland, "with special emphasis on fulfilling the education rights of girls and other vulnerable children," according to the UN agency. The programme was said to be a collaboration between UNICEF, the European Commission, the Puntland administration and local communities. Similar programmes were to be implemented in Somaliland and in central and southern Somalia, the UN agency announced today. In contrast to southern Somalia and Puntland, the self-declared republic of Somaliland has had a functional education system during the last years. The Somaliland government operates a number of primary and secondary schools and has even financed the establishment of several universities. School enrolment rates however remain too low, also in Somaliland. Source: Afrol

Abdullahi is on holiday? He is isolated? He is scared, he is this and that. 14 years of anarchy wont change overnight, police and millitery wont be ready in half a year. Plan, prepare then implement. Its the basic's of managing anything least of all a nation. However things have changed indeed, the warlords are stuck in Nairobi, Shari;s estimate is down from 155 MP's to 30. In Somaliland we have delayed elections, Jouranalist being imprisoned, the fisrt lady Mrs Riiyaale and the Gabilay hospital fund scandal and the police raiding "Mujahid" Siilanyo's party headquarters without a warrant [Democracy]. So much for isolation and despair..

^^^ Good news I agree, Cade has done wonders so far. The people in the dispora should start to invest in this project for educating our young is the key to future progress.

The above article perfectly illustrates the lies being propagated by the warlords and their media. They admit to the problem in Mogadishu although they blame the clan. Yet they want the government to move into Mogadishu as soon as possible, without addressing the problem at hand. For all the “Amxara†talk the peace above highlights the suffering and disillusionment even mouth pieces like Dayniile have with the status quo of the capital and its surroundings. However in a short space of time they go back to asking the usual nonsence,†why are Abdullahi and Geedi avoiding Mogadishu and what’s wrong with Mogadishu, do they hate the clan of Mogadishu? Typical

Hogaamiyaha Liibiya oo Cabdilahi Yusuf u balanqaaday inuu bixin doono dhaqaalaha uu ku qabanayo Somaliya.Warbixin dhab ah. Waagacusub.net 04.04.05 Nairobi Hogaamiyaha dalka Liibiya Mucaamar Al Qadaafi ayaa Cabdilahi Yusuf Axmed u balanqaaday inuu bixin doono dhaqaalaha ku baxaya qabashada Somaliya ee dhinaca Melleteriga. Heshiiskaas oo labada hogaamiye ku dhexmaray Caasimadda dalka Liibiya ee Tripoli ayaa qorshahiisa ahaa sidaan kadib markii khadka telefoonka uu go’aankaas uga qeybgalay Madaxweynaha Dalka Uganda Yuweri Musevini. In dhinaca qabashada dalka uu hormuud ka noqda Madaxweynaha Uganda islamarkaasna Ciidamadda Uganda ay soo galaan dalka Kenya kana gudbaan xaduudka Kenya iyo Somaliya si ay u qabtaan Magaaladda Baydhabo oo Cabdilahi Yusuf inbadan ku taamayay inay noqoto Caasimadiisa uu ka hago dowladda uu garabka ka hogaamiyo. Sidoo kale Ciidamadda Suudan ayuu amar ku bixiyay Musevini oo ah gudoomiyaha Igad inay qabtaan Magaaladda Jowhar islamarkaasna dowladdu ay guurta isla waqtigaas Ciidamadu galaan labadaas Magaalo. Qorshaha kaas xigaa wuxuu noqon doonaa sidii loo qaban lahaa Magaaladda Muqdisho iyadoo Ciidamadda Uganda soo aadi doonaan dhanka garoonka Beledoogle ilaa Afgooye halka Ciidamadda Sudan soo aadi doonaan dhankaa iyo Magaaladda Balcad. Dagaalkaan laba Afoodka ah ee lagu qabanayo Magaaladda Muqdisho ayuu Yuweri Museveni u adeegsan doonaa hadii iska caabin uu kala kulmo labadaas wado ee loo marayo qabashada Magaaladda Muqdisho inuu quwad Melleteri weeydiisto dowladda Itoobiya oo iyada ah raca labaad ee tagayo hadii loo baahdo ama si Emergency ah loogu yeerto sida ku cad heshiiskii IGAD. Warbixintaan oo ah mid dhab ah waxaan ka soo xiganay Wasiir ka mid ah wafdiga la socdo Ra’isulwasaare Geedi ee ku sugan Liibiya kaas oo dhawaan sheegay inuu qaadici doono qorshahaas isagga ah. Wasiirkaan oo ka mid ah Mas’uuliyiinta miisaanka culus ku leh siyaasada Somaliya waxaa uu Waagacusub.net ka codsaday in aan magaciisa la shaacin inta uu ka gaarayo qorshahiisa siyaasadeed ee uu uga hortagayo guud ahaan tilaabooyinkaas. Waagacusub News asoj@hotmail.com

Are the webmasters of Dayniile.com and their boss man, sponsors feeling the strain? Talk about confused, we don’t like the roadblocks but we love its owner. Habdhaqanka beelaha USC oo ka xun kan Itoobiyaanka . Muqdisho Beelaha USC oo ah kuwa baday maanta in ay sidaan noqota Soomaliya kadib markii ay ku habsadeen hanti waxii ay laheyd Soomaliya hadan aan ku dhargin wali sii baahan ayaa xiliwalba dacaayada ka dhigtay Axmaaro ayaa dalka qabsaneysa iyo hadalo daciif ah marka bal aan wax yar fiirino hab dhaqanka beelaha USCda oo ah waxaan lagu sifeyn karin qof bini´´aadan ah sababtoo ah qofka Bini´´aadanka ah mar uun buu wax kartaa lakiinse beelaha USCda ma ha kuwa raba in ay wax gartaan sababatoo ah mar waxey soo gashanayaan dhar culuma mar dhaqan Isbaaro marna dhaqan Ganacsato oo intaba aysan ku dhaqmeynin. Marka aad eegta dhaqanka Maxakamada Islaamka Muqdisho waxaa kugu soo dhacaaya may dadka bad badshaan oo culuma ahaan wax u qabtaan hadan mar arkeysid wax ay qabanyaan sababtoo dadka dhibka ku haaya Soomaliya ama Muqdisho waa kuwa ay ka soo jeedaan heeb ahaan kuwa umada nafta u keenay hadan waxba kama qabtaan iskabadaa in ay wax qabtanee Isbarada ay ku siisaidiyeen dadka Muqdisho wana dhib aan loo heynin xal hadal muslin leh dhaqan muslina aan lagu arkeynin .. Qofka Muslinka markuu yaaba waxuu u cararaa waa Islaamka ama culumada hadaba hadii aanba laga heleynin hab dhaqan suuban beelaha USCda ayaa loo cararayaa miyeena keeneynin in naf laga raadiya Itoobiyaanka maxaa yeelay qof haduu ku rafadinya ama uusan arxan kuu sameyneynin iskuma kaa dhama Soomali iyo Itoobiyaan mid kuu yahay. Is ku soo wada dooba waxaa iska cad maanta in loo hiiliyey beelaha USC ayagoo maqaalin ugu jira Axmaaro laga fakiyey markii laga bad badiyeyna la soo istaagay in ay wali u sii dhigtaan isbaaro shacabkii Soomaliyeed ee u hiiliyey hadaba yaa u kala gar qaadi doona Axmaarka raba in ay liqda beelaha USC iyo Xildhibanadii rabay in ay bad badiyaan, masa ahaan doonaan beelaha USC kuwa og abaalka ay u galeen xildhibaanda Soomaliyeed . webmaster@dayniile.com

Comprehension of simple models seem to difficult for you. Let me try and break even further. The Somali government structure allows for Geedi to sack which ever minister in the cabinet who does not toe the line. The argument of the “will of the people†is neither here nor there as this government has more of a mandate than any before it with the exception of the 1960-69 civil administrations. The point is still simple the elected President and the PM have the major say in the direction which the government takes. The speaker only referees the parliament, the minister have responsibility for their specific departments, like it or not this is the fact of the matter. I hope you are not buckling under the weight of disappointment. One minute you hate the “warlord†government the next you are cheering for Inda Cade, quoting Suudi and Qaynyare. On one occasion they [warlords] were a bunch of pathetic women, now they are powerful all conquering hero’s who will save the clan. Yesterday you hated the parliament and intended to boycott its decision, now you love Sharif Xasan. You seem lost in all of this, no clear position just a man deluding himself. Terms like “Pukeland†further reveal the depth of your ignorance to the new reality and the emerging nation.

Again people are having dialogue with themselves. You need to know what a leader is, what position of power is and how decisions are made in any organisation. Geedi is the Prime Minister the head of the executive branch and thus all decisions made must go through his good person, all other ministers are in a subordinate position. They have less say in decision nothing unorthodox or unusual about this it’s the way government’s around the world function. Somalia is no exception, by accepting a position and swearing the oath the former warlords have put themselves at the whims of the PM, he appointed them if they don’t respect the agreements, become rebellious and go against the decisions of the cabinet as e majority and passed then they risk being sacked. One needs only look at the UK for an example of decision making in a parliamentary democracy. While fashionable objections are made on behalf of warlords, I don’t buy it for a moment that the warlord’s have anything to offer other than recycling bankrupt ideas about the dominance of clans. Personalising the issue further only highlights their weakness and desperation, first it was Yusuf, then Geedi now the cabinet and any minister who goes against the fascist rhetoric is condemned, lambasted and accused of clan treachery. Yet while Juma excuses the 14 year record, the failure to negotiate, to compromise, the killing’s, looting. Now we have a chance a government that is addressing the core issue of security and demobilisation of the militias and the opening up of the country to the people. Those who want to hold us in limbo forever argue as ever for the clan, the very name they shamed. They talk of war instead of peace, and division instead of the common unity of us all. After the darkness there shall be the light and our long night insha Allah is coming to an end.

macalimuu, some good points made indeed. The PM and President and cabinet are all in tune, there are a few ex warlords who either will change their mind or be sacked from the cabinet, remember no one can sack an MP but ministers must support the decesions agreed upon even if its not to their liking. Government must move to Jowhar and Badoa and send a team ministers and law makers to Mogadishu to work on bringing about a tangible change of security. All money and resource must be channeled to the creation of the new army and security forces made up of all Somali clans and under the control of the government to bring to order in every corner of the country. Then the real job of reconstruction can start..

Don't corner somethin' that you know is meaner than you Great thread once again by Mr Bashi, keep them coming old man

Torture case Britons free to sue Saudis Ruling ends immunity in civil courts for all overseas abusers David Pallister Friday October 29, 2004 The Guardian Torturers in foreign countries can be sued for damages in the English courts, the court of appeal said yesterday in a judgment hailed by civil rights lawyers as a historic victory. Four Britons who claim they were tortured in Saudi Arabia were given the right to pursue their cases against named Saudi officials. But the court ruled that the state of Saudi Arabia had immunity from civil proceedings. Geoffrey Bindman, the lawyer for three of the men, called it "a tremendous judgment". It was "the civil equivalent to the Pinochet case", he said, referring to the former Chilean dictator whom the courts ruled could be prosecuted for torture. He added: "Torturers can now be brought before civil and the criminal courts. The impact will be felt worldwide." The case, before the Master of the Rolls, Lord Phillips, sitting with Lord Justice Mance and Lord Justice Neuberger, involved two separate appeals. Ron Jones, an accountant, was kept in a Saudi detention centre for 67 days in 2001. He claims he was seized from his bed in hospital, where he was recovering from a bomb blast, and tortured into saying he planted the device. He said Lieutenant Colonel Abdul Aziz was the torturer. The others, Sandy Mitchell, Les Walker, and Bill Sampson, a British-Canadian, were arrested over bomb attacks at the end of 2000, which, the Saudis claimed, were part of a turf war of western alcohol dealers. The men say they were tortured into making confessions which were then broadcast on Saudi television. Mr Mitchell and Mr Sampson were sentenced to death but released last year. Besides trying to sue the policemen Major Ibrahim al-Dali and Lieutenant Khalid al-Saleh, they also named Colonel Mohamed al-Said, a jail governor and Prince Naif, the Saudi interior minister. After the hearing Mr Jones said: "I am delighted with the ruling. I think that their lordships have made a monumental judgment. It's a magnificent step forward for [dealing with] human rights abusers." Mr Mitchell said: "Obviously I'm pleased, not so much for the sake of ourselves but any other torture victims which Saudi Arabia might produce. It's a step in the right direction that they can't hide behind international law." At a press conference Mr Sampson said: "This is a day I have dreamt about. For nearly four years, from the day they first began to abuse me, I have fought for this." He said he condemned the British government for its lack of support in pursuing their claims. At the heart of the case was the compatibility of English law and the European convention on human rights, article six of which gives everyone legal redress before the courts. Last July, Mr Jones's £2m claim against the Saudi government was struck out under the State Immunity Act 1978. The same ruling was applied to the other three men who wanted to proceed only against named individuals. But the court of appeal judges ruled that it could "no longer be appropriate to give blanket effect to a foreign state's claim to state immunity ... in respect of a state official alleged to have committed acts of systematic torture". The three judges dismissed Mr Jones's claim against the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia but allowed the appeals of all four against the refusal to proceed against the individuals. The case is now likely to go to the Lords.

The British accused and charged win appeal to win compensation from the Saudi's Appeal win for Saudi jail Britons the man sentenced to death smiling outside the crown court- justice? Mr Jones said he was delighted by the ruling Four Britons who say they were tortured in Saudi jails have won their appeal against a High Court ruling that they could not claim damages in the UK. A Saudi request for Ron Jones's damages claim to be struck out on the grounds of state immunity was granted in 2003. Three other men accused over a bombing campaign were also told English courts had no jurisdiction over Saudi Arabia. The Court of Appeal ruling could mean they can sue individuals but not the government, which denies the claims. Mr Jones, from Crawley in West Sussex, said he was delighted with the ruling which he described as "monumental" and added that he would decide on his next move next week. "It's taken me three years to get here. This is another step, another hurdle and we will fight on," said Mr Jones, who is orginally from Hamilton, in Lanarkshire. Mr Mitchell and Mr Sampson had faced the threat of public beheading A Briton and an American were killed in the bombing campaign in 2000, which the Saudi government blames on a "turf war" connected to expat alcohol dealers. Others believed it was the work of Islamic militants. Sandy Mitchell, from Glasgow, and British-Canadian Bill Sampson, from Penrith, faced the threat of public beheading and Mr Jones said he was drugged and beaten during his 67-day detention in 2001. Along with Les Walker, from Merseyside, they have been trying to clear their names since arriving back in the UK after being granted "royal clemency". Mr Jones said his injuries meant he was unable to work and last year sought £2.1m compensation at the High Court. No jurisdiction But High Court official Master Whitaker "struck out" the claim on the grounds of state immunity and later made the same ruling against the other three men. While expressing his "greatest sympathy" for Mr Jones, Master Whitaker said the current state of law on immunity deprived him and the English courts of jurisdiction over the Saudi government in the case. But on Thursday, three Court of Appeal judges ruled that the four men's cases be sent back to Master Whitaker for further argument. It's a step in the right direction that they can't hide behind international law. The law applies to everyone Sandy Mitchell Lord Justice Mance said the courts should consider the evidence and "all relevant factors" at the same time as considering jurisdictional issues. He said a foreign state cannot have any "absolute right to claim immunity in respect of civil claims against its officials for systematic torture, even committed outside the country" where the claim was filed. But he said he did not think the ruling would mean England would become a "forum of choice" for torture claims across the world. Solicitor Geoffrey Bindman said his clients had been subjected to torture while accused of a murder they did not commit. He said: "So far, the Saudi government has not accepted responsibility for the actions of their officials. It must now do so." Mr Mitchell added:"It's a step in the right direction that they can't hide behind international law. The law applies to everyone."

one of the men being shown in Saudi TV confessing to his crime... It centred on a bombing campaign in which several Westerners died and which the Saudi authorities alleged was the result of a feud between rival gangs dealing in illicit alcohol. But the families and even some of the victims, said that the facts did not add up and that Saudi Arabia had been using the men as scapegoats to explain away terror attacks on foreign nationals. Sandy Mitchel was sentanced to death [ was his head choped of?] On 4 February 2001 three men appeared on Saudi television confessing to their part in the bombing campaign. Alexander 'Sandy' Mitchell, an anaesthetic technician from Kirkintilloch, near Glasgow, William Sampson, a marketing consultant from Canada but who has British citizenship, and Belgian doctor Ralf Schyvens did not explain the motive for the attacks and looked nervous. On 17 May 2001 Saudi Arabia's Deputy Interior Minister Prince Ahmed al-Saud told the Al-Okaz newspaper the government knew who was behind the bombings. He said the attacks were linked to "individuals involved in illegal activities" but he refused to name them. On 13 August 2001 three more British men appeared on Saudi television confessing to a role in the attacks.

The Somali’s for what ever reason got their head chopped of, the long arm of the law indeed reaches those who commit crimes under “Shariah†or Saudi law in the land of the two Mosques criminals get punished right? Here is another side to the law of the just Saudi Arabians... Time line of the British Story

Saudi Arabia is a weak, decedent, corrupt and cruel country. However all this ranting and raving is not getting us any where. We all know what the Gulf Arab;s are, we all have heard the stories that are brought from those nations. Yet is this about the six poor fellows who were executed? How is this helping them? I will defend OG-Girl, just this once. The sister is born and bred in the Gulf , she only knows of a Somalia which is destroyed and of a people who are the laughing stock of the world. Many of her generation have no recollection of our past, and have no memory of the “good old days†when as a nation we had something resembling normality. They associate Somalia with anarchy, hopelessness and despair. A land of famine, full of refugee camps, children dependent on UN nation rations. Somali’s are pictured as maids, hoodlums, petty criminal and marauding thugs. I am saddened by this news for it means even in the holly land we get no respite from this curse. May Allah forgive them and our transgression.

^^^^^Its getting silly now people... Stop insults and petty generalisation.. Mogadishu the capital in my memory alwasys wonderful the people there my family. Hiiraan is magic, Somaliland, Djabouti and Puntland my beloved, Bay & Bakool, Gedo and Galgaduud. How can I forget the Shabbele river and the land that takes its name, the Indian Ocean and the gulf of Aden, the red plains of Mudug and Toghdeer. Berbera and Bossaso, Burco and Beledweyne. Oh what land..... I wish inside we was as beautiful as that land..

^^^^ My bad sis, you got me lol

Horn, lol now you getting real paranoid, the Siyad Barre regime did what it did, however my point is exactly that we both suffered at the hands of the regime which included members of both states. Siyad is long gone stop trying to defend his actions bro, you had nothing to with it. SKY, you are right in that, President Yusuf and the late Egal had a very good understanding of each other and I have heard of that proposal. Juma, learning a new lesson everyday, SOL I belive will have a posative all round impact on your undertsanding of the real Somalia, whcih is bigger than Bur-hindi 2 , Puntland, Somaliland, federalism, power sharing, law and order. Now where else could you find such readily available knowledge..

^^^ SKY, the truth is a wepon. PUNTLAND & SOMALILAND have more in common they do with the JVA, Inda Cade or the fake clan courts, remember that. Anyhow you have nothing to prove nor will you change the mind of our sister Rahima and brother Horn, for their position is clear..

Counterflows, confidence, well thats me bro. As for Geedi and Yusuf its the opposition who need help. Take my words for it its over bro. Rahima I did not get at all, SG, Somaliland have nothing to do with todays problems, the south is the problem. Somaliland is stabel and negotiations will be the only method with that entity. As for SG/O.G.A.DEN or Zone 5 OR the Somali state, only good relations with Adis Can ensure that the people there get their fair share within the Federation of Ethiopia. Daydreams and hot air will not Suffice. Juma, you boys got a hell of a beating, I hear Sharif is taking a number of steps back, must have realised that the XAMAR boys aint so big..

Let me add a few things here. If we are talking about the people of Somaliland, they are wonderful, beautiful, proud, courageous ,courteous and above all noble. They are my people, my friends, my allies an everything else. Their achievements have been phenomenal and they should rightly be proud of, for they overcame great odds and started from scratch. Their community in the Diaspora, notably in the UK has worked hard to help their people back home, and must be highly praised for their tireless endeavour. We should not dwell much on the divisive issues but on what unites us, yes Puntland and Somaliland have an issue over SOOL and are rivals in the thater of fake dreams that is Somali politics. Yet we are similar in our determination to address our local needs and take care of ourselves, thus the federal and secessionist camps are very similar and in the same boat in their focus on self determination. The two states suffered at the hands of the former regime of Barre and lost much wealth and influence in the south, remember many North Westerners invested heavily in Mogadishu and reaped nothing. I have an issue with the secessionist and their propaganda, with Riyaale and Warrabe and others, however do not mistake this for hatred towards my people. I belive the two states must look at their interest must develop a cordial relationship build on not just surviving but for both to thrive.